All Things Luka Doncic

[Bob8]

I dont know what you compared but i know when during preparation games in wich goran played in 4th gear instead of 6th gear thats my point

and my point is, his long range shooting was incredible bad then and is incredible bad now. and I'm not sure if we can take any conclusions from 1 game against very poor Poland.

[XTraderXL]

Not a good game today by Doncic but he was still somewhat productive. He was very nervous in the first quarter, took some bad shots and some that he usually makes. He was visibly upset when he got subbed and I think that affected his performance quite a bit. I think he will play better for the rest of the tournament, today was his first official game at a big international tournament.

He got better as the game went on, when he got in the rythm. It is clear he is second best player on the team, I thought Randolph might be the number 2 but Doncic is simply more versatile and effective overall.

[perempe20]

just saw his highlights and I'm blown away. great instincts and all around game.

[pacersGM]

I dont know what you compared but i know when during preparation games in wich goran played in 4th gear instead of 6th gear thats my point

and my point is, his long range shooting was incredible bad then and is incredible bad now. and I'm not sure if we can take any conclusions from 1 game against very poor Poland.

haha, your awesome dude im not shure anything can step up your doncic-madrid arm twisting fairytales with the Lull phone calls and stuff. but keep trying your on the right path

[SportsGuy8]

@pacersGM: I hope you realize that while some posters might be posting rather ridiculous things from time to time, you're the one constantly acting and responding like an emotionally unstable small child, messing up the thread.

Can someone make a stop to this? Same story every couple pages, it's ridiculous. Otherwise this thread is going to get locked up again. This thread is very useful to keep track with what's happening with Doncic if you don't have much time.

[pacersGM]

@pacersGM: I hope you realize that while some posters might be posting rather ridiculous things from time to time, you're the one constantly acting and responding like an emotionally unstable small child, messing up the thread.

Can someone make a stop to this? Same story every couple pages, it's ridiculous. Otherwise this thread is going to get locked up again. This thread is very useful to keep track with what's happening with Doncic if you don't have much time.

so its me gone, others posting ridiculous things or insulting stay? i mean, the topic is is doncic a 2018 1st pick - wich means no facts can be stated here, only subjective observings. if you are looking for news on doncic i would rather suggest other news outlets, wich dont require more time to read through, rather then a discussion forum. or am i seeing it wrong?

[SportsGuy8]

The thing is, almost everyone else is actually trying to debate, while your main goal seems to be to "WIN" and show everyone how right you are/were.

Your first post on this page is a perfect example:

to the guy who intensive compared doncic & dragic in the preparational games, and where i said dragic has another gear for the real games (not russian students) - i PRESENT YOU: 20 points IN THE FIRST HALF by goran dragic first point taken. for the others il have to wait a few more seasons

This is how mid-schoolers "debate". I'm not trying to be insulting, this is ACTUALLY how mid-schoolers "debate".

But maybe you just took notes from current US president.

P.s.: And I actually AGREE with your point about Dragic.

[pacersGM]

The thing is, almost everyone else is actually trying to debate, while your main goal seems to be to "WIN" and show everyone how right you are/were.

Your first post on this page is a perfect example:

to the guy who intensive compared doncic & dragic in the preparational games, and where i said dragic has another gear for the real games (not russian students) - i PRESENT YOU: 20 points IN THE FIRST HALF by goran dragic first point taken. for the others il have to wait a few more seasons

This is how mid-schoolers "debate". I'm not trying to be insulting, this is ACTUALLY how mid-schoolers "debate".

But maybe you just took notes from current US president.

P.s.: And I actually AGREE with your point about Dragic.

so where is the problem? you saw my actual point beeing made (that you cant compare doncic & dragic ) during preparational games. one player beeing an 110 million nba star, preparing for his 5-6 big tournament, the other a 18 year old newcomer, with 0 national team games not to speak tournaments). who will give his 100% and who his 70% during friendly games? those compariosions are useles and everyone without the intention to troll can admit that).

i admit i added a bit spice to the "revenge" because i can only respond to nonsense with fooling around.

and i couldnt really care less about the american president, he is other peoples problem. so you arent really making it better, topic relevant to bring that a...hole into the debate either

[Bob8]

The thing is, almost everyone else is actually trying to debate, while your main goal seems to be to "WIN" and show everyone how right you are/were.

