OT: WFAN's Craig Carton Arrested & Suspended

[Pharmcat]

Sure.

Kap can't get a job because he spoke up.
That is called STFU and play ball. Common sense tells the world that. The NFL has every right to do exactly what they are doing and we have every right to call it fuqed up bull.

Talk is cheap, make a stand and dont support them, if you really think what the NFL did was truly messed up.

Basically this. Protest the NFL if you think they are wrong. Your freedom of speech allows you to do that.

nfl ratings were down last year and were down again this past TNF match

[HarthorneWingo]

That's why there is a problem. How is this hard to understand? Black folks are not feeling as to why he's not signed. We all know it's not football reasons. Mofo's will beat a female damn near to death, kill(hi Ray), steal or rob and still keep a job in the NFL. Let a dude stand up for civil rights and he's shunned.

It's a modern day n*** rule. He's being told to fall in line.

this is where we are as a society right now when it comes to the NFL: we are ok with druggies playing in it, criminals playing in it, women beaters playing in it, no problem. But a player using his 1st amendment right in a peaceful way: people stop watching and the NFL blackballs him

I don't think a player should lose his right to earn an income because of something that happened off the court.

Now while I do know Kap has a right to exercise his rights, and I do applaud him for doing so, there are risks to it when done at your place of work. Fair or unfair, the risks were known and there.

The risks are dealing with narrow-minded team owners who don't believe in free speech or non-speech. I mean the guy is just taking a knee in silent protest. He's not being disrespectful in the sense of being actively disruptive by, for example, burning a flag or chanting something offensive during the playing of the anthem.

How about this? I don't even see the need to play the darn song before every freaking game. What does that song have to do with pro sports anyhow? Just another stupid tradition being forced upon us paying customers. I heard that in Yankee Stadium if you don't stand for the 7th inning playing of "God Bless America," they will escort you out of the stadium. Yeah, God bless America for all this freedom not to do what I want to do. Thanks. And it's Kate Smith's version of the song. Ew. At least play Ray Charles's "America The Beautiful." I'd stand for Ray. But I'm an atheist and a pacifist (unless somebody gets in my grill or is bullying someone), why should I have to stand for all this talk about a so-called god and bombs bursting in air? You wanna know about "God," well, just before that female Florida real estate agent got murdered by her ex-husband right before Irma landed in Florida, she was on Facebook talking about how this has been the best time in her life and that "God has been so good." Next day, dead. God has a very dark sense of humor.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arrested-death-texas-realtor-missing-harvey-article-1.3483688

It's all a bunch of BS. I think the real reason why the owners are resistant to signing him is that of pressure from local police unions who are saying that if the team signs him, that they're going to strike or not do their jobs. I believe that's what happened in SF.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-union-threatens-to-pull-cops-from-49ers-games-over-kaepernick-protest/

[Pharmcat]

Freedom of speech only protects you from government prosecution. The NFL not signing Kap is not an example of denying free speech nor infringing on his rights.

Sure.

Kap can't get a job because he spoke up.
That is called STFU and play ball. Common sense tells the world that. The NFL has every right to do exactly what they are doing and we have every right to call it fuqed up bull.

pretty much...we call it freedom of speech but if it ends our method of livelihood then how free are we really?

[Pharmcat]

Honestly Kaepernick's biggest issue is that he's not that good at QB. If he were a better player, someone would give him a chance. Look at Ray Rice and Ezekiel Elliot. Rice sucks now and is old, and he hits his wife. Elliot is good and young, and he hits his gf and still has a job. If you're good, you'll keep getting chances until you suck. Then you get no more chances.

I agree with this and it goes back to my point of where we are at as a society where we judge the content of a man's action or crime not on its merit but by how talented that man is in his sport.

[Greenie]

Talk is cheap, make a stand and dont support them, if you really think what the NFL did was truly messed up.

Basically this. Protest the NFL if you think they are wrong. Your freedom of speech allows you to do that.

nfl ratings were down last year and were down again this past TNF match

I damn sure not watching.

[Sark]

Freedom of speech only protects you from government prosecution. The NFL not signing Kap is not an example of denying free speech nor infringing on his rights.

Sure.

Kap can't get a job because he spoke up.
That is called STFU and play ball. Common sense tells the world that. The NFL has every right to do exactly what they are doing and we have every right to call it fuqed up bull.

pretty much...we call it freedom of speech but if it ends our method of livelihood then how free are we really?

It's pretty damn free. In other countries you can get arrested and killed for speaking your mind.

Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. He's free to do whatever he wants otherwise.

[Blockwatcher]

this is where we are as a society right now when it comes to the NFL: we are ok with druggies playing in it, criminals playing in it, women beaters playing in it, no problem. But a player using his 1st amendment right in a peaceful way: people stop watching and the NFL blackballs him

I don't think a player should lose his right to earn an income because of something that happened off the court.

Now while I do know Kap has a right to exercise his rights, and I do applaud him for doing so, there are risks to it when done at your place of work. Fair or unfair, the risks were known and there.

The risks are dealing with narrow-minded team owners who don't believe in free speech or non-speech. I mean the guy is just taking a knee in silent protest. He's not being disrespectful in the sense of being actively disruptive by, for example, burning a flag or chanting something offensive during the playing of the anthem.

How about this? I don't even see the need to play the darn song before every freaking game. What does that song have to do with pro sports anyhow? Just another stupid tradition being forced upon us paying customers. I heard that in Yankee Stadium if you don't stand for the 7th inning playing of "God Bless America," they will escort you out of the stadium. Yeah, God bless America for all this freedom not to do what I want to do. Thanks. And it's Kate Smith's version of the song. Ew. At least play Ray Charles's "America The Beautiful." I'd stand for Ray. But I'm an atheist and a pacifist (unless somebody gets in my grill or is bullying someone), why should I have to stand for all this talk about a so-called god and bombs bursting in air? You wanna know about "God," well, just before that female Florida real estate agent got murdered by her ex-husband right before Irma landed in Florida, she was on Facebook talking about how this has been the best time in her life and that "God has been so good." Next day, dead. God has a very dark sense of humor.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arrested-death-texas-realtor-missing-harvey-article-1.3483688

It's all a bunch of BS. I think the real reason why the owners are resistant to signing him is that of pressure from local police unions who are saying that if the team signs him, that they're going to strike or not do their jobs. I believe that's what happened in SF.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-union-threatens-to-pull-cops-from-49ers-games-over-kaepernick-protest/

Why you blaming God for something a man did?
I agree with you about the freedom to not stand , kneel , sit , or not hire somebody because you think it will hurt profits.
But you ain't gotta bring God into this

[nykballa2k4]

Free speech in America. Everyone loves it until someone does it.

Free speech =/= consequence free speech.
I think it was Don Imus who went on that racist rant on WFAN and lost his job "but but free speech." Of course his speech was hateful, ignorant and awful (coupled with other things). I don't know Imus at all, but I am glad his employer got rid of him after that incident...

Is what Kap doing racist?

What Kap has done to make himself a tough sell on ownership isn't even about race. It isn't about the anthem. It seems to be about his behaviors outside of that which include being just fine with his GF playing with photoshop, encouraging people NOT TO VOTE, and wearing fidel castro clothing.

[nykballa2k4]

Peter **** kay show up..kay is the best on that show

I agree that I don't like Peter, but just for my internal polling results as a Kay fan do you happen to also be a Yankee fan?

Yes i am..legreca dont like basketball thats why i feel him to much either..

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Regarding basketball, all they care about is the personal drama.

[HarthorneWingo]

I don't think a player should lose his right to earn an income because of something that happened off the court.

Now while I do know Kap has a right to exercise his rights, and I do applaud him for doing so, there are risks to it when done at your place of work. Fair or unfair, the risks were known and there.

The risks are dealing with narrow-minded team owners who don't believe in free speech or non-speech. I mean the guy is just taking a knee in silent protest. He's not being disrespectful in the sense of being actively disruptive by, for example, burning a flag or chanting something offensive during the playing of the anthem.

How about this? I don't even see the need to play the darn song before every freaking game. What does that song have to do with pro sports anyhow? Just another stupid tradition being forced upon us paying customers. I heard that in Yankee Stadium if you don't stand for the 7th inning playing of "God Bless America," they will escort you out of the stadium. Yeah, God bless America for all this freedom not to do what I want to do. Thanks. And it's Kate Smith's version of the song. Ew. At least play Ray Charles's "America The Beautiful." I'd stand for Ray. But I'm an atheist and a pacifist (unless somebody gets in my grill or is bullying someone), why should I have to stand for all this talk about a so-called god and bombs bursting in air? You wanna know about "God," well, just before that female Florida real estate agent got murdered by her ex-husband right before Irma landed in Florida, she was on Facebook talking about how this has been the best time in her life and that "God has been so good." Next day, dead. God has a very dark sense of humor.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arrested-death-texas-realtor-missing-harvey-article-1.3483688

It's all a bunch of BS. I think the real reason why the owners are resistant to signing him is that of pressure from local police unions who are saying that if the team signs him, that they're going to strike or not do their jobs. I believe that's what happened in SF.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-union-threatens-to-pull-cops-from-49ers-games-over-kaepernick-protest/

Why you blaming God for something a man did?
I agree with you about the freedom to not stand , kneel , sit , or not hire somebody because you think it will hurt profits.
But you ain't gotta bring God into this

I'm not blaming God for what the ex-husband, I'm saying religious people are under the mistaken belief that there is a god who is involved and interested in their personal lives.

