Series thread: Nationals @ Brewers

[blazza18]

We can beat anyone as long as it's not the Giants in San Francisco. Or the Phillies in Philly.

[bizarro]

God damn, I want to care about October baseball! This season is amazing. We just took 5 of 7 from LA and Washington. Just get us into the playoffs. Stay true to the September call-ups. Don't start Garza again. Don't start Guerra. That's all I ask.

[wichmae]

Braun on pace for his second lowest OPS and lowest OPS+ of his career. We should've traded him.

Inb4 we couldn't have gotten anything for him!

No ****, there's a reason for that.

I never understood the logic that he would age well. He showed signs of decline and injury susceptibility typical of a 35-year-old years ago already, and that stuff all just gets worse with age. Just trading him and one year of his salary for Puig should have been a slam dunk if that was the best offer available.

I enjoy planning ahead and thinking about what kind of lineups the Brewers could field a few years from now. And literally every single time I think of a dream lineup, Braun is in there clogging up the works because he'll take up a roster spot and won't play any position well (should be a DH) and will be making twice as much as anyone on the team. And he's got a full no-trade clause to boot. It sucks.

The rumored offer was Puig, McCarthy, Willie Calhoun, and Imani Abdullah for Braun. LAD nixed the deal. I bet if we had asked for lessor prospects the deal would have been done.

[sdn40]

Braun on pace for his second lowest OPS and lowest OPS+ of his career. We should've traded him.

Inb4 we couldn't have gotten anything for him!

No ****, there's a reason for that.

I never understood the logic that he would age well. He showed signs of decline and injury susceptibility typical of a 35-year-old years ago already, and that stuff all just gets worse with age. Just trading him and one year of his salary for Puig should have been a slam dunk if that was the best offer available.

I enjoy planning ahead and thinking about what kind of lineups the Brewers could field a few years from now. And literally every single time I think of a dream lineup, Braun is in there clogging up the works because he'll take up a roster spot and won't play any position well (should be a DH) and will be making twice as much as anyone on the team. And he's got a full no-trade clause to boot. It sucks.

The rumored offer was Puig, McCarthy, Willie Calhoun, and Imani Abdullah for Braun. LAD nixed the deal. I bet if we had asked for lessor prospects the deal would have been done.

Don't forget Puig was a dumpster fire both on and off the field at that time. It looked like his career was over. Make sure the hindsight stays 20/20. Also at that same time, Braun was the only guy left to buy a ticket for. I still think MA kept him around because he was the only face left of the franchise as we were beginning the purge. Also, for some reason I can't imagine Puig would be happy here, especially if the re-build wasn't so far ahead of schedule.

[wichmae]

I never understood the logic that he would age well. He showed signs of decline and injury susceptibility typical of a 35-year-old years ago already, and that stuff all just gets worse with age. Just trading him and one year of his salary for Puig should have been a slam dunk if that was the best offer available.

I enjoy planning ahead and thinking about what kind of lineups the Brewers could field a few years from now. And literally every single time I think of a dream lineup, Braun is in there clogging up the works because he'll take up a roster spot and won't play any position well (should be a DH) and will be making twice as much as anyone on the team. And he's got a full no-trade clause to boot. It sucks.

The rumored offer was Puig, McCarthy, Willie Calhoun, and Imani Abdullah for Braun. LAD nixed the deal. I bet if we had asked for lessor prospects the deal would have been done.

Don't forget Puig was a dumpster fire both on and off the field at that time. It looked like his career was over. Make sure the hindsight stays 20/20. Also at that same time, Braun was the only guy left to buy a ticket for. I still think MA kept him around because he was the only face left of the franchise as we were beginning the purge. Also, for some reason I can't imagine Puig would be happy here, especially if the re-build wasn't so far ahead of schedule.

Puig was a reclamation. The trade was nixed because he basically turned it around. Also I refuse to believe having a "name to buy a ticket for" coming off a 73 win season after clearing house would trump better the team/product long term. Especially when that name is highly tainted. It alos matters zero if Puig would have been happy or not. He had gotten demoted to AAA from LAD, and any MLB squad, especially one at that time looking for a new face to sell tix be a turn off. Braun will be this teams boat anchor for the next 3 years.

[El Duderino]

Don't forget Puig was a dumpster fire both on and off the field at that time. It looked like his career was over. Make sure the hindsight stays 20/20. Also at that same time, Braun was the only guy left to buy a ticket for.

