Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[GEOLINK]

All I know is Anderson's punk ass always kills us.

[3toheadmelo]

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Most probably staying and opting out next season.

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If he's still a knick on opening night im done.

LMAO

[NBA Fan 1234]

Play Anderson at SF. He is tall so he can block and defend the opposing SF, with Willy at C and KP at the 4 we will block everything and once again become a dominant defensive team.

This is a joke, right?

[Nazrmohamed]

Exactly. It is possible to think melo is being a dope even though he does not owe us anything. Really not that complicated.

Yeah it is complicated though. Guys like you gotta understand that Ny is just the **** situation in the town you like. Ill give you some scenarios

1Bad situation, great town
2Bad situation, bad town
3Great situation, great town
4Great situation, bad town

I think I covered every situation. Think of it like a tree diagram from your statistics class. The Knicks are that first scenario. I think fans assume he won't waive his clause because Melo wants this scenario as if he wakes up everyday hoping the Knicks suck. To me thats oversimplifying it. If he could have his way Im sure NY would be the 3rd but we all know it won't and Im sure at this point he realizes that. Its not crazy to think he didn't realize it last season. Maybe he actualy thought like some fans that adding Rose/Lee/Noah wouldve changed things. Obviously it didn't. But now its certain, our goal as a franchise is to be option 1.

But keep in mind, waiving his NTC could easily land him in option 2 as well. Haters never factor that in as well. And hey, if you're gonna give me option 2 then hell yeah Im gonna choose option 1 instead. But again, haters (im generalizing for convenience here) assume Melos issue is mostly option 4. We think that Melo just hates certain towns that he would rather not win. It is possible in some cases but Id rather asume hes holding out for option 3.

Perfection. Great situation, great town. And to me THAT is his right. Not mine, not yours. I really wish hed open up to option 4 but I get he wants 3 more than 1. My order would probably be 3, 1, 4, 2.

And let's face it. Nobody is gonna change thier view on Melo by him joining the blazers even if they go to the playoffs every year until he retires. Perhaps Knick fans will apprecieate that he allowed us to rebuild but in the grand scheme of things we're more happy to get him out of our hair than gaf about his post knick happiness or success. So all im saying is let's stop pretending that we care.

Melo knows this and thats why he probably has the same order I have...
3 Houston
1 NY
4- Wizards
2- Pelicans

It would be great to know what teams would be interested, if any, that haven't been linked to him throughout this process. IE would a CHA or MIL take a swing on him to try to maximize this year.

Before Chicago traded Butler I envisioned Melo in Chicago at PF next to Wade and Butler. That might've been fun

[blueNorange]

Yeah it is complicated though. Guys like you gotta understand that Ny is just the **** situation in the town you like. Ill give you some scenarios

1Bad situation, great town
2Bad situation, bad town
3Great situation, great town
4Great situation, bad town

I think I covered every situation. Think of it like a tree diagram from your statistics class. The Knicks are that first scenario. I think fans assume he won't waive his clause because Melo wants this scenario as if he wakes up everyday hoping the Knicks suck. To me thats oversimplifying it. If he could have his way Im sure NY would be the 3rd but we all know it won't and Im sure at this point he realizes that. Its not crazy to think he didn't realize it last season. Maybe he actualy thought like some fans that adding Rose/Lee/Noah wouldve changed things. Obviously it didn't. But now its certain, our goal as a franchise is to be option 1.

But keep in mind, waiving his NTC could easily land him in option 2 as well. Haters never factor that in as well. And hey, if you're gonna give me option 2 then hell yeah Im gonna choose option 1 instead. But again, haters (im generalizing for convenience here) assume Melos issue is mostly option 4. We think that Melo just hates certain towns that he would rather not win. It is possible in some cases but Id rather asume hes holding out for option 3.

Perfection. Great situation, great town. And to me THAT is his right. Not mine, not yours. I really wish hed open up to option 4 but I get he wants 3 more than 1. My order would probably be 3, 1, 4, 2.

And let's face it. Nobody is gonna change thier view on Melo by him joining the blazers even if they go to the playoffs every year until he retires. Perhaps Knick fans will apprecieate that he allowed us to rebuild but in the grand scheme of things we're more happy to get him out of our hair than gaf about his post knick happiness or success. So all im saying is let's stop pretending that we care.

Melo knows this and thats why he probably has the same order I have...
3 Houston
1 NY
4- Wizards
2- Pelicans

It would be great to know what teams would be interested, if any, that haven't been linked to him throughout this process. IE would a CHA or MIL take a swing on him to try to maximize this year.

