Fantasy Trade Thread

[smittybanton]

I think Denver and Portland are locks for the playoffs, with LAC, NO & UTAH fighting for the last spot. Giving up on '17 (frank jackson) and 2018 1st at a chance for the eighth seed seems like a lot. Are they over the luxury tax threshold? I've not heard that they are expected to deal their first. Would love to have it.

As for Covington, we don't need cap space to re-sign our own players. We have their Bird Rights. It's up to Josh to decide whether he wants to spend for a winner. Maximizing our space requires signing young free agents to grow with, then going over the cap to re-sign our draft picks. Not what BC has been doing. That's Josh Harris. But I digress.

Covington is eligible in November for a renegotiation and extension. Meaning you can use existing cap space to bump his salary this year, and then you can lower his salary by 40% the 2nd year, then 7.5% the 3rd and 4th years; i.e. dump Jah for nothing, then give Cov a raise to 20M this year, then drop him to 14M next year, then 13.5M, then 13M. Which works out to a 4-59.5 extension,and helps with cap room going forward.

As far as the West goes; to me Portland is almost certainly out of the playoffs, and so is Denver, unless their defenses both improve drastically. Memphis depends on what contributions Chandler Parsons gives them, and Parsons is less reliable than Embiid. So I see New Orleans as in, and trying to get as high as the 6th seed. Plus their owner is very old and wants to win now. Combine all of that and IMO they are motivated to push their chips in and try for that 1st round upset of San Antonio.

But why use existing cap space, when you can use that for a free agent, and use Covington's Bird rights to go over the cap?

Interesting take on Portland, Denver and New Orleans. Let's see!

[the_process]

I think Denver and Portland are locks for the playoffs, with LAC, NO & UTAH fighting for the last spot. Giving up on '17 (frank jackson) and 2018 1st at a chance for the eighth seed seems like a lot. Are they over the luxury tax threshold? I've not heard that they are expected to deal their first. Would love to have it.

As for Covington, we don't need cap space to re-sign our own players. We have their Bird Rights. It's up to Josh to decide whether he wants to spend for a winner. Maximizing our space requires signing young free agents to grow with, then going over the cap to re-sign our draft picks. Not what BC has been doing. That's Josh Harris. But I digress.

Covington is eligible in November for a renegotiation and extension. Meaning you can use existing cap space to bump his salary this year, and then you can lower his salary by 40% the 2nd year, then 7.5% the 3rd and 4th years; i.e. dump Jah for nothing, then give Cov a raise to 20M this year, then drop him to 14M next year, then 13.5M, then 13M. Which works out to a 4-59.5 extension, and helps with cap room going forward.

As far as the West goes; to me Portland is almost certainly out of the playoffs, and so is Denver, unless their defenses both improve drastically. Memphis depends on what contributions Chandler Parsons gives them, and Parsons is less reliable than Embiid. So I see New Orleans as in, and trying to get as high as the 6th seed. Plus their owner is very old and wants to win now. Combine all of that and IMO they are motivated to push their chips in and try for that 1st round upset of San Antonio.

But why use existing cap space, when you can use that for a free agent, and use Covington's Bird rights to go over the cap?

Interesting take on Portland, Denver and New Orleans. Let's see!

Because then you don't get the chance to drastically lower Covington's salary in future years. You can only raise or lower his salary by the 7.5%. So they could wait and do a straight 4-60, or they can finagle it and save some cap for future years.

[smittybanton]

Covington is eligible in November for a renegotiation and extension. Meaning you can use existing cap space to bump his salary this year, and then you can lower his salary by 40% the 2nd year, then 7.5% the 3rd and 4th years; i.e. dump Jah for nothing, then give Cov a raise to 20M this year, then drop him to 14M next year, then 13.5M, then 13M. Which works out to a 4-59.5 extension, and helps with cap room going forward.

As far as the West goes; to me Portland is almost certainly out of the playoffs, and so is Denver, unless their defenses both improve drastically. Memphis depends on what contributions Chandler Parsons gives them, and Parsons is less reliable than Embiid. So I see New Orleans as in, and trying to get as high as the 6th seed. Plus their owner is very old and wants to win now. Combine all of that and IMO they are motivated to push their chips in and try for that 1st round upset of San Antonio.