I don't get why so many people say this about players. Maybe i just hang with different folks, but i've yet to ever meet a single person who has said they were going to attend a baseball game mainly just to see a player on that team.

The vast vast majority of people attend games for these reasons.

1. Simply for something to do on a nice summer day.

2. To tailgait with friends/family and then watch a game.

3. Being a baseball fan who enjoys seeing games in person.

4. A team is in a playoff chase and people want to be part of the excitement.

If the team was bad, but Braun was playing well, he wouldn't effect the attendance in a noticeable way at all.

[coolhandluke121]

The rumored offer was Puig, McCarthy, Willie Calhoun, and Imani Abdullah for Braun. LAD nixed the deal. I bet if we had asked for lessor prospects the deal would have been done.

Agreed. Keeping Braun should not have even been an option.

[coolhandluke121]

Don't forget Puig was a dumpster fire both on and off the field at that time. It looked like his career was over.

Goes back to what twirly said. Don't come back and say we weren't getting any good offers for him. "No **** we didn't get any good offers for him. There's a reason for that." It's because there was probably better than an 80% chance most of the rest of Braun's career would be like this year and nobody wants that on their damn team. Neither do I, and neither should any other Brewer fan.

[GB_Packers]

Wrong about Braun then, STILL wrong about him now. Let it go.

[ReasonablySober]

Brawn was carrying a .918 OPS a little over two weeks ago. Weird how people seem to forget how good he's been all season (when healthy, of course).

[BUCKnation]

I don't have a big problem with Braun. He was really productive last year and this year his struggles have been overblown. His babip is the lowest in his career and his RISP numbers are pretty terrible this year, which are big contributing factors of the opinion of him, especially the latter.

[coolhandluke121]

Brawn was carrying a .918 OPS a little over two weeks ago. Weird how people seem to forget how good he's been all season (when healthy, of course).

Weird how people forget how rarely he's been healthy. And you can't pick and choose a few weeks ago to evaluate what kind of season he's had. The last few weeks weren't some mirage and it's only gonna get worse as he hits his mid-30's. And that half a WAR hardly qualifies for "how good he's been all season".

[ReasonablySober]

Brawn was carrying a .918 OPS a little over two weeks ago. Weird how people seem to forget how good he's been all season (when healthy, of course).

Weird how people forget how rarely he's been healthy. And you can't pick and choose a few weeks ago to evaluate what kind of season he's had. The last few weeks weren't some mirage and it's only gonna get worse as he hits his mid-30's. And that half a WAR hardly qualifies for "how good he's been all season".

What? He's been cold lately. It happens. On the year as a whole he's been really good.

[coolhandluke121]

What? He's been cold lately. It happens. On the year as a whole he's been really good.

Pretty sure his stats include the whole year, and they're NOT really good. Especially when you consider his salary, his constant injuries and days off, his defense, and the opportunity cost of not trading him. And most of those things are only going to get worse.

[ReasonablySober]

Nah, he's been really good.

[wichmae]

Nah, he's been really good.

The numbers just dont agree with you DB. A 110 wRC+ (100 is league average) and a negative defensive WAR by quite a bit. He had a good April then got hurt. Was bad until June where he had a great June but outside of that he hasnt been good. He's been god awful with RISP with a .618 OPS. Braun is a shell of a player where he can be counted on to really produce in about 60-80 games a year.

[Iheartfootball]

Nah, he's been really good.

The numbers just dont agree with you DB. A 110 wRC+ (100 is league average) and a negative defensive WAR by quite a bit. He had a good April then got hurt. Was bad until June where he had a great June but outside of that he hasnt been good. He's been god awful with RISP with a .618 OPS.

He had some bad luck a few months ago. I watched those ABs and he was hitting the ball hard.

[Tfence92]

Nah, he's been really good.

The numbers just dont agree with you DB. A 110 wRC+ (100 is league average) and a negative defensive WAR by quite a bit. He had a good April then got hurt. Was bad until June where he had a great June but outside of that he hasnt been good. He's been god awful with RISP with a .618 OPS. Braun is a shell of a player where he can be counted on to really produce in about 60-80 games a year.

Has he not always been a negative WAR for defense? He's never been any good out there.

And I think you're comparing Braun to his former MVP self as opposed to others. He hasn't been great this year but he's not God awful as you're suggesting.

[wichmae]

I only referenced god awful referring to the RISP factor. I basically agreed that he hasnt been good, and he hasnt. He's been replacement level this year.