Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

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yeah , he wan't getting a buyout anyway with Phil ousted.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6943212
If IT4 needs surgery in Clevelands estimation regardless of IT4's positive outlook going into a contract year.
Given the magnitude of him being out for awhile but even more so that he is better than %50 likely to re-aggravate the hip to the point of being out again without surgery, this is the only way I accept the deal for IT4 and the Brooklyn pick.
Boston needs to take back JC, we get Brown and Rozier & keep Zizic & the Pick.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6943321
had to do this with boston still in the deal to make it work in the trade checker since players are currently already on their new rosters.
Should Altman pull out of Boston deal (which should only happen if IT4 is out for a long period of time or they are not confident he will not be re-injured refusing surgery) I expect it is because this offer is better even without the Nets pick as far as this season and winning a championship. If Bucks won't give up Maker I don't think this is a better deal because the pick they could throw in/ add if any would be in the 20's.

[skywalker33]

Just a bit of outside the box consideration, If the Cav's pull out of the trade, they still are where the were prior to the trade, having a good asset who is looking to get traded, no harm no foul. However, looking at what fallout could land on the BOS side of the trade could be beneficial to CLE. First, the C's are now left with IT and his injury to deal with, along with his impending free agency, something DA is not wanting to do. They risk losing an asset for nothing or having to pay top dollar for an under-sized high-scoring, no defense PG going into his 30's who is coming off an injury that has a frequency of happening again. Also, if they try to trade IT other teams will be weary of giving good value because of his injury history. IT also will be looking at the Celtics as untrustworthy, as does Crowder, both having been part of the C's recruitment endeavors, now being tossed aside at a whim. I would think that kind of turmoil would have an affect on their upcoming season, to what end I can only hope and dream.

[gflem]

Just a bit of outside the box consideration, If the Cav's pull out of the trade, they still are where the were prior to the trade, having a good asset who is looking to get traded, no harm no foul. However, looking at what fallout could land on the BOS side of the trade could be beneficial to CLE. First, the C's are now left with IT and his injury to deal with, along with his impending free agency, something DA is not wanting to do. They risk losing an asset for nothing or having to pay top dollar for an under-sized high-scoring, no defense PG going into his 30's who is coming off an injury that has a frequency of happening again. Also, if they try to trade IT other teams will be weary of giving good value because of his injury history. IT also will be looking at the Celtics as untrustworthy, as does Crowder, both having been part of the C's recruitment endeavors, now being tossed aside at a whim. I would think that kind of turmoil would have an affect on their upcoming season, to what end I can only hope and dream.

Don't let any C's fans see this, they will explain in length how you have no idea what you are talking about. And that the Cavs are the ones who will have to give Kyrie away for virtually nothing since his value has been so diminished by all of this. The GB thread on this is absolutely hilarious if you have the time to read it. And I was told they them getting Davis from the Pels was a certainty as well if they get Kyrie. Priceless.

[jbk1234]

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[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6944085
if ATL is in full tank I would try to do this oct 23rd the day after IT4 can be moved.
This would not include the Nets pick, we shed some salaries get a starting caliber pg with no injury issues and an under rated rookie combo guard with good size and 3 point shooting %.
I don't believe atl is in full tank but since that seems to be the common opinion, I will assume they could be.
* tavares and felder could be gone before this opportunity to move IT4, if that's the case throw in a different low salary player or just trade IT4 & Frye for Schroder alone.

[jbk1234]

If we can get E'Twaun Moore for Shump, then we just have to dump of Frye, RJ, & Felder, and we can roll with our roster.

[DaddyCool19]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6944085
if ATL is in full tank I would try to do this oct 23rd the day after IT4 can be moved.
This would not include the Nets pick, we shed some salaries get a starting caliber pg with no injury issues and an under rated rookie combo guard with good size and 3 point shooting %.
I don't believe atl is in full tank but since that seems to be the common opinion, I will assume they could be.
* tavares and felder could be gone before this opportunity to move IT4, if that's the case throw in a different low salary player or just trade IT4 & Frye for Schroder alone.

They are in full tank mode if you look at their roster. So why would they trade their biggest asset for an expiring Thomas? The other players make also no sense. If they trade Schröder, it would be for an overpay (Nets pick has to be included imo and Thomas should go to a 3rd team for a young guy) as he is their franchise player right now.

And btw. if you are in full tank mode why would you trade Schröder and a rookie for the package you suggested?

