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Post#201 » by danfantastk32 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:08 am

Nightwing wrote:my point is we have gone through sh*t hole and i would love us to win from there. i don't want the self entitled diva bailing us out (that's not even a sure thing if we can win given GSW right now) and if the lebron james experiment won't work? what now? he will dismantle us from top to bottom (look at cleveland now). the way i see it, he will not care about wearing the purple and gold or the honor of wearing it, he will just come here because he sees an opportunity with our young guys, because he's a legacy whore. he can't even stay in his "hometown" who we thought he cared so much.

people act like lebron james is our last hope. lebron is exiting his prime and you guys still want to risk it. i don't get it.


Sorry man, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Self entitled diva? With the defense he plays? I find it funny what an "oh snap!" moment it was when we all discovered Kyrie took the most shots in Cle. Certainly unbecoming of a Diva such as Lebron to not shout and make that fact known, right? But there we were.....totally unaware. If he's a 'self entitled diva'.....I shudder to think of what you'd call a guy like Melo. Or Westbrook. Or Harden. Or even PG. <---How many titles are we looking at there?

And nobody is acting like Lebron is the last hope. I don't even know what your talking about with that one. Paul George wants to come here (Apparently). There's little whispers about Westbrook (talk about RUINING our youth, and ball movement...give me a f** break!) and we're hearing rumors about Lebron. You got any other A-list players you know about? Lebron next year will be better than either of those 2 will ever be. AND....he's a much more willing passer. Much much much much much much more willing passer.

Who cares what his other motives are? You think he's gonna come half-arse it? For a guy who apparently cares so much about his legacy (btw....wouldn't all of you, if you were him?? Answer that honestly....wouldn't you be just a LITTLE interested in your legacy?) would come to LA and just mail it in? To think that guy's gonna come and just pick up his paycheck is to completely ignore the personality type that all these athletes are.

Age....prob your best (and only) argument....but the dude's 32. He'll be 33 when he comes (if he does). As long as he's still a top-10 player in the league.....I ask you again: Where's the list of better options?

And lastly...I take exception to your "we've gone through sh** hole" comment. Last I checked, we ended the season 3rd worst in the league. We done? Signing Ball just ended all that eh? Like Ingram did the year before....or maybe it was Russell? This team ain't through nothin. Your gonna turn your back on the best (maybe 2nd best now) player in the league.....cause we're past all that now?

You don't want Lebron cause you don't like him? Fair enough. That's your right. But this "self entitled diva" stuff is just rubbish. Go hit up a Dwight Howard, or Melo site please.

The guy will INSTANTLY throw us into the 2nd round of the playoffs at WORST.....giving our young core (who btw would all be like 24-25 when his contract expired with us) incredibly valuable playoff experience. He'd play defense.....demand nothing but top notch effort and skill (such a crime these days) from his teammates, and give Lonzo a run for his $$ on assist leader. You tell me how that's a 'failed experiment' if that's all we ever got out of it?

Jeez man.....you talk like we're last years champs, just lining up one potential A-lister after the next.
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Post#202 » by stan francisco » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:11 am

If LBJ is our PF next season, we'll probably become the prime destination for ring chasing FA vets. That's another huge perk with him.

In 2018-19, I'd love to see this starting lineup, with some quality vet role players off the bench,

Lonzo Ball
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Brandon Ingram
LeBron James
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Re: Why are we targeting lebron? 

Post#203 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:54 pm

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Nightwing wrote:having lebron here would defeat the purpose of being a "laker" fan.IMHO

plus his fans, eeeck don't need them to cheer "GO LAKERS" after everything. i supported my lakers through thick and thin and they would just come here and just do bandwagon stuff? come on, show some pride. narratives would be lebron bailed us out and we suck without him. do you really want that to happen? nope, not me.

i say no to lebron. we will win without him. i trust lonzo/bi like i trusted kobe/shaq


This is nonsense. We didn't have any problem welcoming Shaquille O'Neal, who helped bring us three championships. Barring his age and the manufactured rivalry some of our more fervent Kobe stans can't let go, why would LeBron James be any different? The point is to win, by any and all means necessary. Not that we will, given how great Golden State should be for the next five years or so. But after the last half decade, I can handle having a puncher's chance and then rolling over into a new generation with Ball and Ingram (provided they develop) just entering their prime when LeBron retires.


