Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

BBALLER4FR · Post #1521 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:24 am

This was really all I needed.

Watch on YouTube

thebuzzardman · Post #1522 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 10:04 am

He's not KAT,Embiid,Jokic and Antetokounmpo all rolled into one, so big disappointment so far.

April madness · Post #1523 » by **April madness** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 10:10 am

thebuzzardman wrote:He's not KAT,Embiid,Jokic and Antetokounmpo all rolled into one, so big disappointment so far.

He's not even Markkanen, and Lauri hasn't played an NBA game yet :-?

thebuzzardman · Post #1524 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 11:53 am

BBALLER4FR wrote:This was really all I needed.

Watch on YouTube

Watching this, I can't really see the narrative Porzingis "needs a post game". He has it. What he needs most is strength to hold position, consistency, and recognition, which don't show in the highlights, but we all remember it from watching the games. I mean, I guess he could add a move or two, but at his height, in that compilation, all the moves needed for success are there. Again, consistency.

I'd still like to see that Ewing drive across the lane added though. With the outside shot, it'd be a terror.

thebuzzardman · Post #1525 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 11:57 am

Also, this might seem counter intuitive because KP is a very good 3 point shooter, and I get that anything above .333 for 3 is better than .500 for 2, but KP is so good with the 12-15 foot jump shot the Knicks should set that up often.

fatalogic · Post #1526 » by **fatalogic** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 4:58 pm

I think people really underestimate how young he is. Everyone says he should do this or do that but he is going into his 3rd year. For most players their first 4 years are their worst. If we are witnessing his floor right now then we should have high hopes for his ceiling. Just give it time, if our front office plays it's cards right we could be seeing him play for 15+ years in a Knick uniform.

kNicksGmen · Post #1527 » by **kNicksGmen** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 5:24 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
BBALLER4FR wrote:This was really all I needed.

Watch on YouTube

Watching this, I can't really see the narrative Porzingis "needs a post game". He has it. What he needs most is strength to hold position, consistency, and recognition, which don't show in the highlights, but we all remember it from watching the games. I mean, I guess he could add a move or two, but at his height, in that compilation, all the moves needed for success are there. Again, consistency.

I'd still like to see that Ewing drive across the lane added though. With the outside shot, it'd be a terror.

he needs more post moves going towards the hoop. almost every shot he takes in the post is a fade away.

it's mainly because of strength though like you said.

thebuzzardman · Post #1528 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 5:30 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
BBALLER4FR wrote:This was really all I needed.

Watch on YouTube

Watching this, I can't really see the narrative Porzingis "needs a post game". He has it. What he needs most is strength to hold position, consistency, and recognition, which don't show in the highlights, but we all remember it from watching the games. I mean, I guess he could add a move or two, but at his height, in that compilation, all the moves needed for success are there. Again, consistency.

I'd still like to see that Ewing drive across the lane added though. With the outside shot, it'd be a terror.

he needs more post moves going towards the hoop. almost every shot he takes in the post is a fade away.

it's mainly because of strength though like you said.

I think there are more moves than you think towards the hoop. Watch again. Then again, it's a highlight. I don't care if he fades or squares and shoots. He's tall enough.

Wolfgang630 · Post #1529 » by **Wolfgang630** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 5:36 pm

KP needs more post moves. He can't face up and shoot over everyone. He does get his shots blocked a lot I've noticed. The dirk fadeaway and using hooks (SKYHOOK) are great for him.

Triple C · Post #1530 » by **Triple C** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 5:37 pm

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thebuzzardman · Post #1531 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:06 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:KP needs more post moves. He can't face up and shoot over everyone. He does get his shots blocked a lot I've noticed. The dirk fadeaway and using hooks (SKYHOOK) are great for him.

I only recall it getting blocked like 2 times.

Plumlee on Portland.
Who else? I can't say I watch every second of every game though.

JohnWillow · Post #1532 » by **JohnWillow** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:12 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:KP needs more post moves. He can't face up and shoot over everyone. He does get his shots blocked a lot I've noticed. The dirk fadeaway and using hooks (SKYHOOK) are great for him.

I only recall it getting blocked like 2 times.

Plumlee on Portland.
Who else? I can't say I watch every second of every game though.

Today vs Great Britain he was blocked :lol:

ChaosHamster · Post #1533 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:22 pm

JohnWillow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:KP needs more post moves. He can't face up and shoot over everyone. He does get his shots blocked a lot I've noticed. The dirk fadeaway and using hooks (SKYHOOK) are great for him.

I only recall it getting blocked like 2 times.

Plumlee on Portland.
Who else? I can't say I watch every second of every game though.

Today vs Great Britain he was blocked

Also Belgian center blocked him, and it was a good fadeaway.

