All Things Luka Doncic

[pacersGM]

MIROTIC12 SAID: Giannis' passing, court vision, and play making ability is below average for EuroLeague guard level. His ball handling is way below average of a typical EuroLeague guard.

Not a good example to use him for any comparison. Doncic's ball handling, passing, play making, court vision are definitely better than Giannis'.

Giannis is only good at those things from the NBA rules and comparing him to other guys his size. Put him in FIBA play, then make him be a guard....and he is below average in those areas under those circumstances. They are two entirely 180 degree opposite kinds of players, so there is really no reason to even be making comparisons between them.
MIROTIC12 STOPPED SAYING


if you would have read the post, you would know i didnt compare doncic and giannis directly, only production wise to paint a picture what kind of production is expected by uber fans from doncic in the nba (8 rebs, 8 assist easy, really? i mean really? and his floor almost an all star?

werent you the one who said, dragic gets burned in european competition each year? that he cant play euro ball?
i dont know, the last time i checked he was the best scorer in the regulat tournament? or is that not enough sofisticated for you? dragic is getting paid to score 20 points per game in the nba because he has the elite skills to do so

and giannis in no way, shape or form can and would be below average in fiba competition. and to say he is only good in nba stuff (that stuff that only the best of the best can do) , its like listening to a 5 year old talking about batman and superman skills funny

and to hear people that giannis doesnt get his rebounds with flair, skills, feel, but with athleticism, thats f... ridicolous. if that would be the case, you would put 2 7 feet volleyball players with 37 inch vertical leaps and they would be getting what? 15 reb per game or what? listen to yourself.

or the claim that the nba is a stat stuffers league ? that doncic wont be getting as many rebounds in the nba because the bigs wont box out for him, because they want better contracts? thats getting ridicolous. to be a stat stuffer in the nba you have to produce, have the skills. and let me tell you something, doncics 6ft7 milky legs, wont get him 8 rebs per game, sorry

[Rn5ho]

Geez is this thread becoming ridiculously hard to read.. so many know-it-all's basing their opinions on the facts they made up in their heads based on "experience" from completely different players and player profiles. Especially pacersGM - **** dude, srsly?! You really sound like you believe everything you write and you're trying way too hard trying to convince us that "there's no way Doncic can get 8rebs" - ffs. Stop it - noone's buying your BS. If you believe that - cool, you stated that xx pages ago, now move on, majority clearly doesn't agree with you and doesn't care about your "expert opinion".

[Bob8]

@pacersGM

If you like Dragic's stats that much, he's 5th scorer at the moment, you should appreciate Doncic's too. He was able to grab 7.5 rebounds, 7th at the moment, 2 more than giant Porzingis, more than Mozgov, Marc Gasol, Saric, Diaw... and doing that with milky legs.

Dragic has this year far the best stats in his career, normally his stats were much below or in the same class as stats. Doncic has this year.

https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/Goran-Dragic

[pacersGM]

Geez is this thread becoming ridiculously hard to read.. so many know-it-all's basing their opinions on the facts they made up in their heads based on "experience" from completely different players and player profiles. Especially pacersGM - **** dude, srsly?! You really sound like you believe everything you write and you're trying way too hard trying to convince us that "there's no way Doncic can get 8rebs" - ffs. Stop it - noone's buying your BS. If you believe that - cool, you stated that xx pages ago, now move on, majority clearly doesn't agree with you and doesn't care about your "expert opinion".

no problem, i agree, but will you tell the same to people who claim he will be a multiple times all-star, and in the same class as harden, wesbrook, lebron, bird?

im all for it if its kept both ways !

i learned my lesson in the locked post, so i add IN MY OPINION each time. you know, so that you cant say im putting it out as a truth?

as far as im concerned the post can be locked as the answer to the topic is: NO, HE CANT AND WONT BE THE no1 PICK, AS TEAMS DONT SEE ENOUGH NBA POTENTIAL IN HIM TO WASTE A 1 PICK ON HIM. in my opinion that is

[pacersGM]

@pacersGM

If you like Dragic's stats that much, he's 5th scorer at the moment, you should appreciate Doncic's too. He was able to grab 7.5 rebounds, 7th at the moment, 2 more than giant Porzingis, more than Mozgov, Marc Gasol, Saric, Diaw... and doing that with milky legs.

