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[Rainwater]

If Jabari comes healthy, I don't think we see that Middleton again. Arguably the best player during a time where the bucks were terrible and Giannis and Jabari were still developing.

Middleton was that guy with a healthy Jabari already though.....

I really don't believe when Giannis and Parker hit their peak potential that khris can maintain those numbers. Its a little easier to increase your stats when the talent is not at its peak or not quite there.

[raferfenix]

Relieved.

[MidnightBuck]

11/12: 21-45
12/13: 24-58
13/14: 33-49
+Lebron
14/15: 53-29

Haha you're joking! You're one of those "Kyrie wasn't good before Lebron" truthers?? This is too good.

Go take a look at Giannis' teams' records in his first 2 years in the league.

Nah, I'm not one of those people. Point is he's not a #1 over Giannis and I'm not trading two young, team first intelligent players that fit around Giannis and will be more important to our future success than 2 years of Kyrie. Kyrie will kill Giannis' enthusiasm for Milwaukee and both will be gone when their contracts are over. Nothing says you're our guy like trading away two of your best friends on the team for a shoot first PG who has demanded a trade from a team thats made 3 straight finals because he thinks he's more important than Lebron James and wants to be the man while shooting 30 times a game. Especially when you took millions of dollars less than you could have in order to help the team build a championship around you.

Could Kyrie and Giannis work? Possibly..Or it could be a more toxic version of Westbrook and Durant with far less success.

The difference is Durant could shoot, Giannis can't. We need an instant-offense point guard. Kyrie shooting 30 times a game will be him taking away all of Giannis' low percentage perimeter looks and leaving him with what he does best - scoring in transition and making unbelievable plays on mismatches.

Giannis can be a league MVP on 15-20 shots per game because the rest of his game is so unprecedentedly complete.

It's over now, but the fit was an absolute no brainer.

Personality-wise, I don't know anything about it. I suppose I'm just hoping for the best there.

[Baddy Chuck]

If Jabari comes healthy, I don't think we see that Middleton again. Arguably the best player during a time where the bucks were terrible and Giannis and Jabari were still developing.

Middleton was that guy with a healthy Jabari already though.....

I really don't believe when Giannis and Parker hit their peak potential that khris can maintain those numbers. Its a little easier to increase your stats when the talent is not at its peak.

But guys like Beal and McCollum would? Ok I guess. But anyways, that just goes back to the "Midds has never shown the promise" and changing it to "I don't think Midds could replicate the promise he showed" which I guess is a step towards a logical argument.

[Max Green]

Disappointed.

We've could've taken the next step if we were able to trade for Kyrie.

[Buck Dweller]

Haha you're joking! You're one of those "Kyrie wasn't good before Lebron" truthers?? This is too good.

Go take a look at Giannis' teams' records in his first 2 years in the league.

Nah, I'm not one of those people. Point is he's not a #1 over Giannis and I'm not trading two young, team first intelligent players that fit around Giannis and will be more important to our future success than 2 years of Kyrie. Kyrie will kill Giannis' enthusiasm for Milwaukee and both will be gone when their contracts are over. Nothing says you're our guy like trading away two of your best friends on the team for a shoot first PG who has demanded a trade from a team thats made 3 straight finals because he thinks he's more important than Lebron James and wants to be the man while shooting 30 times a game. Especially when you took millions of dollars less than you could have in order to help the team build a championship around you.

Could Kyrie and Giannis work? Possibly..Or it could be a more toxic version of Westbrook and Durant with far less success.

The difference is Durant could shoot, Giannis can't. We need an instant-offense point guard. Kyrie shooting 30 times a game will be him taking away all of Giannis' low percentage perimeter looks and leaving him with what he does best - scoring in transition and making unbelievable plays on mismatches.

Giannis can be a league MVP on 15-20 shots per game because the rest of his game is so unprecedentedly complete.

It's over now, but the fit was an absolute no brainer.

Personality-wise, I don't know anything about it. I suppose I'm just hoping for the best there.

we need an instant offense point guard. okay, we can agree on that. but we don't need to give up practically our entire team outside of giannis to get one of those.

[Rainwater]

Middleton was that guy with a healthy Jabari already though.....

I really don't believe when Giannis and Parker hit their peak potential that khris can maintain those numbers. Its a little easier to increase your stats when the talent is not at its peak.

But guys like Beal and McCollum would? Ok I guess. But anyways, that just goes back to the "Midds has never shown the promise" and changing it to "I don't think Midds could replicate the promise he showed" which I guess is a step towards a logical argument.

If a peak Beal or McCollum were on the Bucks they would be fighting a healthy Parker for Second fiddle. I don't think Middleton does that. He is a 3rd option to to me until he has a break out year.

[Baddy Chuck]

I really don't believe when Giannis and Parker hit their peak potential that khris can maintain those numbers. Its a little easier to increase your stats when the talent is not at its peak.

But guys like Beal and McCollum would? Ok I guess. But anyways, that just goes back to the "Midds has never shown the promise" and changing it to "I don't think Midds could replicate the promise he showed" which I guess is a step towards a logical argument.

If a peak Beal or McCollum were on the Bucks they would be fighting a healthy Parker for Second fiddle. I don't think Middleton does that. He is a 3rd option to to me until he has a break out year.

15-16 Midds was a better player than 16-17 McCollum or Beal.

[MidnightBuck]

Nah, I'm not one of those people. Point is he's not a #1 over Giannis and I'm not trading two young, team first intelligent players that fit around Giannis and will be more important to our future success than 2 years of Kyrie. Kyrie will kill Giannis' enthusiasm for Milwaukee and both will be gone when their contracts are over. Nothing says you're our guy like trading away two of your best friends on the team for a shoot first PG who has demanded a trade from a team thats made 3 straight finals because he thinks he's more important than Lebron James and wants to be the man while shooting 30 times a game. Especially when you took millions of dollars less than you could have in order to help the team build a championship around you.

