What do you expect from Ron Baker , Frank Ntilikina, Ramon Sessions and the point guard position as a whole in 2017-18?

[Jeff Van Gully]

sessions is soooooo the starter, at least at the beginning of the season. he may take a backseat, but they're not throwing frank right into the fire.

the whole point of signing sessions was to show frank how to handle all of this. he won't need much, but you at least get this out of sessions.

this is all for frank. all for his own good.

Right?

For some reason people can't handle simple reality around here at times

The Sixers doing what they did really warped a lot of people into thinking Rookies are supposed to start and play 30 minutes a game. Some are built for it, but most are not. There are so many factors that people behind a computer screen don't even realize go into a young player's development. Travel (France is the size of just Texas) , style of play, language barrier (for some), playing in big arenas vs. small stadiums in France, time zones etc. I'd be cool if Frank didn't start this whole year tbh. As the youngest kid in the draft we can afford to take our time with him. He won't be 21 until his 3rd year in the league...

perspective

[vallen]

I expect frank to develop into a decent role player. The others arent worth talking about long term.

[Coeur]

Sign Jared Cunningham

[Iron Mantis]

Right?

For some reason people can't handle simple reality around here at times

It's true that they probably will not start Frank, but I am interested in your thoughts as to why is it better for his development to come off of the bench on this team as opposed to playing most of his minutes with KP.

From the small sample I've seen, the kid has a legit NBA-ready body and skill-set. His defense will have an immediate impact. He's been playing pro ball with adults. The offense will supposedly be heavy on player and ball movement so Frank will not have to dominate the ball.

There's no pressure on him at all as the Knicks are in full-rebuild mode. KP was thrown into the fire in a season where the guys actually had playoff aspirations and he turned out fine.

preseason will probably tell us what we need to know. but chances are a PG this young coming from a world away would benefit from a little bit of kid gloves and leadership by example at first.

on the other hand, not sure what the rush is to have him square up against the chris pauls and russell westbrooks of the world when you have access to a buffer who is clearly amenable to the concept.

KP was thrown up against against LMA, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, etc. and he turned out ok such matchups actually stoked his competitive fire.

I don't know much about Frank's personality, if he has an edge or if he is soft, fragile confidence, whatever. But I agree that definitely needs to be taken into consideration before throwing him out there.

Maybe I'm just spoiled with how KP is turning out after coming to the US, immediately being thrown into the fire, and meeting the challenge playing against the NBA's elite.

[Iron Mantis]

sessions is soooooo the starter, at least at the beginning of the season. he may take a backseat, but they're not throwing frank right into the fire.

the whole point of signing sessions was to show frank how to handle all of this. he won't need much, but you at least get this out of sessions.

this is all for frank. all for his own good.

Right?

For some reason people can't handle simple reality around here at times

The Sixers doing what they did really warped a lot of people into thinking Rookies are supposed to start and play 30 minutes a game. Some are built for it, but most are not. There are so many factors that people behind a computer screen don't even realize go into a young player's development. Travel (France is the size of just Texas) , style of play, language barrier (for some), playing in big arenas vs. small stadiums in France, time zones etc. I'd be cool if Frank didn't start this whole year tbh. As the youngest kid in the draft we can afford to take our time with him. He won't be 21 until his 3rd year in the league...

Can't knock what the Sixers did. They have a very promising future because of it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If he is held back because of kid gloves mentality...that's bad development. A smart approach though would be to start him off with limited minutes. Keep him fresher for the end of the year. If he proves he can handle the load you increase it. Avoid the rookie wall. Let him build confidence as he grows his minutes.

Who knows what he can handle at this point? He may come charging out of the gates. He may struggle. He's 19. I can't wait to see him play.

[Jeff Van Gully]

It's true that they probably will not start Frank, but I am interested in your thoughts as to why is it better for his development to come off of the bench on this team as opposed to playing most of his minutes with KP.

From the small sample I've seen, the kid has a legit NBA-ready body and skill-set. His defense will have an immediate impact. He's been playing pro ball with adults. The offense will supposedly be heavy on player and ball movement so Frank will not have to dominate the ball.

