Who would win between the 95 Suns and 07 Suns in a 7 game series?

[bwgood77]

In my opinion, these were our best two teams despite them losing in the 2nd round due to crazy circumstances. Which team would you take? I imagine many will choose the 07 team simply because they didn't follow the 95 team. It's a tough choice for me. I thought they both had enough to win it all. In 07 though I don't think I felt the league was as tough overall as in 95, particularly the Western Conference.

[Qwigglez]

I think the '07 Suns since they are a lot younger.

[bwgood77]

I think the '07 Suns since they are a lot younger.

Haha....funny thing is maybe not given Amare's knees and Nash's back.

[DirtyDez]

07' because they weren't chokers. Moreso bad luck those years.

[sunsbum]

I think the 05 suns with JJ/JJ would beat the 95 suns but not the 07.

[KLEON]

A bit off topic but I always felt that the 2007 and 2010 team should've been NBA champs

[Big NBA Fan]

The suspensions definitely cost the Suns the 2007 championship- I think they would have beaten the Spurs in 7 games that year - and the 2010 team was awesome; even better than the 2007 team.

But it's hard for me to blame Stern too much for suspending STAT when he clearly violated the don't-leave-the-bench rule by running out to mid-court during the Raja/Horry altercation. You simply can't do that.

Stern was just following the NBA rule-book; Diaw's suspension was definitely questionable and not having him cost them that Game 5 and eventually the series.

I also would have suspended Horry for the remainder of the series for that whole situation to make sure he didn't play another second in that series.

So, I think the NBA got it right by suspending Amare, got it wrong with Diaw, and should have been more harsh on Horry.

The 2010 team had everything; size, shooting, depth, chemistry, and great coaching by Gentry.

Those teams with Matrix were great, but as Nash would later point out, they never had that elite defensive C like Tyson Chandler until they got Lopez.

With Lopez, they became the best version of the Suns during the Nash-era, in my opinion.

Plus, Mike D was definitely out-coached by Pop in 2008. Really badly. It's like he just checked out in the middle of that series after Duncan's 3 just deflated everybody.

And I feel the 2005 team should have won more than just 1 game that year in the WCF; and I don't buy that JJ injury cost them the series; they had him for the last 3 games and lost two of them and were knocked out on their home-court in Game 5.

The Spurs were just mentally tougher, better coached, better defensively, and deeper until 2010.

But Pop definitely out-coached Mike pretty much every-time they matched up; Pop has never lost to Mike D in the playoffs.

[KLEON]

The suspensions definitely cost the Suns the 2007 championship- I think they would have beaten the Spurs in 7 games that year - and the 2010 team was awesome; even better than the 2007 team.

But it's hard for me to blame Stern too much for suspending STAT when he clearly violated the don't-leave-the-bench rule by running out to mid-court during the Raja/Horry altercation. You simply can't do that.

Stern was just following the NBA rule-book; Diaw's suspension was definitely questionable and not having him cost them that Game 5 and eventually the series.

I also would have suspended Horry for the remainder of the series for that whole situation to make sure he didn't play another second in that series.

So, I think the NBA got it right by suspending Amare, got it wrong with Diaw, and should have been more harsh on Horry.

The 2010 team had everything; size, shooting, depth, chemistry, and great coaching by Gentry.

Those teams with Matrix were great, but as Nash would later point out, they never had that elite defensive C like Tyson Chandler until they got Lopez.

With Lopez, they became the best version of the Suns during the Nash-era, in my opinion.

Plus, Mike D was definitely out-coached by Pop in 2008. Really badly. It's like he just checked out in the middle of that series after Duncan's 3 just deflated everybody.

And I feel the 2005 team should have won more than just 1 game that year in the WCF; and I don't buy that JJ injury cost them the series; they had him for the last 3 games and lost two of them and were knocked out on their home-court in Game 5.

The Spurs were just mentally tougher, better coached, better defensively, and deeper until 2010.

But Pop definitely out-coached Mike pretty much every-time they matched up; Pop has never lost to Mike D in the playoffs.

Stern wrecked that series. I remember Bruce Bowen and Tim Duncan came on the court and they didn't got suspended and I think that was the series that Tim Donaghy fixed

[Damkac]

2022 Suns team would beat them both

[Jdiddy701]

2010 Suns my favorite


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[Phystic]

It's pretty remarkable match up when you compare the rosters...