But why use existing cap space, when you can use that for a free agent, and use Covington's Bird rights to go over the cap?

Interesting take on Portland, Denver and New Orleans. Let's see!

Because then you don't get the chance to drastically lower Covington's salary in future years. You can only raise or lower his salary by the 7.5%. So they could wait and do a straight 4-60, or they can finagle it and save some cap for future years.

Yeah, I dont want to do that to Covington if there's a way we don't have to. I'd prefer we sign dudes with our cap space, and go over the cap to re-sign our own guys. Josh Harris may see it your way, though.

[the_process]

But why use existing cap space, when you can use that for a free agent, and use Covington's Bird rights to go over the cap?

Interesting take on Portland, Denver and New Orleans. Let's see!

Because then you don't get the chance to drastically lower Covington's salary in future years. You can only raise or lower his salary by the 7.5%. So they could wait and do a straight 4-60, or they can finagle it and save some cap for future years.

Yeah, I dont want to do that to Covington if there's a way we don't have to. I'd prefer we sign dudes with our cap space, and go over the cap to re-sign our own guys. Josh Harris may see it your way, though.

Covington is still getting paid either way. He's not losing out. It's just a way to open more future cap room. Pretty sure he would like a 19M raise this year

[smittybanton]

Because then you don't get the chance to drastically lower Covington's salary in future years. You can only raise or lower his salary by the 7.5%. So they could wait and do a straight 4-60, or they can finagle it and save some cap for future years.

Yeah, I dont want to do that to Covington if there's a way we don't have to. I'd prefer we sign dudes with our cap space, and go over the cap to re-sign our own guys. Josh Harris may see it your way, though.

Covington is still getting paid either way. He's not losing out. It's just a way to open more future cap room. Pretty sure he would like a 19M raise this year

Not all that worried about Covington. Just don't see the reason not to use our cap space for free agents when we have Bird rights over our own players. I understand the point about cap flexibility down the road, but its just a question of using it now or later. Not knocking the idea. Just would go a different path. If we're going to keep signing sergios, jerrryds, jjs and johnsons, then I'm on your side.

Anyway, Frank Jacksoin is hurt.

Speaking of capspace, I'm now on your side about getting their 1st round pick. They should have some level of interest in TJ, Stauskas, TLC, Anderson, and Richaun Holmes.

[Chris76]

TLC and Stauskus should be fighting against Bayless for mins. Their defense could be a good reason for more time. TLC could be the best defender among them.

Utah 1st for Bayless or Stauskus + Anderson

[spikeslovechild]

It really depends on Simmons, Fultz, and Embiid. If those three players are really good then I think it makes more sense to bring in elite free agents who would at that point be willing to come.

If they stutter maybe we settle for Covington extension but to be clear I have zero interest in an extension right now. In fact, I'd be more apt to trade him. He's not an elite player and when you start paying these non-elite guys 15-20 million you screw up your cap.

Maybe, as a compromise like Smitty said we use his bird rights and go over the cap to resign him. I'm not a huge fan because honestly I don't think hes worth it but at point it's just Harris who would be footing the bill.

[Chris76]

It really depends on Simmons, Fultz, and Embiid. If those three players are really good then I think it makes more sense to bring in elite free agents who would at that point be willing to come.

If they stutter maybe we settle for Covington extension but to be clear I have zero interest in an extension right now. In fact, I'd be more apt to trade him. He's not an elite player and when you start paying these non-elite guys 15-20 million you screw up your cap.

Maybe, as a compromise like Smitty said we use his bird rights and go over the cap to resign him. I'm not a huge fan because honestly I don't think hes worth it but at point it's just Harris who would be footing the bill.

Covington fits really well with them and he could have a breakout year with better talent. To sign him to a reasonable extension would be great and smart. His defense is very valuable and difficult to replace. Also, he started to use a midrange game that helped with his decision making.