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6944085
if ATL is in full tank I would try to do this oct 23rd the day after IT4 can be moved.
This would not include the Nets pick, we shed some salaries get a starting caliber pg with no injury issues and an under rated rookie combo guard with good size and 3 point shooting %.
I don't believe atl is in full tank but since that seems to be the common opinion, I will assume they could be.
* tavares and felder could be gone before this opportunity to move IT4, if that's the case throw in a different low salary player or just trade IT4 & Frye for Schroder alone.

They are in full tank mode if you look at their roster. So why would they trade their biggest asset for an expiring Thomas? The other players make also no sense. If they trade Schröder, it would be for an overpay (Nets pick has to be included imo and Thomas should go to a 3rd team for a young guy) as he is their franchise player right now.

And btw. if you are in full tank mode why would you trade Schröder and a rookie for the package you suggested?

If they are truly after Porter or Bagley they need to get rid of Schroder (unless they see him as their long term pg), that's why. Add the fact that IT4 is likely out most of the season by the looks of it, makes you even worse. Dorsey is just a throw in with upside,don't like that part than keep him.
There isn't a chance in hell the Cavs would give up the Nets pick for Schroder. 3rd team sending you a youngster or otherwise.
If ATL just sucks because of lack of talent 1-5 that isn't tanking. Without tanking, they will still be a 30 win team if John Collins is as advertised and Prince steps up.
That should be bad enough for bottom 4-7 but not bottom 3, and definitely not worse than Nets,Kings etc.

[DaddyCool19]

Why would they get rid of Schröder if they are truly after Porter or Bagley? And why do you think did they trade Teague? It was to open up room for Schröder and making him their PG for the future. 30 wins would most likely get them a top 5 lottery pick and if they think Dennis wins them too many games, they can easily shut him down for the last 10 games or so.

So if you were Atlanta, would you trade Schröder for your package? No chance in hell and btw. I'm not an Atlanta fan but that trade offer is extremely one sided. You even admit that Atlanta would get nothing beside(Frye is old and an expiring and Thomas could be out for the season) a better shot at a Top pick and that could be done with resting players against weak teams.

[jbk1234]

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[Stillwater]

Why would they get rid of Schröder if they are truly after Porter or Bagley? And why do you think did they trade Teague? It was to open up room for Schröder and making him their PG for the future. 30 wins would most likely get them a top 5 lottery pick and if they think Dennis wins them too many games, they can easily shut him down for the last 10 games or so.

So if you were Atlanta, would you trade Schröder for your package? No chance in hell and btw. I'm not an Atlanta fan but that trade offer is extremely one sided. You even admit that Atlanta would get nothing beside(Frye is old and an expiring and Thomas could be out for the season) a better shot at a Top pick and that could be done with resting players against weak teams.

If it gets you IT4 on the cheap in fa next season and you are in the high lottery because IT4 didn't play enough this season ,with a chance at a top tier player to pair with him,Collins etc, you could attract another key FA and have a decent team in a 1-2 year rebuild. I don't think ATL loses enough to get a top tier player with Schroder playing next season.
Or ATL can just stay in mediocrity , hell even worse than the 1 and done playoff status ATL held for so long, and just be bad for several years. BTW there is little chance Schroder would want to stay in ATL after enduring a long rebuild of losing. So what's the point in keeping him again?

[DaddyCool19]

Pls suggest your trade in the trades and transactions forum or in Atlantas trade forum. Nothing you said makes too much sense. So getting a bigger chance at signing a guy who most likely needs a surgery who is also going to be 29 and could lose a step because of that is smart for a rebuilding team?

Why is Anthony Davis staying in NO or any other guy who is/was part of a rebuild?

[Stillwater]

Pls suggest your trade in the trades and transactions forum or in Atlantas trade forum. Nothing you said makes too much sense. So getting a bigger chance at signing a guy who most likely needs a surgery who is also going to be 29 and could lose a step because of that is smart for a rebuilding team?

Why is Anthony Davis staying in NO or any other guy who is/was part of a rebuild?

Look, I never said I thought ATL was in a full rebuild but that seems to be the common opinion . I think it is more likely they are going to try to win, and if I am right then yes they would not trade Schroder , he is good at what he does.
What I said was again, IF they are in a full rebuild given they have no shot at winning enough to make the playoffs with the departure of Milsap , anyone could easily conclude that they may be considering tanking next season.
In order to do that they would need to either trade Schroder , or sit him in the 4th despite being the 2nd highest paid player on the team. If they continue on the course they are on with who they have, they might get lucky in FA over the next 2 yrs, but the odds are greater they will be just good enough to get back to mediocrity 1 and done in the playoffs which has plagued them for so long , by simply having a mid to late lottery pick next summer added to the roster currently in place.
There is no argument worth discussing here. If they decide to trade him, taking on IT4 with the chance to sign him next season after tanking full tank this season and getting a top 3 pick could fast forward their chances of being relevant, as IT4 would give them a solid shot at another marquee FA to play with him, so they would have 2 offensive all stars that are in their prime along with good defensive players in Collins,Dedmon and Prince and a potential superstar rookie

[jayu70]

Pls suggest your trade in the trades and transactions forum or in Atlantas trade forum. Nothing you said makes too much sense. So getting a bigger chance at signing a guy who most likely needs a surgery who is also going to be 29 and could lose a step because of that is smart for a rebuilding team?