There's no pressure on him at all as the Knicks are in full-rebuild mode. KP was thrown into the fire in a season where the guys actually had playoff aspirations and he turned out fine.

preseason will probably tell us what we need to know. but chances are a PG this young coming from a world away would benefit from a little bit of kid gloves and leadership by example at first.

on the other hand, not sure what the rush is to have him square up against the chris pauls and russell westbrooks of the world when you have access to a buffer who is clearly amenable to the concept.

KP was thrown up against against LMA, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, etc. and he turned out ok such matchups actually stoked his competitive fire.

I don't know much about Frank's personality, if he has an edge or if he is soft, fragile confidence, whatever. But I agree that definitely needs to be taken into consideration before throwing him out there.

Maybe I'm just spoiled with how KP is turning out after coming to the US, immediately being thrown into the fire, and meeting the challenge playing against the NBA's elite.

i specified PGs tho. it's a little different for the floor general. the QB, so to speak.

mind you, i think frank is more ready than we might give him credit for. but we currently have a luxury to let him learn a complex job at the NBA level from a guy who's done it for some time. KP did a very different role on the fly, but he too had an OG. melo was there for him in the lineup. frank wouldn't have that.

this is the PG era. schidt is wild at the 1. i think if you have time and opportunity, why not bring your guy along?

[Jeff Van Gully]

If he is held back because of kid gloves mentality...that's bad development. A smart approach though would be to start him off with limited minutes. Keep him fresher for the end of the year. If he proves he can handle the load you increase it. Avoid the rookie wall. Let him build confidence as he grows his minutes.

Who knows what he can handle at this point? He may come charging out of the gates. He may struggle. He's 19. I can't wait to see him play.

agreed. if he's ready, he's ready. i'm sure he will get the nod as soon as we know he is. sessions knows what time it is.

[NoLayupRule]

sessions is soooooo the starter, at least at the beginning of the season. he may take a backseat, but they're not throwing frank right into the fire.

the whole point of signing sessions was to show frank how to handle all of this. he won't need much, but you at least get this out of sessions.

this is all for frank. all for his own good.

Right?

For some reason people can't handle simple reality around here at times

The Sixers doing what they did really warped a lot of people into thinking Rookies are supposed to start and play 30 minutes a game. Some are built for it, but most are not. There are so many factors that people behind a computer screen don't even realize go into a young player's development. Travel (France is the size of just Texas) , style of play, language barrier (for some), playing in big arenas vs. small stadiums in France, time zones etc. I'd be cool if Frank didn't start this whole year tbh. As the youngest kid in the draft we can afford to take our time with him. He won't be 21 until his 3rd year in the league...

Yes!
And again for some reason that has never truly been explained, people seem to be more eager to see this kid play than allow him to come along slowly and develop the way professionals deem best

Why? Because were trying to win games next year?
Clearly not!
So let's just let him develop and take his time and come along like the young guy he is

[NoLayupRule]

It's true that they probably will not start Frank, but I am interested in your thoughts as to why is it better for his development to come off of the bench on this team as opposed to playing most of his minutes with KP.

From the small sample I've seen, the kid has a legit NBA-ready body and skill-set. His defense will have an immediate impact. He's been playing pro ball with adults. The offense will supposedly be heavy on player and ball movement so Frank will not have to dominate the ball.

There's no pressure on him at all as the Knicks are in full-rebuild mode. KP was thrown into the fire in a season where the guys actually had playoff aspirations and he turned out fine.

preseason will probably tell us what we need to know. but chances are a PG this young coming from a world away would benefit from a little bit of kid gloves and leadership by example at first.

on the other hand, not sure what the rush is to have him square up against the chris pauls and russell westbrooks of the world when you have access to a buffer who is clearly amenable to the concept.

KP was thrown up against against LMA, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, etc. and he turned out ok such matchups actually stoked his competitive fire.

I don't know much about Frank's personality, if he has an edge or if he is soft, fragile confidence, whatever. But I agree that definitely needs to be taken into consideration before throwing him out there.

Maybe I'm just spoiled with how KP is turning out after coming to the US, immediately being thrown into the fire, and meeting the challenge playing against the NBA's elite.