Nash - KJ
Raja - Person
Marion - Finley
Barkley - Amare
Diaw - Manning
Thomas - Williams
Barbosa - Perry

I think '07 has the obvious edge with Athleticism and Shooting(3pt shot wasn't a big deal in the 90s), and honestly I'm not sure if the '95 team has an edge on either offense or defense. I'd lean to '95 for coaching. When I first saw this thread, my immediate response was '95 obviously! But looking at the two teams, I actually think that '07 team has the ability to shut down their two big perimeter players in KJ/Finley. I think Nash could easily be hidden on Person at the 3pt line. And Amare's crazy athleticism(even post surgery) would give Barkley trouble. Diaw/LB play Manning/Perry to a draw I think as they are almost identical in play style and strengths.

Not to continue this thread off track, but speaking on the suspensions.... I completely disagree with 'Big NBA Fan'. I think Stern had a completely justifiable reason to not suspend either Amare or Diaw. The way the rule is written does not match the intent of the rule. Having a player take a few steps away from the bench to see what happened or potentially check on a teammate but not go any closer is NOT equivalent to a player running off the bench during an altercation and either involving themselves or trying to separate it. Amare and Diaw were both stopped by the coaching staff and didn't interact with any players that were on the court. Stern literally rewarded the Spurs for Horry being a poor sport(even if Nash did embellish it a bit). And yes if I remember correctly there were a few moments where Duncan came off the bench(can't remember if it was this incident or another one, but I remember him walking on to the court just past the corner 3pt line), but nothing was done. It still baffles me that Amare/Diaw taking a few steps towards half court is such a big deal but all the cheap shorts Bowen unleashed were just brushed off as accidental contact. And don't even get started on the Donaghy involvement.

[bwgood77]

It's pretty remarkable match up when you compare the rosters...

Nash - KJ
Raja - Person
Marion - Finley
Barkley - Amare
Diaw - Manning
Thomas - Williams
Barbosa - Perry

I think '07 has the obvious edge with Athleticism and Shooting(3pt shot wasn't a big deal in the 90s), and honestly I'm not sure if the '95 team has an edge on either offense or defense. I'd lean to '95 for coaching. When I first saw this thread, my immediate response was '95 obviously! But looking at the two teams, I actually think that '07 team has the ability to shut down their two big perimeter players in KJ/Finley. I think Nash could easily be hidden on Person at the 3pt line. And Amare's crazy athleticism(even post surgery) would give Barkley trouble. Diaw/LB play Manning/Perry to a draw I think as they are almost identical in play style and strengths.

Not to continue this thread off track, but speaking on the suspensions.... I completely disagree with 'Big NBA Fan'. I think Stern had a completely justifiable reason to not suspend either Amare or Diaw. The way the rule is written does not match the intent of the rule. Having a player take a few steps away from the bench to see what happened or potentially check on a teammate but not go any closer is NOT equivalent to a player running off the bench during an altercation and either involving themselves or trying to separate it. Amare and Diaw were both stopped by the coaching staff and didn't interact with any players that were on the court. Stern literally rewarded the Spurs for Horry being a poor sport(even if Nash did embellish it a bit). And yes if I remember correctly there were a few moments where Duncan came off the bench(can't remember if it was this incident or another one, but I remember him walking on to the court just past the corner 3pt line), but nothing was done. It still baffles me that Amare/Diaw taking a few steps towards half court is such a big deal but all the cheap shorts Bowen unleashed were just brushed off as accidental contact. And don't even get started on the Donaghy involvement.

I was talking the 94-95 Suns that lost in 7 to Houston. Finley wasn't drafted until after that series. The team had KJ, Barkley, Majerle, Person, Ainge, Green, Kleine, Tisdale.

Finley came on the next year.

95 and 07 were the two years I thought going into the playoffs we had the best chance of making the finals. And even though we lost in the 2nd round both times to the ultimate champs, we had the Rockets up 3-1 with two of the last three at home and couldn't win either, and then in 07 of course it as 2-2 with 2 of the last 3 at home, but the suspensions hurt us.

We ended up getting closer to the finals in 10, but I think we would have been harder pressed to beat Boston in those finals than the Knicks in 95 or of course the Cavs in 07, who got swept.

[Phystic]

It's pretty remarkable match up when you compare the rosters...