Before Chicago traded Butler I envisioned Melo in Chicago at PF next to Wade and Butler. That might've been fun

melo wanting to play power forward is your classic mandela effect.

it never happened, he hates playing the 4. it's too physical for him.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

[3toheadmelo]

i am not going to lie. i thought this was an iconic moment for us last season. i thought we was ready to go ALL IN and fuq up the east after that game. one month later we fall apart.... SMH

[rammagen]

Not to get off topic but a lot of people dont think he is a cornerstone type of talent

They as do i see him as more of a complimentary piece.

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See the issue is with is about 90% of the people posting there know crap and pretend to know more then do. posting your thoughts based on seeing someone play 2 or 3 times does not make you know more about player x then layer y. That is what you see here. People saying Kat or embid are better xxxx but then watch KP twice and say he is not good...
I can tell you kat is great embid has issues staying healthy but I see KP about 50 times per yr and ca say he has work but does not pose the health issue has more range can move defensively and is a willing player that is half of it. He is a better off the ball blocker and offensive rebounder then Embid and quite possibly KAT

those guys have takin over games on a more consistent basis. KP has a good game evry now and then, but is much more inconsistent. yes hes healthier then Embidd , but has a long way to prove hes a better overall player when both are healthy. comparing him to KAT right now, 32/32 GM's take KAT.

when health.....y sorry bud but you need to be on the floor to play the game. embid has played 31 games not even half a season. sorry but your argument is baseless with him on that account alone. let me know when he plays 40 games in a row. 31 games in 2 yrs and he is better then KP on daily basis. Last I saw there 80+ games in season.
Kat yes but embid sorry he just is not healthy enough to even make a statement like that

[robillionaire]

All I know is Anderson's punk ass always kills us.

I hate to say it but a big reason for that it's because KP can't guard stretch 4s on the perimeter. They all killed us.

[Dantares]

i am not going to lie. i thought this was an iconic moment for us last season. i thought we was ready to go ALL IN and fuq up the east after that game. one month later we fall apart.... SMH

that was the peak of D. Rose and O'quins value too. At the time I wanted us to trade them both because we never sell high when we should

[rammagen]

See the issue is with is about 90% of the people posting there know crap and pretend to know more then do. posting your thoughts based on seeing someone play 2 or 3 times does not make you know more about player x then layer y. That is what you see here. People saying Kat or embid are better xxxx but then watch KP twice and say he is not good...
I can tell you kat is great embid has issues staying healthy but I see KP about 50 times per yr and ca say he has work but does not pose the health issue has more range can move defensively and is a willing player that is half of it. He is a better off the ball blocker and offensive rebounder then Embid and quite possibly KAT

90% know crap so let's go to Knicks board where everyone knows everything.

So you say their opinion is invalid relative to yours considering you watch more Knicks games, however you follow by giving your opinion of 2 non-Knicks players. Logic fail.

They could say the same about you.


I understand trying to defend your team/position however why post with a complete disregard for logic or thought.

They could but do you see me statements on players valuing them outside of what i have seen or how healthy they have been? I try not value players against each-other outside of compatible stats not my opinion unless I state in my opinion. And I did not come here to say Knick fans know everything that is something you are saying not me. I gave valid stats how many games has ball played in nba? or embid? 31 games between them but to say they are better when the sample size is so much smaller then another players that is opinion not fact. play a comparable amount games compare stats and we can talk.
People are not looking at stats and basing there information on limited watching have I done that I don't think so, what did I say that was untrue, ball has not played a game yet neither has futz but already they are better. how about we let them play a full season. embid has played 31 games in 2 yrs you need to be on the floor to be play 2 yrs in the league and 31 games.

I also implied my thoughts on kp is more valid because I have seen him play more then fans of other teams what have I sated that was not fact?
Ingram 8 ppgs per game randle 9 ppg but yet they have a better young core. how about we let them play a season in this case these guys have played full seasons. Show me they are better then KP stat wise you can't
18 ppgs 7.6 rbs and 1.5 assists........ on a dysfunctional Knick team. Base an opinion on facts
I saw that thread and they have not.

[moocow007]

i am not going to lie. i thought this was an iconic moment for us last season. i thought we was ready to go ALL IN and fuq up the east after that game. one month later we fall apart.... SMH

that was the peak of D. Rose and O'quins value too. At the time I wanted us to trade them both because we never sell high when we should

Yeah that's been a problem for this team. But that's what you get with an inexperienced front office exec and an idiot owner.

[3toheadmelo]

i am not going to lie. i thought this was an iconic moment for us last season. i thought we was ready to go ALL IN and fuq up the east after that game. one month later we fall apart.... SMH

that was the peak of D. Rose and O'quins value too. At the time I wanted us to trade them both because we never sell high when we should

i still believe in my heart phil **** up the rubio trade. people might combat that with their little sources but i believe that phil tried to get more for rose. now rose is playing for **** $2 mill.