nonsense because i don't want lebron wearing purple and gold? don't get me wrong i'm a huge kobe fan but i love my lakers more, i was even willing to ditch him as my fav player when he requested to be traded.

my point is we have gone through sh*t hole and i would love us to win from there. i don't want the self entitled diva bailing us out (that's not even a sure thing if we can win given GSW right now) and if the lebron james experiment won't work? what now? he will dismantle us from top to bottom (look at cleveland now). the way i see it, he will not care about wearing the purple and gold or the honor of wearing it, he will just come here because he sees an opportunity with our young guys, because he's a legacy whore. he can't even stay in his "hometown" who we thought he cared so much.

people act like lebron james is our last hope. lebron is exiting his prime and you guys still want to risk it. i don't get it.


Can't really add a ton more to what dan previously posted.

More than anything, it was the sheer snobbery of your post. "Show some pride," the "honor" of wearing our uniform, etc, basically intimating that we're too good to sign, aging or not, one of the best players in history.

To quote the great Marsellus Wallace: F pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps.

This isn't high school or college sports. It's all about winning at this level, and there's no right or pure way to do it. All the awesome stuff we've accomplished over the decades means exactly zip at this point. We're in the middle of the worst stretch in our history, by far, with no clear end in sight, and we need to use any and all means at our disposal to climb out of it. If that includes signing an aging "legacy whore" -- and what a lame characterization that is -- so be it.

Do I think it will net us a championship? Not at all. As stated, the Warriors, barring injuries or some other kinds of flukes, are going to be virtually unbeatable for the next five years or so, which will basically send LeBron into retirement.

But neither do I think it represents any sort of risk whatsoever. What exactly are we losing? If anything, we bring him and hopefully another big-timer on board as well, Ball and Ingram develop like we all hope, we get some playoff runs under our belts, and then they're ready to take over when he retires. Strength to strength.

I'm a patient person. If the front office decides to go in another direction, and they have a sound plan in place, and aren't making stupid knee-jerk moves, so be it. And given LeBron's age, there's obviously risk involved. Given his IQ and commitment to fitness, I expect him to play at an All-Star level into his late 30s, just like Karl Malone or Tim Duncan. But at this point, you never know.

What I don't accept is not wanting him for some petty personal reasons. Screw all of that.
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Re: Why are we targeting lebron? 

Post#204 » by john248 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:15 pm

Just to reply to some of the LeBron hate...

There's nothing about LeBron that's "something's just missing" when comparing him to the greats. He's a top 5 ever...EVER...to play the game. People like to romanticize players of the past while conveniently forgetting their short comings as if Tragic Johnson never existed. We see 100% from LeBron every playoffs. We just saw the guy lead his team a couple seasons ago and beat a 73 win team. To say otherwise is just plain ignorance.

People are not acting like LeBron is our last hope. One of the best players in the league is going to make the news. One of the most storied franchises in all of sports is going to make the news. Put those 2 together, and it's going to generate a ton of buzz. I don't believe in this ... GSW owns now so let's all give up ... mentality, You still build the best team you can regardless of what's out there. It is so much better for the players on this team to get out of a losing culture and actually experience winning whether that is with or without LeBron. So if the chance is there to sign LeBron or Paul George or whoever, then the team should do it. If they can't sign them, then carry on with developing the young guys.

People are so concerned with LeBron's mentality or how he's a diva. I only care about watching winning basketball. I don't see too much of a risk given he signs short term deals.
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Re: Why are we targeting lebron? 

Post#205 » by AcecardZ » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:06 am

LeBron can play! But... for how much longer? Bring him in but please not on some silly four year Deal that we'll be massively regretting in two years.
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Post#206 » by Slink » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:36 am

AcecardZ wrote:LeBron can play! But... for how much longer? Bring him in but please not on some silly four year Deal that we'll be massively regretting in two years.


I think that's exactly what he will get.It was four years with the Heat, then it would be four years with the Cavs by next summer if he becomes a FA.
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Post#207 » by HoopsMalone » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:41 am

The ball movement on a lebron/ball led team would be unreal. Also their ability to turn missed shots into transition opportunities.... delayed fast breaks... generate open looks from 3s... dribble penetration in the halfcourt....