Nash - KJ
Raja - Person
Marion - Finley
Barkley - Amare
Diaw - Manning
Thomas - Williams
Barbosa - Perry

I think '07 has the obvious edge with Athleticism and Shooting(3pt shot wasn't a big deal in the 90s), and honestly I'm not sure if the '95 team has an edge on either offense or defense. I'd lean to '95 for coaching. When I first saw this thread, my immediate response was '95 obviously! But looking at the two teams, I actually think that '07 team has the ability to shut down their two big perimeter players in KJ/Finley. I think Nash could easily be hidden on Person at the 3pt line. And Amare's crazy athleticism(even post surgery) would give Barkley trouble. Diaw/LB play Manning/Perry to a draw I think as they are almost identical in play style and strengths.

Not to continue this thread off track, but speaking on the suspensions.... I completely disagree with 'Big NBA Fan'. I think Stern had a completely justifiable reason to not suspend either Amare or Diaw. The way the rule is written does not match the intent of the rule. Having a player take a few steps away from the bench to see what happened or potentially check on a teammate but not go any closer is NOT equivalent to a player running off the bench during an altercation and either involving themselves or trying to separate it. Amare and Diaw were both stopped by the coaching staff and didn't interact with any players that were on the court. Stern literally rewarded the Spurs for Horry being a poor sport(even if Nash did embellish it a bit). And yes if I remember correctly there were a few moments where Duncan came off the bench(can't remember if it was this incident or another one, but I remember him walking on to the court just past the corner 3pt line), but nothing was done. It still baffles me that Amare/Diaw taking a few steps towards half court is such a big deal but all the cheap shorts Bowen unleashed were just brushed off as accidental contact. And don't even get started on the Donaghy involvement.

I was talking the 94-95 Suns that lost in 7 to Houston. Finley wasn't drafted until after that series. The team had KJ, Barkley, Majerle, Person, Ainge, Green, Kleine, Tisdale.

Finley came on the next year.

95 and 07 were the two years I thought going into the playoffs we had the best chance of making the finals. And even though we lost in the 2nd round both times to the ultimate champs, we had the Rockets up 3-1 with two of the last three at home and couldn't win either, and then in 07 of course it as 2-2 with 2 of the last 3 at home, but the suspensions hurt us.

We ended up getting closer to the finals in 10, but I think we would have been harder pressed to beat Boston in those finals than the Knicks in 95 or of course the Cavs in 07, who got swept.

Oh, well think that would change it to definitely picking the '07 Suns I think. Majerle would help defensively a bit but the '07 Suns weren't that difficult on the perimeter. More so needed to have disciplined defense. As always it's very difficult to compare teams from different eras. If defenses were allowed to be a bit more physical then I'd take the '95 Suns take it as they are the better half court team. If the game was more offensively focused I'd take the '07 Suns. But rules as a nonfactor, I think I'd take the '07 Suns.

[bwgood77]

It's pretty remarkable match up when you compare the rosters...

Nash - KJ
Raja - Person
Marion - Finley
Barkley - Amare
Diaw - Manning
Thomas - Williams
Barbosa - Perry

I think '07 has the obvious edge with Athleticism and Shooting(3pt shot wasn't a big deal in the 90s), and honestly I'm not sure if the '95 team has an edge on either offense or defense. I'd lean to '95 for coaching. When I first saw this thread, my immediate response was '95 obviously! But looking at the two teams, I actually think that '07 team has the ability to shut down their two big perimeter players in KJ/Finley. I think Nash could easily be hidden on Person at the 3pt line. And Amare's crazy athleticism(even post surgery) would give Barkley trouble. Diaw/LB play Manning/Perry to a draw I think as they are almost identical in play style and strengths.

Not to continue this thread off track, but speaking on the suspensions.... I completely disagree with 'Big NBA Fan'. I think Stern had a completely justifiable reason to not suspend either Amare or Diaw. The way the rule is written does not match the intent of the rule. Having a player take a few steps away from the bench to see what happened or potentially check on a teammate but not go any closer is NOT equivalent to a player running off the bench during an altercation and either involving themselves or trying to separate it. Amare and Diaw were both stopped by the coaching staff and didn't interact with any players that were on the court. Stern literally rewarded the Spurs for Horry being a poor sport(even if Nash did embellish it a bit). And yes if I remember correctly there were a few moments where Duncan came off the bench(can't remember if it was this incident or another one, but I remember him walking on to the court just past the corner 3pt line), but nothing was done. It still baffles me that Amare/Diaw taking a few steps towards half court is such a big deal but all the cheap shorts Bowen unleashed were just brushed off as accidental contact. And don't even get started on the Donaghy involvement.