Dragic has this year far the best stats in his career, normally his stats were much below or in the same class as stats. Doncic has this year.

https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/Goran-Dragic

i will appreciate doncics NBA stats fi they are anywhere near 8/8/20 in 7 years, and congratulate and hug you with no problem.
but IN MY OPINION it wont happen until then, keep analyzing his every, preseason, mid-season, student, semi-pro, acb league, move he makes, totaly disregarding the fact that he would be the first "milky legged" 6ft7 player to average more then 8 rebounds per game.
but on this forum that seems like an understatement as 10 would be probably better since it would mean he would get a better contract if he would be playing only for stats

[Bob8]

Interesting comparison between All-Rookie Saric and Doncic in Eurobasket. You can see that Doncic is better than Saric in almost everything, playing 5 minutes less. And Saric is pretty good rebounder in Nba.
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Being better than Dario Saric isn't exactly useful for a guy you all keep tossing out names like Magic, Curry, Lebron and Harden to compare.

To compare 2nd best rookie in Nba with 18 years kid, playing the same tournament, isn't useful? And 18 years old school kid is better in almost everything, doesn't tell you anything? Should we compare 18 years old kid with the best players in Nba?;)

[pacersGM]

Interesting comparison between All-Rookie Saric and Doncic in Eurobasket. You can see that Doncic is better than Saric in almost everything, playing 5 minutes less. And Saric is pretty good rebounder in Nba.
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Being better than Dario Saric isn't exactly useful for a guy you all keep tossing out names like Magic, Curry, Lebron and Harden to compare.

To compare 2nd best rookie in Nba with 18 years kid, playing the same tournament, isn't useful? And 18 years old school kid is better in almost everything, doesn't tell you anything? Should we compare 18 years old kid with the best players in Nba?;)

you see stats (phenomenal for a 18 yr old player) i see doncic getting abused on offense by PGs, SGs, SFs.
who will he guard against golden state? curry - probably not, klay - i guesss ... not, kd - i guess not, draymond? hmmm. i guess they will have to hide him somehow on D, the teodosic way?

and now it is a common word around here that he will succed in the nba if he is put in the right place, otherwise not neccesary, if a team wont give him the keys? well lebron, kd, harden, cp3, westbrook (the class you project doncic into) doesnt care wich team they are put on.

[Bob8]

@pacersGM

If you like Dragic's stats that much, he's 5th scorer at the moment, you should appreciate Doncic's too. He was able to grab 7.5 rebounds, 7th at the moment, 2 more than giant Porzingis, more than Mozgov, Marc Gasol, Saric, Diaw... and doing that with milky legs.

Dragic has this year far the best stats in his career, normally his stats were much below or in the same class as stats. Doncic has this year.

https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/Goran-Dragic

i will appreciate doncics NBA stats fi they are anywhere near 8/8/20 in 7 years, and congratulate and hug you with no problem.
but IN MY OPINION it wont happen until then, keep analyzing his every, preseason, mid-season, student, semi-pro, acb league, move he makes, totaly disregarding the fact that he would be the first "milky legged" 6ft7 player to average more then 8 rebounds per game.
but on this forum that seems like an understatement as 10 would be probably better since it would mean he would get a better contract if he would be playing only for stats

Interesting thing is that you appreciate everything what Dragic did in this tournament very much. You were ecstatic when he made 20 points in first half against mighty Poland, you said he was the best scorer in regular tournament (5 games), but when the same stats. are showing Doncic has incredible numbers in rebounds, only Nba counts. I agree we don't know how he will do there, but the problem is, you're 100% sure you know. If some guard or sf is taking more rebounds than Porzingis, M. Gasol, Mozgov, Diaw, Saric..., he most probably have something more than milky legs.

[pacersGM]

Interesting thing is that you appreciate everything what Dragic did in this tournament very much. You were ecstatic when he made 20 points in first half against mighty Poland, you said he was the best scorer in regular tournament (5 games), but when the same stats. are showing Doncic has incredible numbers in rebounds, only Nba counts. I agree we don't know how he will do there, but the problem is, you're 100% sure you know. If some guard or sf is taking more rebounds than Porzingis, M. Gasol, Mozgov, Diaw, Saric..., he most probably have something more than milky legs.

my dragic halftime reports (2x 20+ points in 1 half) where put there with sarcasm, since you compared dragic & doncic during prep games (gorans 5th big tournament prep games, doncic 0 nationa lteam games).

to project doncic or someone per eurobasket stats is stupid. unless you think polands & finlands & ukranian & icelands players will make the journey with doncic to the nba, so he can replicate his numbers.

[Bob8]

Being better than Dario Saric isn't exactly useful for a guy you all keep tossing out names like Magic, Curry, Lebron and Harden to compare.