A core of Embiid, Simmons, Fultz, Covington, Saric, and Okafor gives the Sixers a good chance to be competitive. Embiid could be a force, like Hakeem, that carries a team deep in the playoffs. Hopefully, the players realize that keeping good players cost a lot and maybe some will take discounts to be more competitive, like Durant did.

[spikeslovechild]

Yeah, I dont want to do that to Covington if there's a way we don't have to. I'd prefer we sign dudes with our cap space, and go over the cap to re-sign our own guys. Josh Harris may see it your way, though.

Covington is still getting paid either way. He's not losing out. It's just a way to open more future cap room. Pretty sure he would like a 19M raise this year

Not all that worried about Covington. Just don't see the reason not to use our cap space for free agents when we have Bird rights over our own players. I understand the point about cap flexibility down the road, but its just a question of using it now or later. Not knocking the idea. Just would go a different path. If we're going to keep signing sergios, jerrryds, jjs and johnsons, then I'm on your side.

Anyway, Frank Jacksoin is hurt.

Speaking of capspace, I'm now on your side about getting their 1st round pick. They should have some level of interest in TJ, Stauskas, TLC, Anderson, and Richaun Holmes.

We have a couple of ways to sort of finagle the cap to sign two max free agents. One we could qualify Embiid and wait until after FA starts to sign the extension. Two and the most obvious trade Bayless. Three we could decline the option of Okafor.

For me anyways it's all about going after two max guys. I'm not sacrificing that for Covington.

[the_process]

Covington is still getting paid either way. He's not losing out. It's just a way to open more future cap room. Pretty sure he would like a 19M raise this year

Not all that worried about Covington. Just don't see the reason not to use our cap space for free agents when we have Bird rights over our own players. I understand the point about cap flexibility down the road, but its just a question of using it now or later. Not knocking the idea. Just would go a different path. If we're going to keep signing sergios, jerrryds, jjs and johnsons, then I'm on your side.

Anyway, Frank Jacksoin is hurt.

Speaking of capspace, I'm now on your side about getting their 1st round pick. They should have some level of interest in TJ, Stauskas, TLC, Anderson, and Richaun Holmes.

We have a couple of ways to sort of finagle the cap to sign two max free agents. One we could qualify Embiid and wait until after FA starts to sign the extension. Two and the most obvious trade Bayless. Three we could decline the option of Okafor.

For me anyways it's all about going after two max guys. I'm not sacrificing that for Covington.

Going to be tough selling two max guys on a team where two rookies are going to want the ball a ton, and the franchise player has the injury bug hanging over like a dark cloud. But I think most of us would gladly decline Jah's 4th year option AND pay a 2nd or two to somebody to eat Bayless if it's something that's remotely possible.

[76ciology]

Taurean Prince for Slim Okafor

[Dan Verze]

Not all that worried about Covington. Just don't see the reason not to use our cap space for free agents when we have Bird rights over our own players. I understand the point about cap flexibility down the road, but its just a question of using it now or later. Not knocking the idea. Just would go a different path. If we're going to keep signing sergios, jerrryds, jjs and johnsons, then I'm on your side.

Anyway, Frank Jacksoin is hurt.

Speaking of capspace, I'm now on your side about getting their 1st round pick. They should have some level of interest in TJ, Stauskas, TLC, Anderson, and Richaun Holmes.

We have a couple of ways to sort of finagle the cap to sign two max free agents. One we could qualify Embiid and wait until after FA starts to sign the extension. Two and the most obvious trade Bayless. Three we could decline the option of Okafor.

For me anyways it's all about going after two max guys. I'm not sacrificing that for Covington.

Going to be tough selling two max guys on a team where two rookies are going to want the ball a ton, and the franchise player has the injury bug hanging over like a dark cloud. But I think most of us would gladly decline Jah's 4th year option AND pay a 2nd or two to somebody to eat Bayless if it's something that's remotely possible.

guys I think Philly does not have bird rights for Covington if they dont renegotiate a contract during the season. But I'm not sure.

[HartfordWhalers]

We have a couple of ways to sort of finagle the cap to sign two max free agents. One we could qualify Embiid and wait until after FA starts to sign the extension. Two and the most obvious trade Bayless. Three we could decline the option of Okafor.

