Markelle Fultz Discussion

[LloydFree]

I think it will be beneficial for this team to have more than one guy able to bring the ball up and facilitate the offense. Having both simmons and fultz will be a luxury. As to who will be the primary ball handler, we will have to see how it shakes out based on their performances in training camp and preseason. The entire starting lineup has had very little or no nba experience as well as playing together so there will be a lot of trial and error before we know how big of a role either play when it comes to PG duties. I am certain even the coaching staff is still trying to figure that part out. Late in the game, I do see the ball in fultz's hands though.

Both are patient playmakers, a luxury that's being underrated.
They will use the best option, when available.

Simmons will start half court offense, probing for a good pass or dunk. He is a good rebounder and starts fastbreaks, his ballhandling and passing is elite.

Fultz could be a dynamic scorer, he can make contested shots like Kobe. He should be a sharp shooter like Ray Allen. He could be very difficult to defend.

His passing is not elite.

I know the talent around him sucked hardcore, but Washington was not even a top 100 offense last season.

Fultz was drafted for his size, shooting, and age. He certainly has the potential to improve other facets of his game. But he's not a ready made star or a guaranteed all star or anything.

In my opinion he's nowhere near the prospect that Embiid, Simmons, and Ball were coming out of college.

Purely a play on his potential.

Absolutely correct. Nowhere near.

[Mrcrockpots]

Both are patient playmakers, a luxury that's being underrated.
They will use the best option, when available.

Simmons will start half court offense, probing for a good pass or dunk. He is a good rebounder and starts fastbreaks, his ballhandling and passing is elite.

Fultz could be a dynamic scorer, he can make contested shots like Kobe. He should be a sharp shooter like Ray Allen. He could be very difficult to defend.

His passing is not elite.

I know the talent around him sucked hardcore, but Washington was not even a top 100 offense last season.

Fultz was drafted for his size, shooting, and age. He certainly has the potential to improve other facets of his game. But he's not a ready made star or a guaranteed all star or anything.

In my opinion he's nowhere near the prospect that Embiid, Simmons, and Ball were coming out of college.

Purely a play on his potential.

Absolutely correct. Nowhere near.

What are your statistical expectations for Fultz this year? You're way more skeptical than I am. I'm of the belief that Fultz could put up something like 16, 4 and 4 this year. You?

[LloydFree]

His passing is not elite.

I know the talent around him sucked hardcore, but Washington was not even a top 100 offense last season.

Fultz was drafted for his size, shooting, and age. He certainly has the potential to improve other facets of his game. But he's not a ready made star or a guaranteed all star or anything.

In my opinion he's nowhere near the prospect that Embiid, Simmons, and Ball were coming out of college.

Purely a play on his potential.

Absolutely correct. Nowhere near.

What are your statistical expectations for Fultz this year? You're way more skeptical than I am. I'm of the belief that Fultz could put up something like 16, 4 and 4 this year. You?

That line is reasonable. If he gets the minutes he could get that. I think he could top out at 14, 4 and 4, on 40-41% fg%.

[ProcessDoctor]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better player. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

[Unbreakable99]

Fultz vs Doncic?

Fultz more likely to be a star but Doncic, altho less likely to be star has higher chance to be a superstar.

I think Fultz is a better scorer, being just a natural at it. While Doncic is a better all around player, better bball IQ? and that could mean higher impact player that superstar traits love.

Fultz also seems to be more athletic that gives me better confidence with his being a better finisher and defender now or in the future.

But yeah, Doncic seems to have a chance to be the better shooter and all around player.

I also think position also plays a big part where you LOVE Fultz at PG with the size and skillset while Doncic maybe slow at PG and could be more comfortable but doesn't really intrigues me at SG (manu?).

A lot of guesswork. Could be like Harden vs Manu, with Fultz being Harden IMO. What do you think?

I haven't seen Doncic play to be able to make an informed answer. I have seen some highlights of him and read about him. Based on what I know about Fultz I'll just say Doncic > Fultz.

[Unbreakable99]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better prospects. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

I doubt you will be abke to see that. Ball has always and most likely will be the superior prospect. I don't think Ball is on a differnt level though. I always thought Ball and Fultz and Jackson and a few others were on the same plain but I rated Ball and Jackson higher and you could argue guy's like DSJ and Fox were better too. Ball is just an awesome player. I love the way he plays. He wins. Fultz won 9 games at Washington. I bet if he and Ball switched teams Ball could have won at least 15 games at Washington and I doubt Fultz wins as many games at UCLA. That's what Ball does. He wins. He makes everyone around him better.

