ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[Baddy Chuck]

Who? Derozan, McCollum, and Beal? Two of three of those players' teams went further than the Buck in the playoffs with these players as second fiddles (what Middleton is supposed to be).

Ahh **** and John Wall, Damian Lillard and Kyle Lowry all led teams to playoff series wins as the main guy, Giannis must be worse than them. Cool reasoning I guess.

Conveniently leaving out the part where I mentioned that they statistically played better than Middleton ever has. Whatever advances your argument, though!!!

Statistically in PPGz, sure. 15-16 Midds looks like Prime Jordan defensively compared to Beal/DeRozan/McCollum while only being a notch below offensively.

[paulpressey25]

Woj bomb. Cleveland and Boston agree on trade. Details to come.

[kid idioteque]

A lot of drama over a second round pick...

[MidnightBuck]

Ahh **** and John Wall, Damian Lillard and Kyle Lowry all led teams to playoff series wins as the main guy, Giannis must be worse than them. Cool reasoning I guess.

Conveniently leaving out the part where I mentioned that they statistically played better than Middleton ever has. Whatever advances your argument, though!!!

Statistically in PPGz, sure. 15-16 Midds looks like Prime Jordan defensively compared to Beal/DeRozan/McCollum while only being a notch below offensively.

Are you a troll account?

Did you even watch the Bucks-Raptors series?

You can't honestly tell me Middleton wasn't a top 3 reason why we blew a 2-1 lead.

[Buck Dweller]

Who? Derozan, McCollum, and Beal? Two of three of those players' teams went further than the Buck in the playoffs with these players as second fiddles (what Middleton is supposed to be). All while putting up better stats than Middleton has ever put up in his entire career.

I know this wasn't the point of your post, but everyone saying they don't want to do Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie has a serious case of the ENDOWMENT EFFECT!

Again we haven't had a 100 % Middleton going into the playoffs yet. He came back early last season and didn't seem to be ready conditioning wise. Also Derozan is a bad shooter and defender, McCollum is a up comer scorer but again defense, and Beal has always had health problems. Box score stats don't tell everything just as advanced stats don't. But besides hating Kyrie the player and person the sticking point to me is Brogdon. I want to see what he can do after a full season starting. I think with more experience he will add small changes that added up will make him a all star. BBIQ is important for players we surround Giannis with and Brogdon has that in spades. Also are offense makes Khris so much less effective than he could be. In a ball movement screen oriented offense he would put up much better stats.

I'm not sure if you watched the Toronto series last year, but if you did you would have noticed that this team is a half-court offense away from being in the Finals (or AT LEAST Eastern Conference Finals). Kyrie instantly gives you that half-court offense. No one is arguing that Middleton and Brogdon are solid players and could grow to be exceptional players.

Giannis is a fantastic player, but his game has weaknesses. It just so happens that Giannis' weaknesses are Kyrie's strengths. This trade makes too much sense, and I don't know what some of you have in mind for improving the team. There is going to come a point where the Bucks need to make a move to push themselves over the metaphorical edge, and this could be it. Resigning Snell and drafting 2nd rounders that turn out to be a lot more solid than previously thought (unfortunately weakest ROY in a long time) are not the way to do that. This team is not going to be young forever.

The fact of the matter is that Kyrie gives the Bucks, now, what they need to compete at the highest level. You don't just get that for free.

we can improve our offense without having to pay an arm and a leg by firing kidd and bringing in someone who knows how to run an offense that's not "find a mismatch and iso it".

[blazza18]

I get the attraction to Kryie but honestly he just isn't that good. He was a loser before Lebron and has always been a net negative when given the keys to the offense. Also I can't believe the whole flat earth thing isn't bigger talking point. This guy is just flat out incredibly unintelligent and seems like a big mouth toxic presence. I really want to see what Brogdon and Thon do this year before sending them off. I especially think Brogdon can improve quiet a bit and becoming a borderline all star guy. If he can tighten his handles and improve his finishing ability he could be Billups 2.0. To me he is the biggest sticking point. I really think people are selling him short due to his age.

Not really sure why him being on a bad team post Lebron means anything. Or him being on a team clearly designed to maximise Lebron. Or him thinking the earth is flat. And where is the big mouth toxic thing coming from or are you just making **** up?

Brogdon could be Billups 2.0. Why can't Kyrie be even better than he's shown?

[MidnightBuck]

Woj bomb. Cleveland and Boston agree on trade. Details to come.

Thank you, I can stop defending the Bucks offer. Just sad Midds and Brogdon had to go through this though, genuinely.

[BuckHole]

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[Baddy Chuck]

Did you even watch the Bucks-Raptors series?

Yes I watched a 6 game series that doesn't change my mind over a seasons worth of play previously. Just like I don't look at that series and say that Kyle Lowry is a terrible player.

[blazza18]

Wonder what Midds/Brogdog could actually get us if made available...

[jakecronus8]

I'm on the horn trying to get that Brooklyn pick. Damn you Jabari's knees!!

[Rainwater]

That's not true.

How is this not true? All these players have either lead their teams or just out played Middleton in the playoffs. Yes, injury is a valid excuse but I just don't understand how you can watch a game and tell me that they are not better.

15-16 Middleton was better than any season from those three. Maybe he never returns to that after the injury, maybe a 6 game playoff sample size erases that entire season in your mind but nah, I ain't buying that.

If Jabari comes healthy, I don't think we see that Middleton again. 15-16 Middleton was arguably the best player during a time where the bucks were terrible and Giannis and Jabari were still developing.

[Baddy Chuck]

If Jabari comes healthy, I don't think we see that Middleton again. Arguably the best player during a time where the bucks were terrible and Giannis and Jabari were still developing.

Middleton was that guy with a healthy Jabari already though.....

[thonnisbeastley]

11/12: 21-45
12/13: 24-58
13/14: 33-49
+Lebron
14/15: 53-29

Haha you're joking! You're one of those "Kyrie wasn't good before Lebron" truthers?? This is too good.

Go take a look at Giannis' teams' records in his first 2 years in the league.

Nah, I'm not one of those people. Point is he's not a #1 over Giannis and I'm not trading two young, team first intelligent players that fit around Giannis and will be more important to our future success than 2 years of Kyrie. Kyrie will kill Giannis' enthusiasm for Milwaukee and both will be gone when their contracts are over. Nothing says you're our guy like trading away two of your best friends on the team for a shoot first PG who has demanded a trade from a team thats made 3 straight finals because he thinks he's more important than Lebron James and wants to be the man while shooting 30 times a game. Especially when you took millions of dollars less than you could have in order to help the team build a championship around you.

Could Kyrie and Giannis work? Possibly..Or it could be a more toxic version of Westbrook and Durant with far less success.

[pifhluk23]

Wonder what Midds/Brogdog could actually get us if made available...

A slightly less talented or slightly more disgruntled Irving.

[MidnightBuck]

Wonder what Midds/Brogdog could actually get us if made available...

Kyrie is the ceiling on this one, and I don't know if Cavs would have even gone through with it.

This is a unique situation in that Cleveland had to get rid of Kyrie by whatever means possible. I'm of the train of thought that this deal would have been heavily skewed in the Bucks favor.

Whether Kyrie would have resigned or not, that's another question entirely.

[Hiver45]

Brogdon/Midds/Giannis/Jabari/Thon. That's a heck of a young starting 5 to get behind in my opinion. Id rather give them every chance possible to be successful.

[Chapter29]

Good to see that deal finalized.

[Buck Dweller]

3 years later and even our own fans are still disrespecting middleton, apparently.

[chonestown]

Hayward and Kyrie. Name a more iconic duo.