For me anyways it's all about going after two max guys. I'm not sacrificing that for Covington.

Going to be tough selling two max guys on a team where two rookies are going to want the ball a ton, and the franchise player has the injury bug hanging over like a dark cloud. But I think most of us would gladly decline Jah's 4th year option AND pay a 2nd or two to somebody to eat Bayless if it's something that's remotely possible.

guys I think Philly does not have bird rights for Covington if they dont renegotiate a contract during the season. But I'm not sure.

They definitely do still have Bird rights. They won't have restricted rights and an ability to match another teams' contract against Covington's wishes. But they would have full Bird rights and could offer any possible offer.

[the_process]

Taurean Prince for Slim Okafor

Love it! But Atlanta never does that. DeAndre Bembry for Okafor and a 2nd could be a possibility.

[76ciology]

Taurean Prince for Slim Okafor

Love it! But Atlanta never does that. DeAndre Bembry for Okafor and a 2nd could be a possibility.

We take a flyer on Prince, similar with what we did with Anderson.

[spikeslovechild]

You guys are nuts I'd rather let the Okafor situation play out and decline his option next year then trade for a guy whose at best a 3 and D player who does neither right now.

Anderson is a perfect example of this. Should have just let Dallas keep him and demanded a real 1st rounder. I have zero interest in these types of players moving forward. Our window is now.

[Chris76]

You guys are nuts I'd rather let the Okafor situation play out and decline his option next year then trade for a guy whose at best a 3 and D player who does neither right now.

Anderson is a perfect example of this. Should have just let Dallas keep him and demanded a real 1st rounder. I have zero interest in these types of players moving forward. Our window is now.

It's amazing the Okafor hate. He could be the backup center on a playoff team.

Embiid gets in foul trouble or worse, Okafor could fill in as the starter, Holmes and Amir are PFs.

[spikeslovechild]

You guys are nuts I'd rather let the Okafor situation play out and decline his option next year then trade for a guy whose at best a 3 and D player who does neither right now.

Anderson is a perfect example of this. Should have just let Dallas keep him and demanded a real 1st rounder. I have zero interest in these types of players moving forward. Our window is now.

It's amazing the Okafor hate. He could be the backup center on a playoff team.

Embiid gets in foul trouble or worse, Okafor could fill in as the starter, Holmes and Amir are PFs.

Maybe but it isn't even that for me.

These guys they are suggesting in most cases can't play in the NBA, probably never will, and even if they turn out you aren't going to be left with much of a difference maker. Prince for example may develop into a 3 and D guy at some point. Whoopee. But right now his defense is just above average and his 3PT shot is below average.

Don't get me wrong I have very little confidence in Okafor reaching his floor at this point but at least the potential is there.

[Ericb5]

I would just punt on the idea of turning Okafor into something of value at all, whether through his own contribution to the team, or in trading him for someone else.

I'm not saying that he can't show value in those areas, but let's just not worry about it anymore. We don't need him.

Let him prove himself first, and then we will see what happens. He is a talented player without a defined role in the league yet. The most likely outcome at this point is that he limps out of Philly, gets a fresh start somewhere else, and then grows into a valuable bench scoring big man. He probably isn't going to be that here.


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[Chris76]

I would just punt on the idea of turning Okafor into something of value at all, whether through his own contribution to the team, or in trading him for someone else.

I'm not saying that he can't show value in those areas, but let's just not worry about it anymore. We don't need him.

Let him prove himself first, and then we will see what happens. He is a talented player without a defined role in the league yet. The most likely outcome at this point is that he limps out of Philly, gets a fresh start somewhere else, and then grows into a valuable bench scoring big man. He probably isn't going to be that here.


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BC said they are working on getting Okafor healthy.

A healthy, more defensive minded Okafor could be better than Kanter, Greg Monroe, and a few other poor defensive centers.

Okafor will never be a rim protector, but with Simmons or Holmes he could be a good scoring big off the bench. His main problem was position and awareness with experience he should look much better.

It's crazy some of these terrible trades, because people are afraid that analytics or his poor #s could be wrong.

He avg 17 and 7 on a poor team, watch what he does on a good one.