Why is Anthony Davis staying in NO or any other guy who is/was part of a rebuild?

Look, I never said I thought ATL was in a full rebuild but that seems to be the common opinion . I think it is more likely they are going to try to win, and if I am right then yes they would not trade Schroder , he is good at what he does.
What I said was again, IF they are in a full rebuild given they have no shot at winning enough to make the playoffs with the departure of Milsap , anyone could easily conclude that they may be considering tanking next season.
In order to do that they would need to either trade Schroder , or sit him in the 4th despite being the 2nd highest paid player on the team. If they continue on the course they are on with who they have, they might get lucky in FA over the next 2 yrs, but the odds are greater they will be just good enough to get back to mediocrity 1 and done in the playoffs which has plagued them for so long , by simply having a mid to late lottery pick next summer added to the roster currently in place.
There is no argument worth discussing here. If they decide to trade him, taking on IT4 with the chance to sign him next season after tanking full tank this season and getting a top 3 pick could fast forward their chances of being relevant, as IT4 would give them a solid shot at another marquee FA to play with him, so they would have 2 offensive all stars that are in their prime along with good defensive players in Collins,Dedmon and Prince and a potential superstar rookie

If Atlanta wants to tank/rebuild etc and decides to trade Shroeder, it'll be for real assets - picks and/or young players for the rebuild. There is nothing in the trade package that offers anything for rebuilding. Hawks aren't giving away Shroeder for a CHANCE to resign IT when it'll be more than likely he won't resign.

[Stillwater]

Pls suggest your trade in the trades and transactions forum or in Atlantas trade forum. Nothing you said makes too much sense. So getting a bigger chance at signing a guy who most likely needs a surgery who is also going to be 29 and could lose a step because of that is smart for a rebuilding team?

Why is Anthony Davis staying in NO or any other guy who is/was part of a rebuild?

Look, I never said I thought ATL was in a full rebuild but that seems to be the common opinion . I think it is more likely they are going to try to win, and if I am right then yes they would not trade Schroder , he is good at what he does.
What I said was again, IF they are in a full rebuild given they have no shot at winning enough to make the playoffs with the departure of Milsap , anyone could easily conclude that they may be considering tanking next season.
In order to do that they would need to either trade Schroder , or sit him in the 4th despite being the 2nd highest paid player on the team. If they continue on the course they are on with who they have, they might get lucky in FA over the next 2 yrs, but the odds are greater they will be just good enough to get back to mediocrity 1 and done in the playoffs which has plagued them for so long , by simply having a mid to late lottery pick next summer added to the roster currently in place.
There is no argument worth discussing here. If they decide to trade him, taking on IT4 with the chance to sign him next season after tanking full tank this season and getting a top 3 pick could fast forward their chances of being relevant, as IT4 would give them a solid shot at another marquee FA to play with him, so they would have 2 offensive all stars that are in their prime along with good defensive players in Collins,Dedmon and Prince and a potential superstar rookie

If Atlanta wants to tank/rebuild etc and decides to trade Shroeder, it'll be for real assets - picks and/or young players for the rebuild. There is nothing in the trade package that offers anything for rebuilding. Hawks aren't giving away Shroeder for a CHANCE to resign IT when it'll be more than likely he won't resign.

IT4 is a better player than Schroder and will attract more FA to ATL , but if they don't think he would sign there (even though after not playing enough this year to get his max would likely agree to a lesser deal in ATL where he has a similar lead dog role like the one he had in Boston) than yeah it's not a good deal for them. You are not getting any blue chip young players for Schroder anyway otherwise I might agree with you.maybe in the future if he has a breakout season and if so, you wouldn't trade him anyway.