Your first post on this page is a perfect example:

to the guy who intensive compared doncic & dragic in the preparational games, and where i said dragic has another gear for the real games (not russian students) - i PRESENT YOU: 20 points IN THE FIRST HALF by goran dragic first point taken. for the others il have to wait a few more seasons

This is how mid-schoolers "debate". I'm not trying to be insulting, this is ACTUALLY how mid-schoolers "debate".

But maybe you just took notes from current US president.

P.s.: And I actually AGREE with your point about Dragic.

so where is the problem? you saw my actual point beeing made (that you cant compare doncic & dragic ) during preparational games. one player beeing an 110 million nba star, preparing for his 5-6 big tournament, the other a 18 year old newcomer, with 0 national team games not to speak tournaments). who will give his 100% and who his 70% during friendly games? those compariosions are useles and everyone without the intention to troll can admit that).

i admit i added a bit spice to the "revenge" because i can only respond to nonsense with fooling around.

and i couldnt really care less about the american president, he is other peoples problem. so you arent really making it better, topic relevant to bring that a...hole into the debate either

If I understand you right Dragic didn't give his max. in his last home game in front of full Stozice against very good Croatia and he give it max. against very poor Poland? From when 1 game is enough to make any conclusions? If you have watched the game you have seen how bad and naive were polish pgs in defense. Let's see how Dragic will play against Greece and if he will have remotely similar numbers I will admit you were always right and I was wrong.

Doncic didn't have great day, but if he will finished Eurobasket with avg. 11/8/6, it will be very good Eurobasket for him. We will see better days and worse days from him. Dragic is clear leader and that means less balls for Doncic. You don't see many times in Europe someone taking 23 shots. And that's will be big problem for Slovenia when someone will stop Dragic. In first half was evident that everybody was totally out of the game, because Dragic was playing alone against Poland. I'm not sure that's the right way to do something in this Eurobasket.

[pacersGM]

total nonsense.

fact1: slovenia has an above average eurobasket team

fact2: if an opposing team thinks goran dragic is the sole problem, threat, they would double team him the whole game and he couldnt score 10 point even if giving 100%. yes even the poland team could easy have done that,

fact3: i am saying doncic has played very well, (prep games, first eurobasket game .etc.) naturaly adding from his very good madrid performances. but that doesnt change the fact we are talking about the nba doncic in this post. he is now what: an all around talent (pass, shoot, dribble, rebound). the nba is a specific role oriented league (you got the scorers, defenders, shooters, and the lebrons. ) now for a player to be a star in the nba he has to do either one of those things exceptional, or all of them. the only ones who do most of those thing great, and are stars are: westbrook, lebron, paul george, jimmy butler, draymond green, karl anthony towns ...) has doncic the potential in your eyes to be on the same level as the guys above in the nba? because he wont be payd for beeing a slasher (dragic). he wont be payed to be a shooter (korver, reddick) he wont be payed to be a defender (pg13, denadre jordan, draymond,...) he wont be payed to be a scorer (harden, durant, kyrie ...). wich in my mind and opinion brings me to the conclusion doncic can be a great all around player in the nba. a starter probably, but not a star-superstar - worthy of the 1st pick.

and since i dont see much of connections between the eurobasket play (wich you yourself said, there are some mediocre games teams there) and his nba superstar potential (wich i hope aspirations of the nba 1st pick, brings with them), i would suggest you guys open a new topic: DONCIC IN EUROPE, WAY TO EUROPEAN LEGEND, CURRENT DONCIC CAREER, etc.