To compare 2nd best rookie in Nba with 18 years kid, playing the same tournament, isn't useful? And 18 years old school kid is better in almost everything, doesn't tell you anything? Should we compare 18 years old kid with the best players in Nba?;)

you see stats (phenomenal for a 18 yr old player) i see doncic getting abused on offense by PGs, SGs, SFs.
who will he guard against golden state? curry - probably not, klay - i guesss ... not, kd - i guess not, draymond? hmmm. i guess they will have to hide him somehow on D, the teodosic way?

and now it is a common word around here that he will succed in the nba if he is put in the right place, otherwise not neccesary, if a team wont give him the keys? well lebron, kd, harden, cp3, westbrook (the class you project doncic into) doesnt care wich team they are put on.

Please tell me which 18 years school kid can guard Curry & co. It looks to me no one in Nba can guard them.

Every young prospect needs right environment to fully develop their game. You can't compare the best Nba players in their prime to 18 years old school kid. When Doncic will be in his prime he won't care in which team they will put him.

[pacersGM]

To compare 2nd best rookie in Nba with 18 years kid, playing the same tournament, isn't useful? And 18 years old school kid is better in almost everything, doesn't tell you anything? Should we compare 18 years old kid with the best players in Nba?;)

you see stats (phenomenal for a 18 yr old player) i see doncic getting abused on offense by PGs, SGs, SFs.
who will he guard against golden state? curry - probably not, klay - i guesss ... not, kd - i guess not, draymond? hmmm. i guess they will have to hide him somehow on D, the teodosic way?

and now it is a common word around here that he will succed in the nba if he is put in the right place, otherwise not neccesary, if a team wont give him the keys? well lebron, kd, harden, cp3, westbrook (the class you project doncic into) doesnt care wich team they are put on.

Please tell me which 18 years school kid can guard Curry & co. It looks to me no one in Nba can guard them.

Every young prospect needs right environment to fully develop their game. You can't compare the best Nba players in their prime to 18 years old school kid. When Doncic will be in his prime he won't care in which team they will put him.

i was talking about a prime doncic vs GS it would be really stupid to talk about current state prospects vs current prime nba players. i hope you are not talking about doncic getting 8/8/18 in his first years do you?

[Bob8]

Interesting thing is that you appreciate everything what Dragic did in this tournament very much. You were ecstatic when he made 20 points in first half against mighty Poland, you said he was the best scorer in regular tournament (5 games), but when the same stats. are showing Doncic has incredible numbers in rebounds, only Nba counts. I agree we don't know how he will do there, but the problem is, you're 100% sure you know. If some guard or sf is taking more rebounds than Porzingis, M. Gasol, Mozgov, Diaw, Saric..., he most probably have something more than milky legs.

my dragic halftime reports (2x 20+ points in 1 half) where put there with sarcasm, since you compared dragic & doncic during prep games (gorans 5th big tournament prep games, doncic 0 nationa lteam games).

to project doncic or someone per eurobasket stats is stupid. unless you think polands & finlands & ukranian & icelands players will make the journey with doncic to the nba, so he can replicate his numbers.

Why Porzingis, Mozgov, M. Gasol, Saric... are having very similar numbers than in Nba? I would expect they should have at least 20 rbd/game. And you really don't see it's extremely strange 18 year guard/sf having better numbers than Nba C/Pf? Once you said we can't compare Doncic and Dragic in rebounds category because Doncic is much higher. Aren't this players much higher than Doncic and having less rebounds? And he's doing all that with milky legs?

[Bob8]

you see stats (phenomenal for a 18 yr old player) i see doncic getting abused on offense by PGs, SGs, SFs.
who will he guard against golden state? curry - probably not, klay - i guesss ... not, kd - i guess not, draymond? hmmm. i guess they will have to hide him somehow on D, the teodosic way?

and now it is a common word around here that he will succed in the nba if he is put in the right place, otherwise not neccesary, if a team wont give him the keys? well lebron, kd, harden, cp3, westbrook (the class you project doncic into) doesnt care wich team they are put on.

Please tell me which 18 years school kid can guard Curry & co. It looks to me no one in Nba can guard them.

Every young prospect needs right environment to fully develop their game. You can't compare the best Nba players in their prime to 18 years old school kid. When Doncic will be in his prime he won't care in which team they will put him.

i was talking about a prime doncic vs GS it would be really stupid to talk about current state prospects vs current prime nba players. i hope you are not talking about doncic getting 8/8/18 in his first years do you?

Then tell me how you know how Doncic will look in offense and defense in 7 years? And if he will have something like 20/8/8 who will care how he will play in defense?