Kp was put out their largely because he's so mature and an exceptional talent
But don't forget that the first year he had Rollo next to him in the second year, when pressure was on him more, he sustained some injuries

There's a reason that the professionals all agree that you bring young guys along slowly

[Iron Mantis]

preseason will probably tell us what we need to know. but chances are a PG this young coming from a world away would benefit from a little bit of kid gloves and leadership by example at first.

on the other hand, not sure what the rush is to have him square up against the chris pauls and russell westbrooks of the world when you have access to a buffer who is clearly amenable to the concept.

KP was thrown up against against LMA, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, etc. and he turned out ok such matchups actually stoked his competitive fire.

I don't know much about Frank's personality, if he has an edge or if he is soft, fragile confidence, whatever. But I agree that definitely needs to be taken into consideration before throwing him out there.

Maybe I'm just spoiled with how KP is turning out after coming to the US, immediately being thrown into the fire, and meeting the challenge playing against the NBA's elite.

Kp was put out their largely because he's so mature and an exceptional talent
But don't forget that the first year he had Rollo next to him in the second year, when pressure was on him more, he sustained some injuries

There's a reason that the professionals all agree that you bring young guys along slowly

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

[aq_ua]

KP was thrown up against against LMA, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, etc. and he turned out ok such matchups actually stoked his competitive fire.

I don't know much about Frank's personality, if he has an edge or if he is soft, fragile confidence, whatever. But I agree that definitely needs to be taken into consideration before throwing him out there.

Maybe I'm just spoiled with how KP is turning out after coming to the US, immediately being thrown into the fire, and meeting the challenge playing against the NBA's elite.

Kp was put out their largely because he's so mature and an exceptional talent
But don't forget that the first year he had Rollo next to him in the second year, when pressure was on him more, he sustained some injuries

There's a reason that the professionals all agree that you bring young guys along slowly

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

I think it's more about ensuring Frank picks up good habits on the floor while he's still developing. The NBA game can quickly devolve into free lancing, while we want Frank to be a fundamentally sound system player that understands the nuances to the game that can really make a big difference over his career. I think you need to spend time on the bench watching vets play up close to learn the tricks, particularly as a point guard. Otherwise, any young player like Frank runs the risk of becoming a player that relies too much on athleticism.

[EMG518]

I expect it to be ugly basketball

[NoLayupRule]

KP was thrown up against against LMA, Kevin Love, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, etc. and he turned out ok such matchups actually stoked his competitive fire.

I don't know much about Frank's personality, if he has an edge or if he is soft, fragile confidence, whatever. But I agree that definitely needs to be taken into consideration before throwing him out there.

Maybe I'm just spoiled with how KP is turning out after coming to the US, immediately being thrown into the fire, and meeting the challenge playing against the NBA's elite.

Kp was put out their largely because he's so mature and an exceptional talent
But don't forget that the first year he had Rollo next to him in the second year, when pressure was on him more, he sustained some injuries

There's a reason that the professionals all agree that you bring young guys along slowly

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

that just goes to show how out of touch you are with the reality of this situation

Frank has no pressure on him because you dont have expectations for the season?


dude

Frank has expectations.
the team has expectations
the fans have expectations
the media will have expectaions

come on son, perspective and stuff

[BasicBall]

Frank is 6'7 now, maybe he'll get at least and inch or 2 taller before its said and done. For them to have a 6'7, 6'8 PG is pretty incredible considering the Knicks history. I'm sure there will be growing pains, but hopefully Sessions & Baker can fill that void as Frank gets used to the physicality and speed of the NBA game. I expect steady point guard play same as we got for the most part last year if you take a step back and consider what Rose and Baker were able to do last season. In my view we got killed at the wing positions (SG & SF) and they did not defend AT ALL Rose especially.

Baker and Frank will help immediately as they both are at the very least willing defenders as is Sessions. Folks aren't gonna like this, but to ME this season hinges on what KP does. Will he make that jump some thing he can make? Or will he just be a unique piece but not the superstar some think he'll be.

All in all, I think NY had a fairly good off-season all things considered. I especially LOVE how patient they've been regarding moving Carmelo. I'm here for the rebuild, but I don't think they are as far away from being respectable as some will lead you to believe.