Ball
Kcp
George
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Ingram as a 6th man or traded for a starting center. That team gives the Warriors a run

Look at that size/versatility on defense. Switch on every screen. Play passing lanes..
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Post#208 » by danfantastk32 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:20 am

HoopsMalone wrote:The ball movement on a lebron/ball led team would be unreal. Also their ability to turn missed shots into transition opportunities.... delayed fast breaks... generate open looks from 3s... dribble penetration in the halfcourt....


I agree. I think Lebron's age might be a factor (especially that last year) as far as him being super-elite, but It's the ball movement and breaking that really makes me wanna see this happen.

Might he fall off to the point where we're overpaying the guy a bit his last year? Probably, but I think the other 3 years outweigh the last one (which will be far from horrible) when you account for the development and experience the young guys will get under him.
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Post#209 » by Sedale Threatt » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:55 am

HoopsMalone wrote:The ball movement on a lebron/ball led team would be unreal. Also their ability to turn missed shots into transition opportunities.... delayed fast breaks... generate open looks from 3s... dribble penetration in the halfcourt....

Ball
Kcp
George
LeBron
Zubac

Ingram as a 6th man or traded for a starting center. That team gives the Warriors a run

Look at that size/versatility on defense. Switch on every screen. Play passing lanes..


No it doesn't. But we'll at least be very competitive. I'll take it.
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Post#210 » by stan francisco » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:04 am

My guess would be that we'll have a better chance against GSW in a few years with Ingram vs Durant than with PG13. I'm not so high on PG's attitude anyway, but that's kind of like complaining about Cindy Crawford's mole.

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Post#211 » by One Love » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:06 pm

Order of free agents should be Westbrook, LBJ, PG than Cousins... I have a funny feeling Westbrook goes old school & stays in OKC... I would take LBJ & PG or Cousins ALL DAY long... Ball, KCP, Ingram, LBJ & Cousins... That team would be a contender ALL DAY long Baby & would have length & mismatches across the board... Can you imagine LBJ posting up KD or Cousins working on Green... Throw Ingram on Klay & KCP on Curry... The matchups are intriguing, really are good matchups for us boys... Lakeshow Baby...
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Post#212 » by danfantastk32 » Fri Sep 1, 2017 6:48 am

One Love wrote:Order of free agents should be Westbrook, LBJ, PG than Cousins... I have a funny feeling Westbrook goes old school & stays in OKC... I would take LBJ & PG or Cousins ALL DAY long... Ball, KCP, Ingram, LBJ & Cousins... That team would be a contender ALL DAY long Baby & would have length & mismatches across the board... Can you imagine LBJ posting up KD or Cousins working on Green... Throw Ingram on Klay & KCP on Curry... The matchups are intriguing, really are good matchups for us boys... Lakeshow Baby...


I totally don't want Westbrook. The guy couldn't make it work with Durant. He's a me me me me me player.

Amazing talent....he has heart, and all that. But I don't think he'll win a title.

Especially now that we have such a promising player in Ball. I really hope we don't go for Westbrook. He's the wrong player for us.
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Post#213 » by One Love » Fri Sep 1, 2017 3:30 pm

Westbrook is CRAZY & I do t think he could even predict what he is going to do at this point...
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Post#214 » by Rek » Sat Sep 2, 2017 12:20 pm

Slink wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:LeBron can play! But... for how much longer? Bring him in but please not on some silly four year Deal that we'll be massively regretting in two years.


I think that's exactly what he will get.It was four years with the Heat, then it would be four years with the Cavs by next summer if he becomes a FA.

Same here. At his age, I believe his approach to contracts will change. He'll be looking for the guaranteed max cash for at least 4 years. Maybe 3+1 at the minimum. I don't particularly want him for several reasons. But, mostly because he'll be post-prime no matter how good he was previously. Bad team-building approach to hand out max money just for the privilege of watching an all time great on the decline.
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Post#215 » by AcecardZ » Sat Sep 2, 2017 4:52 pm

HoopsMalone wrote:The ball movement on a lebron/ball led team would be unreal. Also their ability to turn missed shots into transition opportunities.... delayed fast breaks... generate open looks from 3s... dribble penetration in the halfcourt....

Ball
Kcp
George
LeBron
Zubac

Ingram as a 6th man or traded for a starting center. That team gives the Warriors a run

Look at that size/versatility on defense. Switch on every screen. Play passing lanes..