Could Kyrie and Giannis work? Possibly..Or it could be a more toxic version of Westbrook and Durant with far less success.

The difference is Durant could shoot, Giannis can't. We need an instant-offense point guard. Kyrie shooting 30 times a game will be him taking away all of Giannis' low percentage perimeter looks and leaving him with what he does best - scoring in transition and making unbelievable plays on mismatches.

Giannis can be a league MVP on 15-20 shots per game because the rest of his game is so unprecedentedly complete.

It's over now, but the fit was an absolute no brainer.

Personality-wise, I don't know anything about it. I suppose I'm just hoping for the best there.

we need an instant offense point guard. okay, we can agree on that. but we don't need to give up practically our entire team outside of giannis to get one of those.

Snell slides in where Middleton was (decent downgrade as of now), and Kyrie slides in where Brogdon was (massive upgrade).

We lose a bit of depth that can be regained through FA once some of these contracts come off the books.

I'd hardly say we're mortgaging our whole team....

[Rainwater]

Middleton was that guy with a healthy Jabari already though.....

I really don't believe when Giannis and Parker hit their peak potential that khris can maintain those numbers. Its a little easier to increase your stats when the talent is not at its peak.

But guys like Beal and McCollum would? Ok I guess. But anyways, that just goes back to the "Midds has never shown the promise" and changing it to "I don't think Midds could replicate the promise he showed" which I guess is a step towards a logical argument.

Nice try, 15-16 Middleton was your sign of promise not mine. I never mentioned "promise" when it came to 15-16 Middleton. That was inferred/assumed by you when I said i don't think he ever gets to that point again with a healthy Parker at his peak. That season was nothing remarkable to me.

[Rainwater]

But guys like Beal and McCollum would? Ok I guess. But anyways, that just goes back to the "Midds has never shown the promise" and changing it to "I don't think Midds could replicate the promise he showed" which I guess is a step towards a logical argument.

If a peak Beal or McCollum were on the Bucks they would be fighting a healthy Parker for Second fiddle. I don't think Middleton does that. He is a 3rd option to to me until he has a break out year.

15-16 Midds was a better player than 16-17 McCollum or Beal.

Again, that is your opinion not mine.

[BucksFanSD]

Hopefully Middleton and Brogdon have an awesome year with Middleton becoming an all star and a household name with all the national TV games we have.

[Pachinko_]

The difference is Durant could shoot, Giannis can't. We need an instant-offense point guard. Kyrie shooting 30 times a game will be him taking away all of Giannis' low percentage perimeter looks and leaving him with what he does best - scoring in transition and making unbelievable plays on mismatches.

i mean sure this is a valid and tested way to play bsketball, but it's not the only way.

Our offense is simple but it's actually quite efficient, almost fail-proof: start by giving the ball to Giannis, see if he can find a lane to attack the basket, if he can't he drives anyway to force the double team and then kicks to the open player, who gets an open 3 or attacks the closeout. Or maybe does a dribble hand off to Snell, or some other simple play. These things work 50-60% of the time because we have just the right players for it. If this fails, the remaining 40% of the time you just give the ball to Khris who mostly comes up with something good, and if that fails too you bring some instant offense off the bench, usually Monroe or sometimes Beasley.

The reason this fell through against Toronto was because Khris was gassed after missing most of his training camp and half the season, Thon was still too raw, Beasley kind of disappeared after his injury and our D still needed finetuning. All these things are getting slowly better. Give it one year, just one.

[midranger]

Hayward and Kyrie. Name a more iconic duo.

[chonestown]

I'm just a fan of spirited discussion more than anything else!

[jakecronus8]

Bucks fans right now

[Prez]

Disappointed.

We've could've taken the next step if we were able to trade for Kyrie.

We're going to take the next step with or without Kyrie. We're going to be really good this year.

[chonestown]

Hayward and Kyrie. Name a more iconic duo.

I'll have to agree on this one. Bacardi outdoes Haircut Hayward on the follicles and Coke's slightly knees-bent stance and icy visage show a commitment to defense unfathomable to Kyrie.

Also: Brad Stevens is far too youthful to fulfill the grizzled "I'm too old for this isht" police sergeant the C's sorely need to keep their unruly young charges in line.

[Buck Dweller]

The difference is Durant could shoot, Giannis can't. We need an instant-offense point guard. Kyrie shooting 30 times a game will be him taking away all of Giannis' low percentage perimeter looks and leaving him with what he does best - scoring in transition and making unbelievable plays on mismatches.

Giannis can be a league MVP on 15-20 shots per game because the rest of his game is so unprecedentedly complete.

It's over now, but the fit was an absolute no brainer.

Personality-wise, I don't know anything about it. I suppose I'm just hoping for the best there.

we need an instant offense point guard. okay, we can agree on that. but we don't need to give up practically our entire team outside of giannis to get one of those.

Snell slides in where Middleton was (decent downgrade as of now), and Kyrie slides in where Brogdon was (massive upgrade).

We lose a bit of depth that can be regained through FA once some of these contracts come off the books.

I'd hardly say we're mortgaging our whole team....

1. even when snell shot his outlier 40% from three this year, he was still significantly worse than middleton. midds brings the whole package (3, D, distributing, scoring, commanding the defense), snell is nothing without the 3. big drop off there, not a decent downgrade.

2. our defense falls off a cliff which you're not accounting for

3. regarding regaining depth through FA - we all know how that's worked out for the Bucks the past 2 decades

[MikeIsGood]

Bucks fans right now

Yes. Large bullet with teeth = dodged.