Hawks Offseason Reviews - 2017 edition

[Spud2nique]

Another day, another scathing rundown of the Hawks' rebuild.

Ho-hum ...

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/01/nba-rebuilding-teams-tanking-knicks-bulls-nets

...seems like they just decided to pick the teams who they think are tanking and just wrote a good, bad, ugly "analysis". Said we have no prospects worth developing. Translation: Hawks don't have a flashy rookie we think is cute.

Anyway. Fodder for discussion, I guess.

That is some really bad analysis, it's not even worth commenting on.

Horrid...smh

[HMFFL]

I must admit, if I had taken over the team, I would also have cleaned house as much as possible. Trusting what the future may become seems to be difficult at the present time, so as positive as I can be at the moment, and hope our front office works some magic for us to install some talent that can become true contenders.

[jayu70]

How is Austin Rivers ranked higher on this 2K rating thingy than Dennis?

[Jamaaliver]

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How is Austin Rivers ranked higher on this 2K rating thingy than Dennis?

I'm guessing the programmers haven't watched many Hawks games the last couple of years.

TBF, Dennis took a huge step forward in the post season compared to his struggles in the regular season. (Much smaller sample size.)

But, yeah, Austin is getting a huge bump for 'solid play' on a larger stage.

[Jamaaliver]

Another grim appraisal for our collection of underdogs and has-beens.
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[macd-gm]

Another grim appraisal for our collection of underdogs and has-beens.
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For some reason running down the team in list form makes us look a lot worse. Position by position it doesn't seem so bad but in terms of overall talent you don't want Dedmon to be the second best player on your team. Not that that is really accurate.

[Jamaaliver]

For some reason, running down the team in list form makes us look a lot worse.

[kg01]

Yawn. Most of these offseason reviews just confirm these dudes know nothing about the Hawks. If any of them end up being right, it's due to blind-a** luck.

[Spud2nique]

Another grim appraisal for our collection of underdogs and has-beens.
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Taurean Prince is comparable to Fox, Granger and Rodney Rogers???? How? They are all tall basketball players...it ends there lol. Wow. I was so tempted to leave a comment like...

Don't give up ur day job...:-|

[jayu70]

Everybody's a critic.
I should create and write my own blog with some of this drivvle.
I guess cause Dedmon was our highest paid free agent. he's our 2nd best player.

[atlantabbq99]

I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

[Jamaaliver]

I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

Magette was signed to quarterback the G-League offense moving forward. It's a sign they plan on utilizing the minor league to develop some of the young players and want an experienced floor general to run the offense.

Spoiler:

“I’m someone who controls the tempo, makes everyone around them better, makes the right play, plays with a high IQ,” Magette said to Yapkowtiz. “I’m just doing little things.” Magette was the Hawks’ final roster cut last fall and also played with their summer-league team in Las Vegas. He led the G League in assists last season (9.3 APG) as a member of the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

The 27-year-old point guard has been a Summer League mainstay over the course of the past five years but hasn’t seen any action with a big league club during the regular season.

Magette was an All-Star in the NBA D-League in 2016/17 and was named to the All-NBA D-League Second Team for his efforts with the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

Cavanaugh was signed for his floor spacing ability.
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[kg01]

I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

I never saw anything from Diamond Stone that made me think he was worth keeping. Basically a poor man's Greg Monroe. Closer to an old-school big than I'm comfortable seeing at this point. Probably could sign any number of random bigs that'd be equal to him. Not that the same can't be said about the other 2 you mention. I'm just saying all 3 were 'meh' at best so there's no crime in keeping any over the other.

Magette has value as a d-league level coach on the floor facilitating development. Other than that ...

[Jamaaliver]

Too many departures will keep Hawks grounded

It’s hard to imagine that it was just three years ago that Atlanta had the best record in the East (61-21). Now, the Hawks will be among the NBA's worst.

That team produced four All-Stars that season, all of whom are now playing elsewhere.

Paul Millsap’s departure to Denver was the final core piece to leave, with the Hawks now fielding a roster that’s centered around Dennis Schroder. The 6-foot-2 guard is coming off his best season, averaging 17.9 points, 6.3 assists and 3.1 rebounds per game last season.

Still, as much promise as the fifth-year guard has shown, the Hawks are painfully weak across the board. Atlanta returns Kent Bazemore and Taurean Prince, who have each shown themselves to be solid pros with promising futures, but neither would be considered on the star-on-the-rise trajectory the Hawks desperately need.

Lots of role players, for sure. But the franchise’s string of 10 consecutive playoff appearances will likely end this year.

CSNNE


I don't have the heart to tell these guys it was only 2 years ago that we won 60 games and garnered the #1 seed in the playoffs.

[jayu70]

I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

Magette was signed to quarterback the G-League offense moving forward. It's a sign they plan on utilizing the minor league to develop some of the young players and want an experienced floor general to run the offense.

Spoiler:

“I’m someone who controls the tempo, makes everyone around them better, makes the right play, plays with a high IQ,” Magette said to Yapkowtiz. “I’m just doing little things.” Magette was the Hawks’ final roster cut last fall and also played with their summer-league team in Las Vegas. He led the G League in assists last season (9.3 APG) as a member of the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

The 27-year-old point guard has been a Summer League mainstay over the course of the past five years but hasn’t seen any action with a big league club during the regular season.

Magette was an All-Star in the NBA D-League in 2016/17 and was named to the All-NBA D-League Second Team for his efforts with the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

Cavanaugh was signed for his floor spacing ability.
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Agreed on Magette. When you send players from the NBA squad to the DLeague you need them playing with a capable floor general who knows the systems and will help them along the way. Helps the development.