I love Ball so much that I now hate him because he's balling on the Lakers. Every good game he had in summer league made me furious because I wish he was on the Sixers doing that. This season I'm going to hope Ball doesn't play well for my own sanity lol. I just will regret seeing Ball ball out in LA instead of us. It hurts. We were right there at 1 to take the best player but we settled for Fultz instead. Smh.

[Chris76]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better prospects. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

A YouTube video shows how deadly Fultz, Simmons, and Embiid should be in PnR.

Fultz should be difficult to defend when bigs switch, he doesn't need much space to get easy pull ups.
He could avg 20 pts with good defense.

Simmons is a very good screener, a 6'10 brick wall should be difficult to get around. If the defender cheats and goes under, Fultz should easily pull up for open shots. A simple play that should be very efficient.

[ProcessDoctor]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better prospects. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

I doubt you will be abke to see that. Ball has always and most likely will be the superior prospect. I don't think Ball is on a differnt level though. I always thought Ball and Fultz and Jackson and a few others were on the same plain but I rated Ball and Jackson higher and you could argue guy's like DSJ and Fox were better too. Ball is just an awesome player. I love the way he plays. He wins. Fultz won 9 games at Washington. I bet if he and Ball switched teams Ball could have won at least 15 games at Washington and I doubt Fultz wins as many games at UCLA. That's what Ball does. He wins. He makes everyone around him better.

I love Ball so much that I now hate him because he's balling on the Lakers. Every good game he had in summer league made me furious because I wish he was on the Sixers doing that. This season I'm going to hope Ball doesn't play well for my own sanity lol. I just will regret seeing Ball ball out in LA instead of us. It hurts. We were right there at 1 to take the best player but we settled for Fultz instead. Smh.

This is exactly what I mean. Everything you're saying is based on your "feelings" and own subjective experience from the perspective of a fan sitting at home watching both players. You "like" Ball more and "love" the way he plays, but does that really mean he's a better player because you feel that way?

My argument is that historically when prospects are rated #1 by professional scouts, they end up being superior to the other players near the top of the draft (i.e. top 3-5). The only real exceptions to this in the last 20 years are 2005 when Bogut when 1st over DWill/CP3 and 2006 when Bargs went ahead of LMA. Oden > Durant is possible, but with Oden's injuries, it's unfair to say he was clearly a worse prospect than KD. We could go back even further, but I don't think a larger sample size is needed to prove my point.

[76ciology]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better player. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

It makes watching sports exciting right? Imagine if everyone agrees with one another. What sort of emotional trophy do you get when your team win. Im pretty sure I'll be looking for lloydfree and sixerscan here whenever Jah has bad games.
Peace on you two my sixers brothers!

[76ciology]

Fultz vs Doncic?

Fultz more likely to be a star but Doncic, altho less likely to be star has higher chance to be a superstar.

I think Fultz is a better scorer, being just a natural at it. While Doncic is a better all around player, better bball IQ? and that could mean higher impact player that superstar traits love.

Fultz also seems to be more athletic that gives me better confidence with his being a better finisher and defender now or in the future.

But yeah, Doncic seems to have a chance to be the better shooter and all around player.

I also think position also plays a big part where you LOVE Fultz at PG with the size and skillset while Doncic maybe slow at PG and could be more comfortable but doesn't really intrigues me at SG (manu?).

A lot of guesswork. Could be like Harden vs Manu, with Fultz being Harden IMO. What do you think?

I haven't seen Doncic play to be able to make an informed answer. I have seen some highlights of him and read about him. Based on what I know about Fultz I'll just say Doncic > Fultz.

Yeah. I dont see a lot of Doncic yet, but from the limited clips, he plays mature way beyond his years. He is very skilled with very high basketball IQ which is great but so does Dario. My question is will he show physical limitation agaiNST NBA athletes like Dario. Unlike with Fultz who I saw at SL that he's a very good athlete going up against Jaylen Brown and Exum. I mean.. Rubio and Milos are superstars or atleast very highly regarded at Euro. So did guys like Rudy Fernandez and Sergio.

[LloydFree]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better player. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

It makes watching sports exciting right? Imagine if everyone agrees with one another. What sort of emotional trophy do you get when your team win. Im pretty sure I'll be looking for lloydfree and sixerscan here whenever Jah has bad games.
Peace on you two my sixers brothers!

You don't have to waste your time looking for my posts when Jah has bad games. I rarely post anything about him in game threads or recaps, because I don't expect anything from him. I knew he was trash when they drafted him.

... and that's even with the "Professionals" ranking him #1 for 95% of that season.

