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[Diggr14]

I don't think there's any question that Boston got worse this summer.

Agreed.

I think Ainge is hoping the moves they made can lead to acquiring another superstar.

I disagree

Kyrie + Hayward > IT and Crowder.

Especially come playoff time. That extra superstar is probably already on their roster. I really like Tatum going forward.

[mademan]

I don't think there's any question that Boston got worse this summer.

Agreed.

I think Ainge is hoping the moves they made can lead to acquiring another superstar.

I disagree

Kyrie + Hayward > IT and Crowder.

Especially come playoff time. That extra superstar is probably already on their roster. I really like Tatum going forward.

But are they (+morris) better than IT/Crowder/Bradley? I dont think so. And I think IT had a pretty magical season last year thats very unlikely to be matched by Kyrie (regardless if you think Kyrie is better)

[Fotis St]

I disagree

Kyrie + Hayward > IT and Crowder.

Especially come playoff time. That extra superstar is probably already on their roster. I really like Tatum going forward.

This is an additional reason why I wanted Kyrie so badly.

Kyrie , Hayward , Tatum in the hands of Brad Stevens is a real threat to dominate the East in the Future.

[mademan]

Kryie is going to have a huge offensive year. The Cavs offense while good still sucked scheme wise they just had talent. Kyrie took 6.1 3pa last year I guarantee that goes up a lot and probably around Curry level of 10/game. He also shot 44.5% on spot up 3s and 40% overall. He is going to have a huge offensive year under a coach that will know how to maximize his skills. Good pick for fantasy.

Oh and hes 25... and most players have their best years around 27/28. Still that we didn't offer more to get him.

You watch Kyrie play, and you realize he's got a lot of Kobe in him. Good and bad. He's ridiculously talented, but he has a tendency to take a lot of bad shots. It's not something that I believe a system can work out of him. He took 6 three's a game because he also likes to take a lot of midrange shots. He doesnt get to the FT line because he beleives he can makes finishes over the top of defenders instead of trying to draw the foul. It's a BBIQ problem; and for all his talents and skill, he's a pretty dumb player, on both sides of the ball.

[Diggr14]

I disagree

Kyrie + Hayward > IT and Crowder.

Especially come playoff time. That extra superstar is probably already on their roster. I really like Tatum going forward.

This is an additional reason why I wanted Kyrie so badly.

Kyrie , Hayward , Tatum in the hands of Brad Stevens is a real threat to dominate the East in the Future.

Im glad he went there. Kyrie isn’t as valuable as the 2018 Brooklyn pick, Zizic, and a Max Level Cap Space spot IMO. But you’re right, he’s a good addition for them. He bridges the future and present perfectly. He’d be nice in Milwaukee, but my main problem with that is he is for sure only here 2 years. So, it makes zero sense. If we could lock him up for 2+5... then i’d have been all for it.

[Diggr14]

Would anyone offer hot garbage GP3 for Cameron Payne and his ailing foot?

Since the Bulls think he can’t play in the NBA?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

kyrie doesn't give the celts a damn thing that IT didn't last year. if anything the trade ripped the soul of what they had for the soul of something different that could even be full of disease.

now whether Hayward/morris and a bunch of rookies is better than crowder/Bradleyjohnson/olynk..... that is more of a mesh type thing but there is obviously more talent there over the next 5 years than there was last year. I guess we'll see if that is an upgrade or not as it works out to wins in the shortterm. should be an interesting season for them.

[Diggr14]

I think the big part of the trade that we don’t really talk about a lot is that the Celtics really didnt want to have to max out IT going forward. Contracts like that could be crippling, especially if you give it to a guy with a major hip problem. It’s not like he has the measurables to compensate either. He needs to be in perfect shape to be effective and he isn’t 21/22 like a guy like Jabari Parker is either.

[ReginaldDwight]

kyrie doesn't give the celts a damn thing that IT didn't last year. if anything the trade ripped the soul of what they had for the soul of something that could be full of disease.

now whether Hayward/morris is better than crowder/Bradley..... that is more of a mesh type thing but there is probably more talent there. I guess we'll see if that is an upgrade or not as it works out to wins. should be an interesting season for them.

IT cant play this year so the trade is much easier to take i think.

[jschligs]

kyrie doesn't give the celts a damn thing that IT didn't last year. if anything the trade ripped the soul of what they had for the soul of something that could be full of disease.

now whether Hayward/morris is better than crowder/Bradley..... that is more of a mesh type thing but there is probably more talent there. I guess we'll see if that is an upgrade or not as it works out to wins. should be an interesting season for them.

IT cant play this year so the trade is much easier to take i think.

I get this argument, but Cleveland doesn't care about the first 20-60 games of the season. They'll be 1 or 2 seed even with Rose as starting PG for the beginning. Once IT comes back, the trade is clearly favoring the Cavs.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

kyrie doesn't give the celts a damn thing that IT didn't last year. if anything the trade ripped the soul of what they had for the soul of something that could be full of disease.

now whether Hayward/morris is better than crowder/Bradley..... that is more of a mesh type thing but there is probably more talent there. I guess we'll see if that is an upgrade or not as it works out to wins. should be an interesting season for them.

IT cant play this year so the trade is much easier to take i think.

perhaps the trade will allow them to win 50 games again like they did last year. I was talking more along the lines of whether theyre going to be better because of it.

[pifhluk23]

Kyrie is a clear upgrade over IT. It's not even worth arguing, if you don't get it then you are just stubborn or stupid or both.

[Diggr14]

Kyrie is a clear upgrade over IT. It's not even worth arguing, if you don't get it then you are just stubborn or stupid or both.

Based on last season’s stats.. you’d be very wrong.

However, going forward, I agree. Especially with ITs injury.


No reason to insult people on here, they just have a different opinion man.

[blazza18]

Kyrie is clearly more talented and younger but I'm not sure if he can have a good a season as Thomas did last season offensively.

[fan230]

Yes we missed getting Kyrie. In fact, our team is pretty much the same as last year's; if Jason Terry returns it will become even more similar. Our front office was unable to get any player that could make a big difference.

So with the almost same team, do we expect the team to perform much better or even somewhat better than last year?

Also with out a good new player, it seems rather boring. Anyway, the 1st year of Giannis's new 4 year contract will have no significantly better new players. 3 years left.

[Prince12]

Yes we missed getting Kyrie. In fact, our team is pretty much the same as last year's; if Jason Terry returns it will become even more similar. Our front office was unable to get any player that could make a big difference.

So with the almost same team, do we expect the team to perform much better or even somewhat better than last year?

Also with out a good new player, it seems rather boring. Anyway, the 1st year of Giannis's new 4 year contract will have no significantly better new players. 3 years left.

You know, sometimes when you have a really, really young group it's ok to stand pat and not make a move for the sake of it.

[thomchatt3rton]

Yep. And boring? I think theres plenty to look forward to- Will Thon take a step? How will Middleton return from that injury (Will he be in shape? ). What about Jabari? Is there more development from the Brogdog or has he already hit his ceiling?
And if thats not enough- Giannis!


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[Prez]

Internal development & continuity are seriously underrated. We're going to be significantly better by those two alone.

[H2tObes]

I also think people are underrating the impact a full year of Middleton will have, we were a legitimately good team with Mids until he ran out of gas. It definitely isn't going to be boring if we win close to 50 games, I'll have a blast in fact

[blazza18]

Few jobs on the line if they don't improve. No excuses this year.