[3toheadmelo]

is o'quinn still worth a late first round pick? let's all stop being homers and actually think about it.

i doubt it at this point.

[bleedblue3303]

What do you think of this trade.

Toronto gets

Ryan Anderson
Trevor Ariza
and a Houston First round pick

Houston gets Melo

Knicks Get
Valanciunas
Nogueria
Caboclo
Powell



What do you think?



http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9y5st43

[GONYK]

is o'quinn still worth a late first round pick? let's all stop being homers and actually think about it.

i doubt it at this point.

Yes. A late first round pick is worth less than an early 2nd.

[3toheadmelo]

is o'quinn still worth a late first round pick? let's all stop being homers and actually think about it.

i doubt it at this point.

Yes. A late first round pick is worth less than an early 2nd.

meh

[BeagleBoss]

When is the first day of training camp?

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Steve Kyler says it's the 25th.

Perry Mills have 2 weeks to get this done or the circus will continue lol.

[moocow007]

What do you think of this trade.

Toronto gets

Ryan Anderson
Trevor Ariza
and a Houston First round pick

Houston gets Melo

Knicks Get
Valanciunas
Nogueria
Caboclo
Powell



What do you think?



http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9y5st43

Valancinuas has 3 years left on his contract at an average of $16.5 million.

Chances of his opting out? Considering he looks like he's plateaued big time, probably isn't likely. So while it's not the $21 million average Ryan Anderson will be owed for the same 3 seasons it's no joke. With Porzingis and Hernangomez here there's really no need for him anymore than there is for Anderson.

So the other assets that the Knicks gain would have to be worth taking on that extra year (vs. doing nothing or just cutting Anthony). Are those assets worth it?

Lucas Nogueira - other than being yet another center, Nogueira has not really improved noticeably in any aspect of the game. He doesn't really do anything really well so not sure what the future is for him. And considering who the Knicks have already on the team, the chance that he'll be given the freedom (minutes and role) needed to develop is probably marginal.

Bruno Caboclo - Caboclo is basically right now an even rawer version of Nogueira. No they don't play the same position but Caboclo hasn't yet shown he is comfortable with the NBA game nor the understanding of how to play team basketball. Sure there's upside and he's young but I'm not sure he's even shown any signs of anything.

Norman Powell - was very productive (especially during a stretch of about 20 games where he played starter minutes) but at the end of the day is that for real or is it just 20 games (see Jeremy Lin...and no Powell wasn't near as impressive as Lin was during his similar stretch with the Knicks)?

I mean it's ok but I'm not sure that it's worth it. Better than just taking Ryan Anderson that's for sure since, at least with Valanciunas there's a chance he might opt out and you get 3 decent (iffy-ish) young players.

[bleedblue3303]

What do you think of this trade.

Toronto gets

Ryan Anderson
Trevor Ariza
and a Houston First round pick

Houston gets Melo

Knicks Get
Valanciunas
Nogueria
Caboclo
Powell



What do you think?



http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9y5st43

Valancinuas has 3 years left on his contract at an average of $16.5 million.

Chances of his opting out? Considering he looks like he's plateaued big time, probably isn't likely. So while it's not the $21 million average Ryan Anderson will be owed for the same 3 seasons it's no joke. With Porzingis and Hernangomez here there's really no need for him anymore than there is for Anderson.

So the other assets that the Knicks gain would have to be worth taking on that extra year (vs. doing nothing or just cutting Anthony). Are those assets worth it?

Lucas Nogueira - other than being yet another center, Nogueira has not really improved noticeably in any aspect of the game. He doesn't really do anything really well so not sure what the future is for him. And considering who the Knicks have already on the team, the chance that he'll be given the freedom (minutes and role) needed to develop is probably marginal.

Bruno Caboclo - Caboclo is basically right now an even rawer version of Nogueira. No they don't play the same position but Caboclo hasn't yet shown he is comfortable with the NBA game nor the understanding of how to play team basketball. Sure there's upside and he's young but I'm not sure he's even shown any signs of anything.

Norman Powell - was very productive (especially during a stretch of about 20 games where he played starter minutes) but at the end of the day is that for real or is it just 20 games (see Jeremy Lin...and no Powell wasn't near as impressive as Lin was during his similar stretch with the Knicks)?

I mean it's ok but I'm not sure that it's worth it. Better than just taking Ryan Anderson that's for sure since, at least with Valanciunas there's a chance he might opt out and you get 3 decent (iffy-ish) young players.

Thank you I appreciate your analysis.