[ProcessDoctor]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better player. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

It makes watching sports exciting right? Imagine if everyone agrees with one another. What sort of emotional trophy do you get when your team win. Im pretty sure I'll be looking for lloydfree and sixerscan here whenever Jah has bad games.
Peace on you two my sixers brothers!

You don't have to waste your time looking for my posts when Jah has bad games. I rarely post anything about him in game threads or recaps, because I don't expect anything from him. I knew he was trash when they drafted him.

... and that's even with the "Professionals" ranking him #1 for 95% of that season.

I see what you did there...

Guess we'll have to wait and see with Fultz and Ball.

[Unbreakable99]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty. The amount of love for Ball in this thread is insane. I can't believe how many of you still think he's a better prospect than Fultz, or even a tier above him. Fultz was unanimously the #1 prospect in this draft, and even Magic wanted to trade up for him. The fact is that prospects rated better by professional scouts usually turn out to be the better prospects. I cannot wait for Fultz to show how superior he is to Ball. The season needs to start already.

I doubt you will be abke to see that. Ball has always and most likely will be the superior prospect. I don't think Ball is on a differnt level though. I always thought Ball and Fultz and Jackson and a few others were on the same plain but I rated Ball and Jackson higher and you could argue guy's like DSJ and Fox were better too. Ball is just an awesome player. I love the way he plays. He wins. Fultz won 9 games at Washington. I bet if he and Ball switched teams Ball could have won at least 15 games at Washington and I doubt Fultz wins as many games at UCLA. That's what Ball does. He wins. He makes everyone around him better.

I love Ball so much that I now hate him because he's balling on the Lakers. Every good game he had in summer league made me furious because I wish he was on the Sixers doing that. This season I'm going to hope Ball doesn't play well for my own sanity lol. I just will regret seeing Ball ball out in LA instead of us. It hurts. We were right there at 1 to take the best player but we settled for Fultz instead. Smh.

This is exactly what I mean. Everything you're saying is based on your "feelings" and own subjective experience from the perspective of a fan sitting at home watching both players. You "like" Ball more and "love" the way he plays, but does that really mean he's a better player because you feel that way?

My argument is that historically when prospects are rated #1 by professional scouts, they end up being superior to the other players near the top of the draft (i.e. top 3-5). The only real exceptions to this in the last 20 years are 2005 when Bogut when 1st over DWill/CP3 and 2006 when Bargs went ahead of LMA. Oden > Durant is possible, but with Oden's injuries, it's unfair to say he was clearly a worse prospect than KD. We could go back even further, but I don't think a larger sample size is needed to prove my point.

It's not about my feelings. I rated Ball a better prospect than Fultz long before I knew where the teams woukd be picking.

[HotelVitale]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty.

Nah. No one with a brain and eyes thought either of those things, it was just a discussion that people had for a minute here or there (e.g. 'hmm, is Okafor more NBA-ready?') before making the obvious conclusion that KAT and Simmons were easily superior prospects. Fultz is in a different boat; I though he was the best prospect by a little bit this year but the top 8 or so was much closer together than usual, nothing 'witty' or clever about noticing that.

[LloydFree]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty.

Nah. No one with a brain and eyes thought either of those things, it was just a discussion that people had for a minute here or there (e.g. 'hmm, is Okafor more NBA-ready?') before making the obvious conclusion that KAT and Simmons were easily superior prospects. Fultz is in a different boat; I though he was the best prospect by a little bit this year but the top 8 or so was much closer together than usual, nothing 'witty' or clever about noticing that.

No. You have that wrong with Okafor. For much of that season (at least until the tournament), guys in the draft threads were adamant that Okafor was the #1 prospect and that anybody​ who thought Towns was better was either trying to be different or trying to nitpick the clear #1.

[Sixerscan]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty.

Nah. No one with a brain and eyes thought either of those things, it was just a discussion that people had for a minute here or there (e.g. 'hmm, is Okafor more NBA-ready?') before making the obvious conclusion that KAT and Simmons were easily superior prospects. Fultz is in a different boat; I though he was the best prospect by a little bit this year but the top 8 or so was much closer together than usual, nothing 'witty' or clever about noticing that.

No. You have that wrong with Okafor. For much of that season (at least until the tournament), guys in the draft threads were adamant that Okafor was the #1 prospect and that anybody​ who thought Towns was better was either trying to be different or trying to nitpick the clear #1.

I would say the shift happened around January of that year.

I do remember people getting on Towns about his underwhelming summer league. But that's more just an example of how evaluating these guys based on summer league is dumb.

[Ericb5]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty.