[atlantabbq99]

I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

Magette was signed to quarterback the G-League offense moving forward. It's a sign they plan on utilizing the minor league to develop some of the young players and want an experienced floor general to run the offense.

Spoiler:

“I’m someone who controls the tempo, makes everyone around them better, makes the right play, plays with a high IQ,” Magette said to Yapkowtiz. “I’m just doing little things.” Magette was the Hawks’ final roster cut last fall and also played with their summer-league team in Las Vegas. He led the G League in assists last season (9.3 APG) as a member of the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

The 27-year-old point guard has been a Summer League mainstay over the course of the past five years but hasn’t seen any action with a big league club during the regular season.

Magette was an All-Star in the NBA D-League in 2016/17 and was named to the All-NBA D-League Second Team for his efforts with the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

Cavanaugh was signed for his floor spacing ability.
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I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

I never saw anything from Diamond Stone that made me think he was worth keeping. Basically a poor man's Greg Monroe. Closer to an old-school big than I'm comfortable seeing at this point. Probably could sign any number of random bigs that'd be equal to him. Not that the same can't be said about the other 2 you mention. I'm just saying all 3 were 'meh' at best so there's no crime in keeping any over the other.

Magette has value as a d-league level coach on the floor facilitating development. Other than that ...

Stone was posting up double doubles in summer league. Cavanaugh played two games and shot 0 of 5 from three. Magette literally did nothing, posting 0 points in 4 games and had move turnovers than assist. I don't know what you guys are smoking...

BTW, with Stone's age and contract, i'm really more than ok with having a poor man's Greg Monroe on the bench.

[Jamaaliver]

Magette literally did nothing, posting 0 points in 4 games and had move turnovers than assist.

Magette was an All-Star in the NBA D-League in 2016/17 and was named to the All-NBA D-League Second Team for his efforts with the Los Angeles D-Fenders. He also led the G League in assists last season.(9.3 APG) Hoops Rumors

Cavanaugh played two games and shot 0 of 5 from three.

Cavanaugh shot 40% from three in his final collegiate season.

As a graduate student at GW last season, he appeared in 35 games (all starts), leading the team in points (18.3), rebounds (8.4), free throws made (173) and attempted (204) in 32.2 minutes (.448 FG%, .409 3FG%, .848 FT%). He was named to the A-10 All-Conference Second Team. Inside Hoops

[kg01]

I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

Magette was signed to quarterback the G-League offense moving forward. It's a sign they plan on utilizing the minor league to develop some of the young players and want an experienced floor general to run the offense.

Spoiler:

“I’m someone who controls the tempo, makes everyone around them better, makes the right play, plays with a high IQ,” Magette said to Yapkowtiz. “I’m just doing little things.” Magette was the Hawks’ final roster cut last fall and also played with their summer-league team in Las Vegas. He led the G League in assists last season (9.3 APG) as a member of the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

The 27-year-old point guard has been a Summer League mainstay over the course of the past five years but hasn’t seen any action with a big league club during the regular season.

Magette was an All-Star in the NBA D-League in 2016/17 and was named to the All-NBA D-League Second Team for his efforts with the Los Angeles D-Fenders.

Hoops Rumors

Cavanaugh was signed for his floor spacing ability.
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I have no idea why the Hawks signed Josh Magette and Tyler Cavanaugh, but lets Diamond Stone walk. Based on summer league, Stone was alot better than the other two.

I never saw anything from Diamond Stone that made me think he was worth keeping. Basically a poor man's Greg Monroe. Closer to an old-school big than I'm comfortable seeing at this point. Probably could sign any number of random bigs that'd be equal to him. Not that the same can't be said about the other 2 you mention. I'm just saying all 3 were 'meh' at best so there's no crime in keeping any over the other.

Magette has value as a d-league level coach on the floor facilitating development. Other than that ...

Stone was posting up double doubles in summer league. Cavanaugh played two games and shot 0 of 5 from three. Magette literally did nothing, posting 0 points in 4 games and had move turnovers than assist. I don't know what you guys are smoking...

BTW, with Stone's age and contract, i'm really more than ok with having a poor man's Greg Monroe on the bench.

Double-doubles in SL? Please.

And 'poor man's Greg Monroe' is in no way a complimentary statement. EZPass on Stone. Wake us up when someone else signs him to be more than just a practice body.

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[HoopsMalone]

The real problem with the Hawks offseason is acquiring Miles Plumlee.

The NBA shot its wad last offseason and overpaid for free agents and the cap increase went up by less than expectations.

That leaves cap space at a premium as many free agents (particularly RFA) can't find a team who wants them at an agreeable price.

It also leaves low ceiling, luxury type folks, or teams deep in the repeater tax looking to dump out of the rotation guys.

These present opportunities for rebuilding teams or teams with cap space to acquire picks/prospects in exchange for offloading big deals.

Dwight Howard had 3 nice qualities:

1) Big contract dollars
2) Small number of years remaining
3) Still a productive player (Not an all-star, but productive)


Many teams should have been thrilled to throw a bad contract with a number of years the Hawks way. Even if they thought of Dwight as just a soon to be expiring deal, or someone who could be flipped at the deadline.

If anything I would have held him all year, let him rest and get healthy, and traded him in the offseason. Then he's a huge expiring deal with the motivation to play well in a contract year. Who wouldn't be interested in dumping a bad contract off for that?