[Bob8]

total nonsense.

fact1: slovenia has an above average eurobasket team

fact2: if an opposing team thinks goran dragic is the sole problem, threat, they would double team him the whole game and he couldnt score 10 point even if giving 100%. yes even the poland team could easy have done that,

fact3: i am saying doncic has played very well, (prep games, first eurobasket game .etc.) naturaly adding from his very good madrid performances. but that doesnt change the fact we are talking about the nba doncic in this post. he is now what: an all around talent (pass, shoot, dribble, rebound). the nba is a specific role oriented league (you got the scorers, defenders, shooters, and the lebrons. ) now for a player to be a star in the nba he has to do either one of those things exceptional, or all of them. the only ones who do most of those thing great, and are stars are: westbrook, lebron, paul george, jimmy butler, draymond green, karl anthony towns ...) has doncic the potential in your eyes to be on the same level as the guys above in the nba? because he wont be payd for beeing a slasher (dragic). he wont be payed to be a shooter (korver, reddick) he wont be payed to be a defender (pg13, denadre jordan, draymond,...) he wont be payed to be a scorer (harden, durant, kyrie ...). wich in my mind and opinion brings me to the conclusion doncic can be a great all around player in the nba. a starter probably, but not a star-superstar - worthy of the 1st pick.

and since i dont see much of connections between the eurobasket play (wich you yourself said, there are some mediocre games teams there) and his nba superstar potential (wich i hope aspirations of the nba 1st pick, brings with them), i would suggest you guys open a new topic: DONCIC IN EUROPE, WAY TO EUROPEAN LEGEND, CURRENT DONCIC CAREER, etc.

We can only discuss if Doncic is worthy of the first pick?

Interesting thing is that you're 100% sure he isn't worthy of the first pick, but I didn't hear anything from you, why he isn't. Or it's enough to say he's not athletic enough?

Why Porter who has incredible one dimensional play and is playing against incredible bad opponents is worthy of the first pick? Or why athletes who are dunking against midgets in the school are worthy of the first pick? Anyone from them can easily be a bust, when they will have to play against professionals of their size and strength. And all the names you mentioned above, where just prospects in the school once, like Doncic is now, and there were many questions about their possibilities to be stars, like there're many questions about Doncic. But you seemed 100% sure Doncic has no chance to be a star.

Eurobasket is for sure more important and difficult competition than any school competition that other prospects are playing and because of that it's important. Who from them has possibility to play with top 10 Nba Pg and against Nba players?

[pacersGM]

total nonsense.

fact1: slovenia has an above average eurobasket team

fact2: if an opposing team thinks goran dragic is the sole problem, threat, they would double team him the whole game and he couldnt score 10 point even if giving 100%. yes even the poland team could easy have done that,

fact3: i am saying doncic has played very well, (prep games, first eurobasket game .etc.) naturaly adding from his very good madrid performances. but that doesnt change the fact we are talking about the nba doncic in this post. he is now what: an all around talent (pass, shoot, dribble, rebound). the nba is a specific role oriented league (you got the scorers, defenders, shooters, and the lebrons. ) now for a player to be a star in the nba he has to do either one of those things exceptional, or all of them. the only ones who do most of those thing great, and are stars are: westbrook, lebron, paul george, jimmy butler, draymond green, karl anthony towns ...) has doncic the potential in your eyes to be on the same level as the guys above in the nba? because he wont be payd for beeing a slasher (dragic). he wont be payed to be a shooter (korver, reddick) he wont be payed to be a defender (pg13, denadre jordan, draymond,...) he wont be payed to be a scorer (harden, durant, kyrie ...). wich in my mind and opinion brings me to the conclusion doncic can be a great all around player in the nba. a starter probably, but not a star-superstar - worthy of the 1st pick.

and since i dont see much of connections between the eurobasket play (wich you yourself said, there are some mediocre games teams there) and his nba superstar potential (wich i hope aspirations of the nba 1st pick, brings with them), i would suggest you guys open a new topic: DONCIC IN EUROPE, WAY TO EUROPEAN LEGEND, CURRENT DONCIC CAREER, etc.

We can only discuss if Doncic is worthy of the first pick?