I was talking the 94-95 Suns that lost in 7 to Houston. Finley wasn't drafted until after that series. The team had KJ, Barkley, Majerle, Person, Ainge, Green, Kleine, Tisdale.

Finley came on the next year.

95 and 07 were the two years I thought going into the playoffs we had the best chance of making the finals. And even though we lost in the 2nd round both times to the ultimate champs, we had the Rockets up 3-1 with two of the last three at home and couldn't win either, and then in 07 of course it as 2-2 with 2 of the last 3 at home, but the suspensions hurt us.

We ended up getting closer to the finals in 10, but I think we would have been harder pressed to beat Boston in those finals than the Knicks in 95 or of course the Cavs in 07, who got swept.

Oh, well think that would change it to definitely picking the '07 Suns I think. Majerle would help defensively a bit but the '07 Suns weren't that difficult on the perimeter. More so needed to have disciplined defense. As always it's very difficult to compare teams from different eras. If defenses were allowed to be a bit more physical then I'd take the '95 Suns take it as they are the better half court team. If the game was more offensively focused I'd take the '07 Suns. But rules as a nonfactor, I think I'd take the '07 Suns.

I don't really understand why that would change it. The 94-95 Suns were 59-23 and the 2 seed and Majerle had been an all star, won a gold medal at the 94 FIBA games and won a gold medal at the 98 olympics. The 95-96 Suns were 41-41, KJ played about half the season and was breaking down, and Majerle had been traded for Hot Rod Williams, which ended up being a bad trade as he averaged 7 ppg and 6 rpg. The team was clearly no longer a contender because of that move and their health which is why they then traded Barkley for Cassell and Horry. Then that trade didn't work out so they traded Cassell and Finley for Kidd and to trade Horry after he threw a towel at Coach Ainge...seen here. http://nbatrades.tumblr.com/post/35508726629/lakers-acquire-robert-horry-in-four-player-deal

and trade Horry to the Lakers to get Ceballos back.

[bwgood77]

It's pretty remarkable match up when you compare the rosters...

Nash - KJ
Raja - Person
Marion - Finley
Barkley - Amare
Diaw - Manning
Thomas - Williams
Barbosa - Perry

I think '07 has the obvious edge with Athleticism and Shooting(3pt shot wasn't a big deal in the 90s), and honestly I'm not sure if the '95 team has an edge on either offense or defense. I'd lean to '95 for coaching. When I first saw this thread, my immediate response was '95 obviously! But looking at the two teams, I actually think that '07 team has the ability to shut down their two big perimeter players in KJ/Finley. I think Nash could easily be hidden on Person at the 3pt line. And Amare's crazy athleticism(even post surgery) would give Barkley trouble. Diaw/LB play Manning/Perry to a draw I think as they are almost identical in play style and strengths.

Not to continue this thread off track, but speaking on the suspensions.... I completely disagree with 'Big NBA Fan'. I think Stern had a completely justifiable reason to not suspend either Amare or Diaw. The way the rule is written does not match the intent of the rule. Having a player take a few steps away from the bench to see what happened or potentially check on a teammate but not go any closer is NOT equivalent to a player running off the bench during an altercation and either involving themselves or trying to separate it. Amare and Diaw were both stopped by the coaching staff and didn't interact with any players that were on the court. Stern literally rewarded the Spurs for Horry being a poor sport(even if Nash did embellish it a bit). And yes if I remember correctly there were a few moments where Duncan came off the bench(can't remember if it was this incident or another one, but I remember him walking on to the court just past the corner 3pt line), but nothing was done. It still baffles me that Amare/Diaw taking a few steps towards half court is such a big deal but all the cheap shorts Bowen unleashed were just brushed off as accidental contact. And don't even get started on the Donaghy involvement.

I was talking the 94-95 Suns that lost in 7 to Houston. Finley wasn't drafted until after that series. The team had KJ, Barkley, Majerle, Person, Ainge, Green, Kleine, Tisdale.