[pacersGM]

Interesting thing is that you appreciate everything what Dragic did in this tournament very much. You were ecstatic when he made 20 points in first half against mighty Poland, you said he was the best scorer in regular tournament (5 games), but when the same stats. are showing Doncic has incredible numbers in rebounds, only Nba counts. I agree we don't know how he will do there, but the problem is, you're 100% sure you know. If some guard or sf is taking more rebounds than Porzingis, M. Gasol, Mozgov, Diaw, Saric..., he most probably have something more than milky legs.

my dragic halftime reports (2x 20+ points in 1 half) where put there with sarcasm, since you compared dragic & doncic during prep games (gorans 5th big tournament prep games, doncic 0 nationa lteam games).

to project doncic or someone per eurobasket stats is stupid. unless you think polands & finlands & ukranian & icelands players will make the journey with doncic to the nba, so he can replicate his numbers.

Why Porzingis, Mozgov, M. Gasol, Saric... are having very similar numbers than in Nba? I would expect they should have at least 20 rbd/game. And you really don't see it's extremely strange 18 year guard/sf having better numbers than Nba C/Pf? Once you said we can't compare Doncic and Dragic in rebounds category because Doncic is much higher. Aren't this players much higher than Doncic and having less rebounds? And he's doing all that with milky legs?

keep comparing. you got all the stats in the world, you dont even need to watch the actual games, you will do the math, im shure

im out for some time, but when things go out of hand again (into unicorn, anything is possible, lebron-co mvp mode), i will be there to bring you down to earth (a euroleage god, legend / solid nba player) mode again

until then, take care

[Bob8]

my dragic halftime reports (2x 20+ points in 1 half) where put there with sarcasm, since you compared dragic & doncic during prep games (gorans 5th big tournament prep games, doncic 0 nationa lteam games).

to project doncic or someone per eurobasket stats is stupid. unless you think polands & finlands & ukranian & icelands players will make the journey with doncic to the nba, so he can replicate his numbers.

Why Porzingis, Mozgov, M. Gasol, Saric... are having very similar numbers than in Nba? I would expect they should have at least 20 rbd/game. And you really don't see it's extremely strange 18 year guard/sf having better numbers than Nba C/Pf? Once you said we can't compare Doncic and Dragic in rebounds category because Doncic is much higher. Aren't this players much higher than Doncic and having less rebounds? And he's doing all that with milky legs?

keep comparing. you got all the stats in the world, you dont even need to watch the actual games, you will do the math, im shure

im out for some time, but when things go out of hand again (into unicorn, anything is possible, lebron-co mvp mode), i will be there to bring you down to earth (a euroleage god, legend / solid nba player) mode again

until then, take care

And what should we compare? Vertical jump? Basketball is not athletic, at least I hope it isn't.

[Bob8]

Giannis had this stats in his first Eurobasket, being almost 21 years old

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/99285/sid/9322/index.html

and this is his stats in U20 competition,

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/99285/pid2//sid/9350/tid/291/tid2//_/2013_U20_European_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/index.html


Porzingis didn't play before in Eurobasket, but he played U18 competition, when he had 18 years like Doncic this year,

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/89949/sid/9420/index.html


and if we compare future of Nba to Doncic, we can see how much better Doncic is with 18 years,

http://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2017/Luka-Doncic

That doesn't mean Doncic will be ever that good in Nba, but it shows what potential he has. And how unrealistic it is to expect 18 years old should dominate competition in Europe, like american kids are dominating in school. I think this Eurobasket will help Doncic a lot, playing 1 month and a half with Nba veteran, they're in the room together too, should help a lot and taking more responsibility than in Real is very good too.

[BoardCrusher]

Havent read a single post on this last page...

[burek3]

...you crushed this board

[Rn5ho]

+To get back on track: article on Doncic and his performances at Eurobasket with some nice video highlights and compilations.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/9/6/15885208/luka-doncic-nba-draft-2018-eurobasket-scouting-report-video-slovenia

(sorry if it was already posted, easily gets lost in this mindless spam)

Another interesting fact: Only 2 players are averaging 10+ points, 7+ rebounds and 3+ assists at Euro2017 - Luka Doncic and Pau Gasol. In fact, Doncic's stats are just slightly worse than one of the best European players is posting.

Gasol: 15.6/8.4/3.2
Doncic: 13.8/7.5/3.5

I'm not saying Doncic = Gasol or even close. They're completely different profiles of player. I'm saying that Doncic is posting up impressive numbers. Numbers that even the best of the best in Europe wouldn't be ashamed of and most can only dream of.

[tria]

rebounds 1st quarter:
Latvia with Porzingis: 5
Doncic: 5