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Post#1 » by Bentley1225 » Fri Sep 8, 2017 2:43 pm

This is my last attempt in terms of finding a home for Anderson in a Melo deal:

To Brooklyn (Trade Lin, Carroll)
-Ryan Anderson
-Trevor Ariza
-2018 Miami or Memphis or Charlotte 2nd round pick via Houston
-2020 Houston 2nd round pick

To New York (Trade Melo, Randle)
-Jeremy Lin
-DeMarre Carroll
-2020 Houston 1st round pick

To Houston (Anderson, Ariza, 1st, 2 2nds)
-Carmelo Anthony
-Chasson Randle


Why?
-The Nets clear up backcourt glut by allowing Russell and Crabbe to start in the backcourt. This maintains the Nets current cap space and frees up around $7 million for next off-season if Lin plans to opt in to $12.5 million player option. The Nets get back another 2018 2nd to balance out the fact they dont have a 2019 2nd and a 2020 2nd which they currently dont own.

Russell/Whitehead/Dinwiddie
Crabbe/LaVert/Kilpatrick
Ariza/Jefferson/Harris
Booker/Anderson/Acy
Mozgov/Allen

-The Knicks get back a starting PG in Lin and a backup SF in Carroll. This doesnt change the Knicks cap flexibility but they do get back a 1st round pick.

Lin/Ntilikina/Sessions
Hardaway/Lee/Baker
Kuzminkas/Carroll/
Porzingis/Beasley/Thomas/
O'Quinn/Hernangomez/Noah

-Houston gets Melo without giving up 2 1st round picks and dealing Anderson

Paul/Taylor/Randle
Harden/Gordon/Quarterman
Tucker/Moute/Williams
Anthony/Black/Long
Capella/Hilario/Onuaku
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Post#2 » by Karate Diop » Fri Sep 8, 2017 2:54 pm

My issue with the Nets acquiring Ryan Anderson has always been with what it does to the Nets long term cap situation:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly/cap/

Is it really worth it for the Nets to commit another $21 million in 2019-2020 to Ryan Anderson when they'll already be paying Mozgov and Crabbe a combined $35 million (and will also presumably be paying Russell whatever he's worth in RFA)?

I think what you'd have to do to get the Nets to think about this is send Houston's 1st rounder to the Nets and both second rounders to the Knicks, and then have the Nets flip Ariza and change for another (hopefully) first round* pick...

And now we're back into the whole dilemma Houston has of it taking TWO first round picks for them to dump Ryan Anderson.

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*Not sure if Ariza could net another first round pick, Marks was able to get one for Bogdanovic (and I consider Ariza a much better player) at the deadline last year but the situation was a bit different when you factor in age and contract status...
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Post#3 » by Bentley1225 » Fri Sep 8, 2017 3:09 pm

Karate Diop wrote:My issue with the Nets acquiring Ryan Anderson has always been with what it does to the Nets long term cap situation:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly/cap/

Is it really worth it for the Nets to commit another $21 million in 2019-2020 to Ryan Anderson when they'll already be paying Mozgov and Crabbe a combined $35 million (and will also presumably be paying Russell whatever he's worth in RFA)?

I think what you'd have to do to get the Nets to think about this is send Houston's 1st rounder to the Nets and both second rounders to the Knicks, and then have the Nets flip Ariza and change for another (hopefully) first round* pick...

And now we're back into the whole dilemma Houston has of it taking TWO first round picks for them to dump Ryan Anderson.

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*Not sure if Ariza could net another first round pick, Marks was able to get one for Bogdanovic (and I consider Ariza a much better player) at the deadline last year but the situation was a bit different when you factor in age and contract status...


Good points. Anderson would hypothetically be the only PF the Nets have on a deal beyond this year. They can essentially draft a PF with the Raptors 2018 1st. The roster would look like:

Russell/Whitehead/FA?
Crabbe/LaVert/2nd rounder?
FA?/Jefferson/FA?
Anderson/1st rounder?/FA?
Mozgov/Allen/2nd rounder?