Finley came on the next year.

95 and 07 were the two years I thought going into the playoffs we had the best chance of making the finals. And even though we lost in the 2nd round both times to the ultimate champs, we had the Rockets up 3-1 with two of the last three at home and couldn't win either, and then in 07 of course it as 2-2 with 2 of the last 3 at home, but the suspensions hurt us.

We ended up getting closer to the finals in 10, but I think we would have been harder pressed to beat Boston in those finals than the Knicks in 95 or of course the Cavs in 07, who got swept.

Oh, well think that would change it to definitely picking the '07 Suns I think. Majerle would help defensively a bit but the '07 Suns weren't that difficult on the perimeter. More so needed to have disciplined defense. As always it's very difficult to compare teams from different eras. If defenses were allowed to be a bit more physical then I'd take the '95 Suns take it as they are the better half court team. If the game was more offensively focused I'd take the '07 Suns. But rules as a nonfactor, I think I'd take the '07 Suns.

I don't really understand why that would change it. The 94-95 Suns were 59-23 and the 2 seed and Majerle had been an all star, won a gold medal at the 94 FIBA games and won a gold medal at the 98 olympics. The 95-96 Suns were 41-41, KJ played about half the season and was breaking down, and Majerle had been traded for Hot Rod Williams, which ended up being a bad trade as he averaged 7 ppg and 6 rpg. The team was clearly no longer a contender because of that move and their health which is why they then traded Barkley for Cassell and Horry. Then that trade didn't work out so they traded Cassell and Finley for Kidd and to trade Horry after he threw a towel at Coach Ainge...seen here. http://nbatrades.tumblr.com/post/35508726629/lakers-acquire-robert-horry-in-four-player-deal

and trade Horry to the Lakers to get Ceballos back.

[Phystic]

I was talking the 94-95 Suns that lost in 7 to Houston. Finley wasn't drafted until after that series. The team had KJ, Barkley, Majerle, Person, Ainge, Green, Kleine, Tisdale.

Finley came on the next year.

95 and 07 were the two years I thought going into the playoffs we had the best chance of making the finals. And even though we lost in the 2nd round both times to the ultimate champs, we had the Rockets up 3-1 with two of the last three at home and couldn't win either, and then in 07 of course it as 2-2 with 2 of the last 3 at home, but the suspensions hurt us.

We ended up getting closer to the finals in 10, but I think we would have been harder pressed to beat Boston in those finals than the Knicks in 95 or of course the Cavs in 07, who got swept.

Oh, well think that would change it to definitely picking the '07 Suns I think. Majerle would help defensively a bit but the '07 Suns weren't that difficult on the perimeter. More so needed to have disciplined defense. As always it's very difficult to compare teams from different eras. If defenses were allowed to be a bit more physical then I'd take the '95 Suns take it as they are the better half court team. If the game was more offensively focused I'd take the '07 Suns. But rules as a nonfactor, I think I'd take the '07 Suns.

I don't really understand why that would change it. The 94-95 Suns were 59-23 and the 2 seed and Majerle had been an all star, won a gold medal at the 94 FIBA games and won a gold medal at the 98 olympics. The 95-96 Suns were 41-41, KJ played about half the season and was breaking down, and Majerle had been traded for Hot Rod Williams, which ended up being a bad trade as he averaged 7 ppg and 6 rpg. The team was clearly no longer a contender because of that move and their health which is why they then traded Barkley for Cassell and Horry. Then that trade didn't work out so they traded Cassell and Finley for Kidd and to trade Horry after he threw a towel at Coach Ainge...seen here. http://nbatrades.tumblr.com/post/35508726629/lakers-acquire-robert-horry-in-four-player-deal

and trade Horry to the Lakers to get Ceballos back.

I guess I shouldn't have said change it, I think either one the '07 will probably take it, depending on rules being used. Part of me thinks a younger Finley may matchup better with some of the athleticism the '07 team has but that's probably unlikely. But you're right that Hot Rod wouldn't even make it on the court against the more agile '07. '95 would probably fair better with Ainge and Majerle giving them some veteran boost. As much as I think Manning and Diaw would be fun to watch, '95 has nobody that can keep pace with Marion. And Amare's quickness and athleticism would be a nightmare for Barkley, Tisdale, and Kleine.

I would like to see Richard Dumas in today's NBA.