The Legend of Joel Embiid

[Chris76]

1Q from an outsider

If he averages around 35 ish games this season ( like last year) would you guys still max him out because of his potential?

100%. his potential is GOAT, so there is no question for me

The Sixers wanted to lose. If there was a question about a player's health, they cautiously sat him.
Embiid, Simmons, Covington, and even Saric the last game were benched to recover. Simmons was not rushed to return.

This year, the Sixers have no incentive to lose, it should be great hoping for wins, rather than close losses.
Embiid should play as much is necessary to win. I hope he's ready + healthy for the playoffs.

The end of the season, the team chemistry could be growing. Furthermore, A you tube video showed 4 defenses to defend the PnR with Fultz, Simmons, and Embiid. Each one would be unsuccessful.

Fultz would easily pull up when bigs switched.

Simmons would be deadly, if they trapped Fultz. Simmons would get an open lane to the rim.

Embiid would get open jumpers or easy post ups down low.

I would offer him a max, he could be a franchise player.

[Unbreakable99]

I have a question about Embiid for you guys. Where exactly would you rank him in the NBA? Now we know he has an injury history. That may or may not factor into your ranking so in order to simplify how you rank him I will ask this question in a different way. I'm going to take injuries out of the equation. And I'll ask in this way. If you were playing one game only and only one game where would you rank him?

So while others may have a player like Jokic or Smart over Embiid because they are factoring everything in I doubt anyone would take them over Embiid in one game. I definitely think Embiid is a top 20 player after what he showed. And I know people will say I'm crazy and I know I'm in the minority but in one game I'm taking Embiid over Giannis. I'm not talking an 82 game season. I'm talking one game to determine Embiid's ranking. So yes Embiid is better than Giannis.

The only players I'm taking over Embiid in one game at this time are LeBron KD Curry Kawhi. After they I think you can make a logical argument of taking Embiid over any other player for one game.

[Chris76]

I have a question about Embiid for you guys. Where exactly would you rank him in the NBA? Now we know he has an injury history. That may or may not factor into your ranking so in order to simplify how you rank him I will ask this question in a different way. I'm going to take injuries out of the equation. And I'll ask in this way. If you were playing one game only and only one game where would you rank him?

So while others may have a player like Jokic or Smart over Embiid because they are factoring everything in I doubt anyone would take them over Embiid in one game. I definitely think Embiid is a top 20 player after what he showed. And I know people will say I'm crazy and I know I'm in the minority but in one game I'm taking Embiid over Giannis. I'm not talking an 82 game season. I'm talking one game to determine Embiid's ranking. So yes Embiid is better than Giannis.

The only players I'm taking over Embiid in one game at this time are LeBron KD Curry Kawhi. After they I think you can make a logical argument of taking Embiid over any other player for one game.

Good question. Most of the superstars are perimeter players, Harden, Westbrook, LeBron, KD, Curry, Kawhi, and Giannis. He should be behind them.

However, his rim protection and post game are exceptional. Cousins, Marc Gasol, and Jokic are close, but Embiid could have a larger impact than them. Maybe top 10.

[Sixersftw]

I have a question about Embiid for you guys. Where exactly would you rank him in the NBA? Now we know he has an injury history. That may or may not factor into your ranking so in order to simplify how you rank him I will ask this question in a different way. I'm going to take injuries out of the equation. And I'll ask in this way. If you were playing one game only and only one game where would you rank him?

So while others may have a player like Jokic or Smart over Embiid because they are factoring everything in I doubt anyone would take them over Embiid in one game. I definitely think Embiid is a top 20 player after what he showed. And I know people will say I'm crazy and I know I'm in the minority but in one game I'm taking Embiid over Giannis. I'm not talking an 82 game season. I'm talking one game to determine Embiid's ranking. So yes Embiid is better than Giannis.

The only players I'm taking over Embiid in one game at this time are LeBron KD Curry Kawhi. After they I think you can make a logical argument of taking Embiid over any other player for one game.

For 1 game aka pure talent, he's definitely top 10. Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi, and AD are the only guys that have the two way potential in the same neighborhood. Then you can throw in Westbrook, KD, Harden and Curry for their offensive explosiveness. Thats pretty much the show. I dunno you can argue CP3 and KAT but I'm not exactly persuaded given the two way ability Embiid has.

[ivysixer2000]

I have a question about Embiid for you guys. Where exactly would you rank him in the NBA? Now we know he has an injury history. That may or may not factor into your ranking so in order to simplify how you rank him I will ask this question in a different way. I'm going to take injuries out of the equation. And I'll ask in this way. If you were playing one game only and only one game where would you rank him?

So while others may have a player like Jokic or Smart over Embiid because they are factoring everything in I doubt anyone would take them over Embiid in one game. I definitely think Embiid is a top 20 player after what he showed. And I know people will say I'm crazy and I know I'm in the minority but in one game I'm taking Embiid over Giannis. I'm not talking an 82 game season. I'm talking one game to determine Embiid's ranking. So yes Embiid is better than Giannis.

