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K P 6 wrote:Yall just wanna tank untill the roster is full with top 5 draft picks lol. People so funny.
rammagen wrote:Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Handledatruth wrote:
Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?
I love frank but this draft has players that would fit perfectly with our core.
This draft could put our young core on par with the 76ers and lakers of the world.
Rite now we arent even in the conversation. Outside of kp(who some people still doubt will be a superstar cornerstone talent) we have no true foundational pieces. Hernangomez has a lot to prove.
Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons
Even the **** bk nets have as much if not more young talent in druss-lavert-crabb-rh Jefferson.
This is an important draft for this franchise. Doncic or mpjr even bagley,bamba and ayton can
Put us on par with those teams mentioned above.
No Offense while you question our players lets look at your list
Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Not played a game yet ball, underwieght Ingram, 25yr old Clarkson, rnadle who is average, and zubac?
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
this makes sense
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons
this hurts two players how have not played in the nab and two of them missed extended amounts of time due to injuries.
Did you really think this through before posting?
The young kids the knicks have are good, you can not say they missed a yr due to injury or have not played a game yet. T
he french kid played at a very high level in France I think you might be shocked as you are over valuing other teams and under valuing the Knicks.
I think we are one player off at the 3
thebuzzardman wrote:Handledatruth wrote:Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:
Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.
We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.
Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?
I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?
Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?
Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?
I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.
Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.
DaGawd wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Handledatruth wrote:
Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?
I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?
Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?
Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?
I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.
Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.
You left out the Lakers. Theyre still going to be pretty bad
vallen wrote:K P 6 wrote:Yall just wanna tank untill the roster is full with top 5 draft picks lol. People so funny.
we dont have the personnel to do anything else. we are just starting a rebuild. we just drafted a guy for his potential that he may not reach for several years, if ever. we will also be loosing or downgrading an allstar player. what is funny except the people who somehow think this team is going to rally to a championship just because they are fans who believe and have faith.
HarthorneWingo wrote:I think we need one more tank/lottery pick season. Hopefully, Melo's contract then comes off the books. One more year of Noah after this year and he becomes an expiring contract. Then we'll be looking to add a FA or two or three and we'll be ready to compete.
K P 6 wrote:vallen wrote:K P 6 wrote:Yall just wanna tank untill the roster is full with top 5 draft picks lol. People so funny.
we dont have the personnel to do anything else. we are just starting a rebuild. we just drafted a guy for his potential that he may not reach for several years, if ever. we will also be loosing or downgrading an allstar player. what is funny except the people who somehow think this team is going to rally to a championship just because they are fans who believe and have faith.
Whats funny is with 4 really good core players people dont want them to experience winning together. After all star if we trash trash then tank. Tanking to start the season is a losers mentality.
god shammgod wrote:the knicks won 17 games and got the 4th pick. the league is more lopsided then ever. don't get your hopes up.
K P 6 wrote:vallen wrote:K P 6 wrote:Yall just wanna tank untill the roster is full with top 5 draft picks lol. People so funny.
we dont have the personnel to do anything else. we are just starting a rebuild. we just drafted a guy for his potential that he may not reach for several years, if ever. we will also be loosing or downgrading an allstar player. what is funny except the people who somehow think this team is going to rally to a championship just because they are fans who believe and have faith.
Whats funny is with 4 really good core players people dont want them to experience winning together. After all star if we trash trash then tank. Tanking to start the season is a losers mentality.
god shammgod wrote:the knicks won 17 games and got the 4th pick. the league is more lopsided then ever. don't get your hopes up.
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:rammagen wrote:Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:
I love frank but this draft has players that would fit perfectly with our core.
This draft could put our young core on par with the 76ers and lakers of the world.
Rite now we arent even in the conversation. Outside of kp(who some people still doubt will be a superstar cornerstone talent) we have no true foundational pieces. Hernangomez has a lot to prove.
Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons
Even the **** bk nets have as much if not more young talent in druss-lavert-crabb-rh Jefferson.
This is an important draft for this franchise. Doncic or mpjr even bagley,bamba and ayton can
Put us on par with those teams mentioned above.
No Offense while you question our players lets look at your list
Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Not played a game yet ball, underwieght Ingram, 25yr old Clarkson, rnadle who is average, and zubac?
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
this makes sense
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons
this hurts two players how have not played in the nab and two of them missed extended amounts of time due to injuries.
Did you really think this through before posting?
The young kids the knicks have are good, you can not say they missed a yr due to injury or have not played a game yet. T
he french kid played at a very high level in France I think you might be shocked as you are over valuing other teams and under valuing the Knicks.
I think we are one player off at the 3
Exactly. Which only proves how important it is to get a top 5 pick this year.
Getting doncic,mpjr,bagley,bamba or ayton does that for us.
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:DaGawd wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?
Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?
Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?
I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.
Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.
You left out the Lakers. Theyre still going to be pretty bad
Ball-kcp-ingram-randle-blopez with clarkson off the bench?? thats not a top 6 lottery team. Thats a fringe playoff late lottery caliber team.
malik959 wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:Handledatruth wrote:
You laugh, but be prepared. This would be the time a player like KP puts it together. Check Dirk's career arc on the Mavericks for example.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html
If the Knicks play well this year it will be because KP becomes a viable number 1 option and if Melo (assuming he stays) fits right into a 2/3 option, you may have something. You can't just disregard the improvement of the player like KP. If he comes back as the same player he was last year then I agree with your treadmill season assessment. However, does the improvement of a player like KP defy logic? Something to think about, that's all.
That was partially a joke. I went on to explain why him being here and us winning would bother me because we could be a playoff early exit etc. Making us a treadmill team. For what? Who do we get in FA that makes us a contender the following year? No one...most likely. How much less will Melo have in the tank? It's a bad idea to keep Melo and win with him. It's a dead end street. Then he opts in and plays the buyout game that Wade is playing?
Show me a realistic scenario where keeping Melo is better for the team. I'd love to hear one. Not best case scenario with a chain of what ifs.
I would prefer the team wins on the talent of the future. Not the last legs of the past.
So is OKC a treadmill team? Portland? Golden State. These teams grew by learning how to beat other teams, they didn't just all of a sudden become good in one season. We have a team with players that can potentially become all stars and can grow together. Just because we make the playoffs this year does not mean we're becoming a treadmill team, #1 it helps players build confidence, their goal in life is not to lose so we can't just ask them to lose. These players are working sun up to sun down to improve their game and we all can see the difference and improvement.
RIP mags