Interesting thing is that you're 100% sure he isn't worthy of the first pick, but I didn't hear anything from you, why he isn't. Or it's enough to say he's not athletic enough?

Why Porter who has incredible one dimensional play and is playing against incredible bad opponents is worthy of the first pick? Or why athletes who are dunking against midgets in the school are worthy of the first pick? Anyone from them can easily be a bust, when they will have to play against professionals of their size and strength. And all the names you mentioned above, where just prospects in the school once, like Doncic is now, and there were many questions about their possibilities to be stars, like there're many questions about Doncic. But you seemed 100% sure Doncic has no chance to be a star.

Eurobasket is for sure more important and difficult competition than any school competition that other prospects are playing and because of that it's important. Who from them has possibility to play with top 10 Nba Pg and against Nba players?

you are way to much into stats, current situations. if your way of thinking would be the most succesful determening a prospects projections, then no player dominating high school would be a potential superstar, since a guy in europe is averaging decent numbers in better competition.

you have to look ahead, see a bigger picture. meaning, will porter be able to translate his skills to the nba (alot of scouts think that- professional scouts), or will doncic be able to multiply his current stats, play? ( since 8 ppg wont turn heads in the nba, and would mean instant bust in any galaxy). will doncic be able to continue to get rebounds in a league whee there are taller quicker players, then the european ideal 5man - kyle hines? - an comparision to your "midget high school basketball league".

[Bob8]

total nonsense.

fact1: slovenia has an above average eurobasket team

fact2: if an opposing team thinks goran dragic is the sole problem, threat, they would double team him the whole game and he couldnt score 10 point even if giving 100%. yes even the poland team could easy have done that,

fact3: i am saying doncic has played very well, (prep games, first eurobasket game .etc.) naturaly adding from his very good madrid performances. but that doesnt change the fact we are talking about the nba doncic in this post. he is now what: an all around talent (pass, shoot, dribble, rebound). the nba is a specific role oriented league (you got the scorers, defenders, shooters, and the lebrons. ) now for a player to be a star in the nba he has to do either one of those things exceptional, or all of them. the only ones who do most of those thing great, and are stars are: westbrook, lebron, paul george, jimmy butler, draymond green, karl anthony towns ...) has doncic the potential in your eyes to be on the same level as the guys above in the nba? because he wont be payd for beeing a slasher (dragic). he wont be payed to be a shooter (korver, reddick) he wont be payed to be a defender (pg13, denadre jordan, draymond,...) he wont be payed to be a scorer (harden, durant, kyrie ...). wich in my mind and opinion brings me to the conclusion doncic can be a great all around player in the nba. a starter probably, but not a star-superstar - worthy of the 1st pick.

and since i dont see much of connections between the eurobasket play (wich you yourself said, there are some mediocre games teams there) and his nba superstar potential (wich i hope aspirations of the nba 1st pick, brings with them), i would suggest you guys open a new topic: DONCIC IN EUROPE, WAY TO EUROPEAN LEGEND, CURRENT DONCIC CAREER, etc.

We can only discuss if Doncic is worthy of the first pick?

Interesting thing is that you're 100% sure he isn't worthy of the first pick, but I didn't hear anything from you, why he isn't. Or it's enough to say he's not athletic enough?

Why Porter who has incredible one dimensional play and is playing against incredible bad opponents is worthy of the first pick? Or why athletes who are dunking against midgets in the school are worthy of the first pick? Anyone from them can easily be a bust, when they will have to play against professionals of their size and strength. And all the names you mentioned above, where just prospects in the school once, like Doncic is now, and there were many questions about their possibilities to be stars, like there're many questions about Doncic. But you seemed 100% sure Doncic has no chance to be a star.