Ditch KCP, move PG13 to SG and keep Ingram at SF and that would be a lineup that could contend with GS. Assuming of course Ball and Ingram develop into the players we're hoping.
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Post#216 » by AcecardZ » Sat Sep 2, 2017 4:54 pm

One Love wrote:Order of free agents should be Westbrook, LBJ, PG than Cousins... I have a funny feeling Westbrook goes old school & stays in OKC... I would take LBJ & PG or Cousins ALL DAY long... Ball, KCP, Ingram, LBJ & Cousins... That team would be a contender ALL DAY long Baby & would have length & mismatches across the board... Can you imagine LBJ posting up KD or Cousins working on Green... Throw Ingram on Klay & KCP on Curry... The matchups are intriguing, really are good matchups for us boys... Lakeshow Baby...


With Ball at PG what position do you see RWB playing?
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Post#217 » by BEazy » Sat Sep 2, 2017 5:00 pm

Lets go after PG and Cousins. I'm sure LeBron wants to stay in the cake walk East all his career, so, I say let him stay there.
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Post#218 » by AcecardZ » Sun Sep 3, 2017 5:18 am

Problem is neither of those two guys, PG13 and Cousins are winners...
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Post#219 » by Nightwing » Mon Sep 4, 2017 7:24 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:Can't really add a ton more to what dan previously posted.

More than anything, it was the sheer snobbery of your post. "Show some pride," the "honor" of wearing our uniform, etc, basically intimating that we're too good to sign, aging or not, one of the best players in history.

To quote the great Marsellus Wallace: F pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps.

This isn't high school or college sports. It's all about winning at this level, and there's no right or pure way to do it. All the awesome stuff we've accomplished over the decades means exactly zip at this point. We're in the middle of the worst stretch in our history, by far, with no clear end in sight, and we need to use any and all means at our disposal to climb out of it. If that includes signing an aging "legacy whore" -- and what a lame characterization that is -- so be it.

Do I think it will net us a championship? Not at all. As stated, the Warriors, barring injuries or some other kinds of flukes, are going to be virtually unbeatable for the next five years or so, which will basically send LeBron into retirement.

But neither do I think it represents any sort of risk whatsoever. What exactly are we losing? If anything, we bring him and hopefully another big-timer on board as well, Ball and Ingram develop like we all hope, we get some playoff runs under our belts, and then they're ready to take over when he retires. Strength to strength.

I'm a patient person. If the front office decides to go in another direction, and they have a sound plan in place, and aren't making stupid knee-jerk moves, so be it. And given LeBron's age, there's obviously risk involved. Given his IQ and commitment to fitness, I expect him to play at an All-Star level into his late 30s, just like Karl Malone or Tim Duncan. But at this point, you never know.

What I don't accept is not wanting him for some petty personal reasons. Screw all of that.


ever since superstars teaming up and not wanting to beat each other, i'd say yes college basketball is better at this point. so you're exactly right, this is not some college basketball or anything.

what exactly are we losing? a lot. you see, you guys are so in love with the idea of lebron coming here and forgot that he's a ticking bomb waiting to explode. if you're not familiar with lebrons drama antics then i suggest take a deeper look . don't get me wrong, lebron is one of the greatest player ever no doubt about it but signing him at this point of his career, a risk not worth taking.

no one said that we're too good not wanting him, i didn't say that but i love what we build here, i want it to stay that way and start from there. having lebron, he might make it better or ruin it that we don't know but like i said,no sir it's not the risk i'm willing to take as a fan.

what petty? the problem with some lakers fan, if you don't want lebron then you're a passionate kobe stan that don't know laker basketball. really? what's wrong with wanting to beat him instead? what's wrong with letting him win somewhere else and not use this organization for his so called legacy.

no one is beating golden state at this point then i don't get why by not wanting him is petty and snob.
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Post#220 » by stan francisco » Mon Sep 4, 2017 2:02 pm

AcecardZ wrote:Problem is neither of those two guys, PG13 and Cousins are winners...


Exactly. They're both whiners, negative.

If we instead sport a 1-4 lineup of

Ball
Klay
Ingram
LBJ...

... why on earth wouldn't AD demand to be traded here for the vet minimum? :-)
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