Today I felt he kind of tried to shoot a lazy one.. didn't lean back as much.

But to be fair, that Belgian dude is leading shot blocker in Belgian league. Pretty athletic.

ChilledAlex · Post #1534 » by **ChilledAlex** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 12:53 pm

Is it just me or does anybody else think KP is extremely selfish and has insanely low BBiq?

Post #1535 » by **GONYK** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 1:01 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:Is it just me or is anybody else a troll?

fixed

ChilledAlex · Post #1536 » by **ChilledAlex** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 1:04 pm

GONYK wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:Is it just me or is anybody else a troll?

fixed

Think about it... he has zero instincts offensively and defensively and he has never created for anybody else. I watched Latvia play and I came to conclusion that he's fools gold with great physical gifts

Post #1537 » by **GONYK** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 1:18 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
GONYK wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:Is it just me or is anybody else a troll?

fixed

Think about it... he has zero instincts offensively and defensively and he has never created for anybody else. I watched Latvia play and I came to conclusion that he's fools gold with great physical gifts

thebuzzardman · Post #1538 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 1:31 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:Is it just me or does anybody else think KP is extremely selfish and has insanely low BBiq?

Trying to set up a theme for the post Melo years?

ChilledAlex · Post #1539 » by **ChilledAlex** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 2:22 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:Is it just me or does anybody else think KP is extremely selfish and has insanely low BBiq?

Trying to set up a theme for the post Melo years?

Idk I just see so many flaws that are not related to his physical condition or strength that I need to vent through this board

thebuzzardman · Post #1540 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 4:13 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:Is it just me or does anybody else think KP is extremely selfish and has insanely low BBiq?

Trying to set up a theme for the post Melo years?

Idk I just see so many flaws that are not related to his physical condition or strength that I need to vent through this board

Hmm. I'll bite.

Selfish - Not seeing it. In fact, I thought KP was pretty deferential in his style of play and wished he would have called for the ball more, even in his rookie year and especially in his 2nd year. One of the reasons I thought he was a good "triangle" player was the fact that he moved the ball, didn't hold it, and played like he thought it would come back. By triangle, in this case, I really mean any team oriented style of play where the ball moves. Ultimately, that's what Phil was about, he just got too rigidly hung up on the triangle itself, in it's pure form. Who knows, maybe that could have worked if he coached it. Did KP force some shots in the NBA? Yeah, but it didn't feel like a ton. Now, in FIBA - has he forced it maybe just a little more? I think so, but he's still playing the team's system, and don't we sort of want him to force a few shots, as Knicks should want him to have "the man" mentality? Plus he is the star of the Latvian team. KP also seems a willing enough passer, in terms of setting up a guy for a bucket, making the pass to the pass to the assist etc. I'll go over passing a little more below.

Insanely low BBall IQ - This is a little different. First of all, I'll assume you are frustrated by KP's lack of Bball IQ at times and are exaggerating. I hope. I think his Bball IQ, in terms of court awareness, needs work. I don't think it's a 100% of the time thing or all situations thing. But his Bball IQ is spotty at times. Now, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I pretty distinctly remember draft profiles on him, that had as "knocks" that his bball IQ/situational awareness needed work (offense and defense), that he could tend to 'drift' in games and rebounding could be better. I'd say that those assessments were true. I also think that many fans feelings towards KP went from "he's a project" -> "wow, he can see minutes" -> "He should start but he'll probably be raw" -> "He's not as raw as we thought" -> "Wow, he's progressing pretty quickly, but still a work in progress" -> "He's pretty good, but needs a post game" to "Why isn't he a star yet?"-> "I'm disappointed"

New paragraph to avoid the block of text. So, his offensive awareness could be better. He needs work in the P&R, in terms of when to set a hard pick, when to show, when to slip and spacing. If you could combine Willies post/P&R skills with KP, I think we'd be talking top 5 player in the game. Now, Willie and KP - KP has 1 NBA pro year on him and I'd assume the lifetime amount of basketball is similar. Yet Willie's understanding of spacing is much more advanced. KP may never get to this level. It's a form of talent, a kind of talent. And passing is part of that. Also, I used to be annoyed that KP wouldn't get passes from the Knicks guards last year, and of course Rose would have tunnel vision, but even CLee and Holiday would look him off, or what looked like it. I noticed, and pretty sure others on here brought it up, that KP wouldn't always be in the best location - I mean besides screens.
But again, while it was noticeable enough, I don't think it was screamingly bad. Not unlike "selfishness". I've seen the Harrington's play on the Knicks. I know what a black hole on offense looks like.

Ok, I think I had a little more or more eloquent way to say this, but I started this typing at 9 and got tied up in work until 12.