Eurobasket is for sure more important and difficult competition than any school competition that other prospects are playing and because of that it's important. Who from them has possibility to play with top 10 Nba Pg and against Nba players?

you are way to much into stats, current situations. if your way of thinking would be the most succesful determening a prospects projections, then no player dominating high school would be a potential superstar, since a guy in europe is averaging decent numbers in better competition.

you have to look ahead, see a bigger picture. meaning, will porter be able to translate his skills to the nba (alot of scouts think that- professional scouts), or will doncic be able to multiply his current stats, play? ( since 8 ppg wont turn heads in the nba, and would mean instant bust in any galaxy). will doncic be able to continue to get rebounds in a league whee there are taller quicker players, then the european ideal 5man - kyle hines? - an comparision to your "midget high school basketball league".

Professional scouts think Porter can translate his game in Nba and Doncic can't? All scouts coming in Spain just for food and drinks?;) It looks to me you have some double standards here.

8 ppg being more than half of the season 17 years old. No one did that before. Btw. he's 1 year younger than Porter. And average school kid in USA is a galaxy away from Hines.

Of course he can't be a star in Nba if his game will stay the same. But maybe you should look into the future and understand that's very likely he will improve in next 5 years. It's not normal to be in your prime when you're 18.

[pacersGM]

Where did i say scouts recognize porters potential and not doncics? Can you quote me on that? Or are you trying to make stuff up as you need to?

Doncic for shure will improve in 5 years but not enough in the areas in question: athletic ability(quickness, speed, lateral quicks, vertical jump ...)

See, porter already jumps to the top if the backboard, now scouts hope he will catch up to doncic in the ither areas: vision, pace, p&r.

And the scouts and people who matter agree with me since doncic is a longshot to get drafted first

[Bob8]

Where did i say scouts recognize porters potential and not doncics? Can you quote me on that? Or are you trying to make stuff up as you need to?

Doncic for shure will improve in 5 years but not enough in the areas in question: athletic ability(quickness, speed, lateral quicks, vertical jump ...)

See, porter already jumps to the top if the backboard, now scouts hope he will catch up to doncic in the ither areas: vision, pace, p&r.

And the scouts and people who matter agree with me since doncic is a longshot to get drafted first

You have written," you have to look ahead, see a bigger picture. meaning, will porter be able to translate his skills to the nba (alot of scouts think that- professional scouts)," it sounded to me like scouts don't think that for Doncic.

Only thing that matters is, who will be better in Nba. And I see no reason why Porter for sure will be better. Porter being new Durant is total nonsense because Porter hasn't anything, except maybe shooting ability, that Durant has. He can be very easy a bust, especially if he will be drafted as new Durant. I have no problems if someone says it will be difficult for Doncic to be a superstar. But your problem is that you're 100% sure he can't be a star. And for that certainty it's not enough to say he's not athletic enough. It's true you're born with athletic abilities, but there's a very big room for improvement nonetheless. And on the other hand you're born with vision and basketball IQ too. To expect someone will just learn that is just wishful thinking. And that's why is very annoying to listen how everything what's Doncic doing great can be learned and he no way can be better athlete than he's now. The truth is you're born with basketball talent the same way like you're born with athletic abilities. And imho it's easier to improve body than vision and IQ.

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[pacersGM]

Thats where we dissagree. A dont think athletic ability gains are possible in such volume as someone can learn the game.

And history is on my side. I dont remember to many 1picks choosen because of smarts rather then athletic ability / freaks who dominated midget leagues if doncic will be the exception il be the first to congratulate you.

Doncic fans are laying to much on him. The nba is another beast. In my opinion hes a solid nba player down the line, but shurely borderline all star isnt his floor

[Bob8]

Thats where we dissagree. A dont think athletic ability gains are possible in such volume as someone can learn the game.

And history is on my side. I dont remember to many 1picks choosen because of smarts rather then athletic ability / freaks who dominated midget leagues if doncic will be the exception il be the first to congratulate you.

Doncic fans are laying to much on him. The nba is another beast. In my opinion hes a solid nba player down the line, but shurely borderline all star isnt his floor

You're right, borderline all star isn't his floor.

[Curmudgeon]

He should be, but he won't be.

[vi3t]

is that anthony randolph playing for slovenia?? how did he get naturalized, he played for team USA not that long ago in the Pan Am games