Russel = $7 million
Whitehead = $1.5 million
Crabbe = $18.5 million
LaVert = $1.7 million
Jefferson = $2.5 million
Anderson = $20.4 million
Mozgov = $16 million
Allen = $2 million
Williams (Dead Money) = $5.4 million

Total = $75 million

When you factor in 1st round pick cap hold, they would have around $25 million in cap space to work with (assumed $102 million salary cap) if they wanted to offer a max offer sheet to an RFA for a starting SF for example to improve for 2018-19.
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Re: Nets/Rockets/Knicks 

Post#4 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Sep 8, 2017 3:42 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:My issue with the Nets acquiring Ryan Anderson has always been with what it does to the Nets long term cap situation:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly/cap/

Is it really worth it for the Nets to commit another $21 million in 2019-2020 to Ryan Anderson when they'll already be paying Mozgov and Crabbe a combined $35 million (and will also presumably be paying Russell whatever he's worth in RFA)?

I think what you'd have to do to get the Nets to think about this is send Houston's 1st rounder to the Nets and both second rounders to the Knicks, and then have the Nets flip Ariza and change for another (hopefully) first round* pick...

And now we're back into the whole dilemma Houston has of it taking TWO first round picks for them to dump Ryan Anderson.

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*Not sure if Ariza could net another first round pick, Marks was able to get one for Bogdanovic (and I consider Ariza a much better player) at the deadline last year but the situation was a bit different when you factor in age and contract status...


Good points. Anderson would hypothetically be the only PF the Nets have on a deal beyond this year. They can essentially draft a PF with the Raptors 2018 1st. The roster would look like:

Russell/Whitehead/FA?
Crabbe/LaVert/2nd rounder?
FA?/Jefferson/FA?
Anderson/1st rounder?/FA?
Mozgov/Allen/2nd rounder?

Russel = $7 million
Whitehead = $1.5 million
Crabbe = $18.5 million
LaVert = $1.7 million
Jefferson = $2.5 million
Anderson = $20.4 million
Mozgov = $16 million
Allen = $2 million
Williams (Dead Money) = $5.4 million

Total = $75 million

When you factor in 1st round pick cap hold, they would have around $25 million in cap space to work with (assumed $102 million salary cap) if they wanted to offer a max offer sheet to an RFA for a starting SF for example to improve for 2018-19.


Honestly it goes deeper than just the money. This trade makes the Nets worse as a team today while increasing the amount of salary owed over time and the only compensation they get is 2 2nd rounders? And they make the Knicks better? Just doesn't make sense from their perspective.
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Post#5 » by RightToCensor » Fri Sep 8, 2017 3:59 pm

Rockets say no. We're strictly against adding rotational players to a Anderson/Anthony trade, especially when we're not bidding against anyone and aren't extremely desperate for his services this season.
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Post#6 » by Bentley1225 » Fri Sep 8, 2017 4:13 pm

RightToCensor wrote:Rockets say no. We're strictly against adding rotational players to a Anderson/Anthony trade, especially when we're not bidding against anyone and aren't extremely desperate for his services this season.


Well then the Rockets go further into the tax then. Additionally, the Rockets signed Tucker and Moute which makes Ariza expendable in a deal for Melo.
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Post#7 » by Rapcity_11 » Fri Sep 8, 2017 5:10 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:
RightToCensor wrote:Rockets say no. We're strictly against adding rotational players to a Anderson/Anthony trade, especially when we're not bidding against anyone and aren't extremely desperate for his services this season.


Well then the Rockets go further into the tax then. Additionally, the Rockets signed Tucker and Moute which makes Ariza expendable in a deal for Melo.


Neither Tucker or LRMM come close to Ariza in shooting. Ariza isn't expendable at all. He's probably more valuable to them than Melo.
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Re: Nets/Rockets/Knicks 

Post#8 » by draftnightsuit » Fri Sep 8, 2017 5:49 pm

The Rockets are not trading Ariza so any deal involving him is DOA. Houston has enough filler contracts to make this trade work without Ariza.

Also, Knicks are not taking Demarre Carroll's contract.

Something like this:

Rockets out: Anderson, Jackson, Hartenstein, 1st, filler
Rockets in: Melo

Knicks out: Melo
Knicks in: Lin, Booker, Jackson, Hartenstein, Rockets 1st and filler

Nets out: Lin, Booker
Nets in: Anderson

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