Nah. No one with a brain and eyes thought either of those things, it was just a discussion that people had for a minute here or there (e.g. 'hmm, is Okafor more NBA-ready?') before making the obvious conclusion that KAT and Simmons were easily superior prospects. Fultz is in a different boat; I though he was the best prospect by a little bit this year but the top 8 or so was much closer together than usual, nothing 'witty' or clever about noticing that.

No. You have that wrong with Okafor. For much of that season (at least until the tournament), guys in the draft threads were adamant that Okafor was the #1 prospect and that anybody​ who thought Towns was better was either trying to be different or trying to nitpick the clear #1.

That college season Towns didn't pass Okafor on most draft boards until the end, but here the guy was saying after summer league that people had Okafor over Towns, and I don't remember that at all.

My take is that KAT and Simmons were clearly in their own class by the time of their drafts.

Ball and Jackson aren't in a different class than Fultz in the same manner.

I think that Ball is a better prospect than Fultz by a hair, but Ball is nowhere near Simmons or KAT.


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[HotelVitale]

In 2015 it was Okafor > KAT (especially after SL), in 2016 it was Ingram > Simmons. It seems as though people prefer to go against the grain rather than accept the simple truth in order to look witty.

Nah. No one with a brain and eyes thought either of those things, it was just a discussion that people had for a minute here or there (e.g. 'hmm, is Okafor more NBA-ready?') before making the obvious conclusion that KAT and Simmons were easily superior prospects. Fultz is in a different boat; I though he was the best prospect by a little bit this year but the top 8 or so was much closer together than usual, nothing 'witty' or clever about noticing that.

No. You have that wrong with Okafor. For much of that season (at least until the tournament), guys in the draft threads were adamant that Okafor was the #1 prospect and that anybody​ who thought Towns was better was either trying to be different or trying to nitpick the clear #1.

Other dude was talking about the Okafor-KAT debate 6 months+ later--after the draft and before the NBA reg season started. I'm well aware that Okafor was the leading HS prospect, and that KAT was like 5th-7th on most boards at the start of the year. But KAT was obviously so agile and versatile for his size that anyone with eyes could see he was a better long-term play once about 10 NCAA games had gone by.

[LloydFree]

Nah. No one with a brain and eyes thought either of those things, it was just a discussion that people had for a minute here or there (e.g. 'hmm, is Okafor more NBA-ready?') before making the obvious conclusion that KAT and Simmons were easily superior prospects. Fultz is in a different boat; I though he was the best prospect by a little bit this year but the top 8 or so was much closer together than usual, nothing 'witty' or clever about noticing that.

No. You have that wrong with Okafor. For much of that season (at least until the tournament), guys in the draft threads were adamant that Okafor was the #1 prospect and that anybody​ who thought Towns was better was either trying to be different or trying to nitpick the clear #1.

Other dude was talking about the Okafor-KAT debate 6 months+ later--after the draft and before the NBA reg season started. I'm well aware that Okafor was the leading HS prospect, and that KAT was like 5th-7th on most boards at the start of the year. But KAT was obviously so agile and versatile for his size that anyone with eyes could see he was a better long-term play once about 10 NCAA games had gone by.

You are wrong. Anybody with eyes SHOULD have been able to see that Towns was better than Okafor 10 games in. That was not the case. Guys on this board were calling Towns flat footed and even saying Caulie-Stein was more impressive, all the way up to March. Okafor was #1 all year by the "experts". You are misremembering (maybe because we've seen the outcome.)

[HotelVitale]

Other dude was talking about the Okafor-KAT debate 6 months+ later--after the draft and before the NBA reg season started. I'm well aware that Okafor was the leading HS prospect, and that KAT was like 5th-7th on most boards at the start of the year. But KAT was obviously so agile and versatile for his size that anyone with eyes could see he was a better long-term play once about 10 NCAA games had gone by.

You are wrong. Anybody with eyes SHOULD have been able to see that Towns was better than Okafor 10 games in. That was not the case. Guys on this board were calling Towns flat footed and even saying Caulie-Stein was more impressive, all the way up to March. Okafor was #1 all year by the "experts". You are misremembering (maybe because we've seen the outcome.)

Relax, man. By the time of the draft, a large majority of the people who are used to looking at draft prospects agreed that KAT was the best prospect. That's what we were talking about, and it's not a controversial statement. (Also guys on this board say all sorts of nonsense--I was trying to point out that some folks who do know what they're talking about still had some convos about e.g. Ingram vs Simmons, but they never went that far because the conclusion was pretty obvious. Fultz vs Ball/JJ/Tatum/etc is another sort of discussion.)