[lakerhater]

Look, I never said I thought ATL was in a full rebuild but that seems to be the common opinion . I think it is more likely they are going to try to win, and if I am right then yes they would not trade Schroder , he is good at what he does.
What I said was again, IF they are in a full rebuild given they have no shot at winning enough to make the playoffs with the departure of Milsap , anyone could easily conclude that they may be considering tanking next season.
In order to do that they would need to either trade Schroder , or sit him in the 4th despite being the 2nd highest paid player on the team. If they continue on the course they are on with who they have, they might get lucky in FA over the next 2 yrs, but the odds are greater they will be just good enough to get back to mediocrity 1 and done in the playoffs which has plagued them for so long , by simply having a mid to late lottery pick next summer added to the roster currently in place.
There is no argument worth discussing here. If they decide to trade him, taking on IT4 with the chance to sign him next season after tanking full tank this season and getting a top 3 pick could fast forward their chances of being relevant, as IT4 would give them a solid shot at another marquee FA to play with him, so they would have 2 offensive all stars that are in their prime along with good defensive players in Collins,Dedmon and Prince and a potential superstar rookie

If Atlanta wants to tank/rebuild etc and decides to trade Shroeder, it'll be for real assets - picks and/or young players for the rebuild. There is nothing in the trade package that offers anything for rebuilding. Hawks aren't giving away Shroeder for a CHANCE to resign IT when it'll be more than likely he won't resign.

IT4 is a better player than Schroder and will attract more FA to ATL , but if they don't think he would sign there (even though after not playing enough this year to get his max would likely agree to a lesser deal in ATL where he has a similar lead dog role like the one he had in Boston) than yeah it's not a good deal for them. You are not getting any blue chip young players for Schroder anyway otherwise I might agree with you.maybe in the future if he has a breakout season and if so, you wouldn't trade him anyway.

ATL has one of it not the worst rosters in the league and that's not going to change overnight. When Thomas enters free agency he'll almost be 30 years old. It's a pretty safe bet Thomas won't want any part of playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

[Stillwater]

If Atlanta wants to tank/rebuild etc and decides to trade Shroeder, it'll be for real assets - picks and/or young players for the rebuild. There is nothing in the trade package that offers anything for rebuilding. Hawks aren't giving away Shroeder for a CHANCE to resign IT when it'll be more than likely he won't resign.

IT4 is a better player than Schroder and will attract more FA to ATL , but if they don't think he would sign there (even though after not playing enough this year to get his max would likely agree to a lesser deal in ATL where he has a similar lead dog role like the one he had in Boston) than yeah it's not a good deal for them. You are not getting any blue chip young players for Schroder anyway otherwise I might agree with you.maybe in the future if he has a breakout season and if so, you wouldn't trade him anyway.

ATL has one of it not the worst rosters in the league and that's not going to change overnight. When Thomas enters free agency he'll almost be 30 years old. It's a pretty safe bet Thomas won't want any part of playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

maybe, but they are probably one of the few teams in the league that would give him a decent contract even if it's not the max.
They are one of the worst rosters as far as lack of upside, because they drafted poorly until Collins this year,have no offensive weapons that can break down defenses, no all stars and no chance of being relevant without a player like IT4 brought in to attract another all star in FA. They are a perfect fit for him having solid defensive players to surround him with.
But yeah the odds of them doing the smart thing & tank are unlikely given that org has been a mess ,happy with mediocrity for ages.
Sure there is the risk IT4 says pound salt ATL and then they are in worst shape than before, but that is probably a better route to be in than sorta good and never get any blue chip young players to build from the ground up.
either way it will never happen, because like I said, they are probably trying to win with their currant roster because they are delusional enough to think they can be relevant adding mid first rounders for the next few years.We would be doing them a favor taking Schroder off their hands imo. He is the one piece that keep them above the bottom 5.

[jayu70]

IT4 is a better player than Schroder and will attract more FA to ATL , but if they don't think he would sign there (even though after not playing enough this year to get his max would likely agree to a lesser deal in ATL where he has a similar lead dog role like the one he had in Boston) than yeah it's not a good deal for them. You are not getting any blue chip young players for Schroder anyway otherwise I might agree with you.maybe in the future if he has a breakout season and if so, you wouldn't trade him anyway.

ATL has one of it not the worst rosters in the league and that's not going to change overnight. When Thomas enters free agency he'll almost be 30 years old. It's a pretty safe bet Thomas won't want any part of playing for one of the worst teams in the league.

maybe, but they are probably one of the few teams in the league that would give him a decent contract even if it's not the max.
We would be doing them a favor taking Schroder off their hands imo. He is the one piece that keep them above the bottom 5.

Hawks have a new GM who's building the team wirh young players and draft picks, he let Millsap leave for less than a max deal in terms of money and years, there is no way he reverses course by taking on a broken IT and with him being a free agent. There is no value in this trade.
Dennis is perfect to lead the tank.

What you propose is no favor, so you can keep it.