[Iron Mantis]

Kp was put out their largely because he's so mature and an exceptional talent
But don't forget that the first year he had Rollo next to him in the second year, when pressure was on him more, he sustained some injuries

There's a reason that the professionals all agree that you bring young guys along slowly

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

that just goes to show how out of touch you are with the reality of this situation

Frank has no pressure on him because you dont have expectations for the season?


dude

Frank has expectations.
the team has expectations
the fans have expectations
the media will have expectaions

come on son, perspective and stuff

Well, the players should have high hopes, perhaps even the coach(unless tank is at play). They're supposed to..they're competitors. They probably envision the playoffs.

The pressure KP had last year was because Phil built a "super team" that was expected to make the playoffs and make some noise.

This season the front office, realistic fans, and the media realize this is a team now in rebuild mode. And while expecting them to play hard, the expectation is that the Knicks will likely end up among the worst teams in the NBA with a great draft pick.

Frank as a rook is likely still the best PG, talent-wise, on the roster. The only pressure Frank will have is any pressure he personally places on himself and the pressure made from folks with unrealistic expectations.

[Iron Mantis]

Kp was put out their largely because he's so mature and an exceptional talent
But don't forget that the first year he had Rollo next to him in the second year, when pressure was on him more, he sustained some injuries

There's a reason that the professionals all agree that you bring young guys along slowly

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

that just goes to show how out of touch you are with the reality of this situation

Frank has no pressure on him because you dont have expectations for the season?


dude

Frank has expectations.
the team has expectations
the fans have expectations
the media will have expectaions

come on son, perspective and stuff

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2730644-projecting-new-york-knicks-2017-18-depth-chart

I know bleacherreport is far from any authority, but I'm just showing you that it's not "out of touch with reality" to choose Frank as the starter over Sessions for the reasons I've been mentioning. Even ESPN has Sessions as the 3rd string PG on the Knicks.

[NoLayupRule]

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

that just goes to show how out of touch you are with the reality of this situation

Frank has no pressure on him because you dont have expectations for the season?


dude

Frank has expectations.
the team has expectations
the fans have expectations
the media will have expectaions

come on son, perspective and stuff

Well, the players should have high hopes, perhaps even the coach(unless tank is at play). They're supposed to..they're competitors. They probably envision the playoffs.

The pressure KP had last year was because Phil built a "super team" that was expected to make the playoffs and make some noise.

This season the front office, realistic fans, and the media realize this is a team now in rebuild mode. And while expecting them to play hard, the expectation is that the Knicks will likely end up among the worst teams in the NBA with a great draft pick.

Frank as a rook is likely still the best PG, talent-wise, on the roster. The only pressure Frank will have is any pressure he personally places on himself and the pressure made from folks with unrealistic expectations.

You're kinda repeating my counterpoint to your point

The coaches and players place expectations on themselves

The fans do. Rightly or wrongly. But they do.

And let's not forget the media and the world watching these guys.


So saying he has zero pressure to preform is silly. Yes?

[NoLayupRule]

Frank really has no pressure because this season has zero expectations. In the starting lineup he'd be the 4th or 5th option on offense (Melo isn't going anywhere).

Timmy is really the guy who has pressure...he has to live up to that contract. Frank has several players to defer to on offense. On defense, he will be great to have next to THJR.

that just goes to show how out of touch you are with the reality of this situation

Frank has no pressure on him because you dont have expectations for the season?


dude

Frank has expectations.
the team has expectations
the fans have expectations
the media will have expectaions

come on son, perspective and stuff

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2730644-projecting-new-york-knicks-2017-18-depth-chart

I know bleacherreport is far from any authority, but I'm just showing you that it's not "out of touch with reality" to choose Frank as the starter over Sessions for the reasons I've been mentioning. Even ESPN has Sessions as the 3rd string PG on the Knicks.

Well honestly it's very much in his hands

If he thrives and impresses in training camp like Kp did and then plays exceptionally in summer league like Kp did then perhaps he's ready, like Kp was

I expect he's gonna struggle a little especially early on

[thebuzzardman]

I'd like to petition the board to have Markkanen added to the list of player regret around the drafting of Frank. Thanks.