The God issue is an example of how societal norms or traditions are impinging on our first amendment freedoms to express our political, civil and religious grievances or disagreements nonviolently. Why should I have to stand for "God Bless America" at a Yankees' game?

[NY2TheBay]

what is done in the dark comes to the light.

[Capn'O]

what is done in the dark comes to the light.

Also, when the grass is cut the snakes will show

[NY2TheBay]

what is done in the dark comes to the light.

Also, when the grass is cut the snakes will show

[GEOLINK]

what is done in the dark comes to the light.

Sex?

[Greenie]

Free speech =/= consequence free speech.
I think it was Don Imus who went on that racist rant on WFAN and lost his job "but but free speech." Of course his speech was hateful, ignorant and awful (coupled with other things). I don't know Imus at all, but I am glad his employer got rid of him after that incident...

Is what Kap doing racist?

What Kap has done to make himself a tough sell on ownership isn't even about race. It isn't about the anthem. It seems to be about his behaviors outside of that which include being just fine with his GF playing with photoshop, encouraging people NOT TO VOTE, and wearing fidel castro clothing.

He can't control what other people do.
Where and when did he encourage people not to vote? I would love to see that. I know he didn't vote(I don't agree with that at all).

[seren]

NFL made it clear what politics are okay and what are not. A guy like Tebow got multiple chances although he sucked way way worse. He is as political, probably more, as Kap. I am done with NFL and stopped watching this year for good (have cut down over years). It is not even about owners really since they follow their viewers. I have been asking myself for years whether I want my son to play or even follow this sport with all the concussion stuff and the league lying about it. I came to the conclusion no. I don't want him to follow what is now pretty much a redneck sport.

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[Greenie]

what is done in the dark comes to the light.

Always

[Mecca]

Honestly Kaepernick's biggest issue is that he's not that good at QB. If he were a better player, someone would give him a chance. Look at Ray Rice and Ezekiel Elliot. Rice sucks now and is old, and he hits his wife. Elliot is good and young, and he hits his gf and still has a job. If you're good, you'll keep getting chances until you suck. Then you get no more chances.

Wrong. Elliot's case doesn't have video evidence and there are law officers that believe that his ex is just trying to be petty with him as the story doesn't add up.

Secondly, Kaepernick can start on a handful of teams right now. He would make the Jaguars a playoff contender. He'd let the Colts survive without Luck. Do you see the Jets QB situation? Go look at Kaep's TD/INT ratio.

I just copped a Kaepernick jersey and rock it all the time.

[Greenie]

NFL made it clear what politics are okay and what are not. A guy like Tebow got multiple chances although he sucked way way worse. He is as political, probably more, as Kap. I am done with NFL and stopped watching this year for good (have cut down over years). It is not even about owners really since they follow their viewers. I have been asking myself for years whether I want my son to play or even follow this sport with all the concussion stuff and the league lying about it. I came to the conclusion no. I don't want him to follow what is now pretty much a redneck sport.

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My kid is NEVER playing football. Never.
Fall in love basketball, baseball, soccer track and field, tennis or golf. Football will be forbidden.

[Greenie]

Honestly Kaepernick's biggest issue is that he's not that good at QB. If he were a better player, someone would give him a chance. Look at Ray Rice and Ezekiel Elliot. Rice sucks now and is old, and he hits his wife. Elliot is good and young, and he hits his gf and still has a job. If you're good, you'll keep getting chances until you suck. Then you get no more chances.

Wrong. Elliot's case doesn't have video evidence and there are law officers that believe that his ex is just trying to be petty with him as the story doesn't add up.

Secondly, Kaepernick can start on a handful of teams right now. He would make the Jaguars a playoff contender. He'd let the Colts survive without Luck. Do you see the Jets QB situation? Go look at Kaep's TD/INT ratio.

I just copped a Kaepernick jersey and rock it all the time.

There was video of dude doing dumb **** to women.