The only players I'm taking over Embiid in one game at this time are LeBron KD Curry Kawhi. After they I think you can make a logical argument of taking Embiid over any other player for one game.

Good question. Most of the superstars are perimeter players, Harden, Westbrook, LeBron, KD, Curry, Kawhi, and Giannis. He should be behind them.

However, his rim protection and post game are exceptional. Cousins, Marc Gasol, and Jokic are close, but Embiid could have a larger impact than them. Maybe top 10.

Probably top 10, I'd add AD to Chris' list. I see where it can be debated.

If he's willing to do a Curry deal, go sub max, along with incentives....I would have to probably do that. Giving him the max at the moment is kinda hard for me to wrap my mind around. I'm sure all of this is him looking out for his future of course, cause in the back of his mind he doesn't know if he will get injured again. The team still has to look at its future also if he does get hurt.

I'm not a big social media guy, but anyone who was so active as him has a reason for radio silence. Its obvious the first questions he would be asked is about this situation, so why even go there. No matter how much we like Joel, at the end of the day this is a business and should be treated at such.

Honestly I never thought it would be a concern, but it is, so now it has to be dealt with as delicately as possible.

[Winejk]

Was watching 30 for 30 the other night about the Orlando Magic with Shaq, Penny, Horace Grant, Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson. You could see some parallels with the present day Sixers. Up and coming team with a ton of ridiculous talent including two guys that were probably top 10 in the league - Shaq and Penny.

They lowballed Shaq on his contract negotiation, bruised his ego in other ways and he eventually left for LA. Once Shaq left, the whole thing fell apart.

Just a cautionary tale to consider. Granted Embiid has yet to prove himself healthy for a significant time, but the Sixers have a dominant big man with potential side kicks - Simmons and Fultz - and a bunch of good young talent to surround them. Don't blow it like the Magic did.

[HotelVitale]

They lowballed Shaq on his contract negotiation, bruised his ego in other ways and he eventually left for LA. Once Shaq left, the whole thing fell apart. .

There was no rookie scale or RFA stuff at the time--it was a weird year in between contract systems--so Shaq was basically unrestricted AND could've asked for an infinite amount of money. Given the RFA system--which gratly limits the amount of money a post-rookie deal guy can get and gives us full match rights--the Embiid situation (and that of any young player over the past decade plus) is completely different and we don't have to manage it like we would've the Shaq situation.

[BigSleep333]

I have a question about Embiid for you guys. Where exactly would you rank him in the NBA? Now we know he has an injury history. That may or may not factor into your ranking so in order to simplify how you rank him I will ask this question in a different way. I'm going to take injuries out of the equation. And I'll ask in this way. If you were playing one game only and only one game where would you rank him?

So while others may have a player like Jokic or Smart over Embiid because they are factoring everything in I doubt anyone would take them over Embiid in one game. I definitely think Embiid is a top 20 player after what he showed. And I know people will say I'm crazy and I know I'm in the minority but in one game I'm taking Embiid over Giannis. I'm not talking an 82 game season. I'm talking one game to determine Embiid's ranking. So yes Embiid is better than Giannis.

The only players I'm taking over Embiid in one game at this time are LeBron KD Curry Kawhi. After they I think you can make a logical argument of taking Embiid over any other player for one game.

call it a bromance...if health is not a factor, i would take embiid over anybody. his defensive impact is so much bigger than those perimeter guys. rim protection is the biggest factor on defense by far and he is extremely gifted on the offensive end too. he IS that special.

[Kolkmania]

[crazy_me_87]

I really, really hope he stays healthy. He has the Potential to be one of the GOATS.. He is simply not stoppable. That much skill and especially Shooting in basically young Shaq's Body is simply nothing todays NBA can handle. Most Bigs are slimming down because more and more are becoming Stretch Bigs.. i cant think of many who can cope with Joel's Strenght when he is near the Basket.

Health is the Key.

[Ericb5]

I have a question about Embiid for you guys. Where exactly would you rank him in the NBA? Now we know he has an injury history. That may or may not factor into your ranking so in order to simplify how you rank him I will ask this question in a different way. I'm going to take injuries out of the equation. And I'll ask in this way. If you were playing one game only and only one game where would you rank him?

So while others may have a player like Jokic or Smart over Embiid because they are factoring everything in I doubt anyone would take them over Embiid in one game. I definitely think Embiid is a top 20 player after what he showed. And I know people will say I'm crazy and I know I'm in the minority but in one game I'm taking Embiid over Giannis. I'm not talking an 82 game season. I'm talking one game to determine Embiid's ranking. So yes Embiid is better than Giannis.

The only players I'm taking over Embiid in one game at this time are LeBron KD Curry Kawhi. After they I think you can make a logical argument of taking Embiid over any other player for one game.

call it a bromance...if health is not a factor, i would take embiid over anybody. his defensive impact is so much bigger than those perimeter guys. rim protection is the biggest factor on defense by far and he is extremely gifted on the offensive end too. he IS that special.

If health isn't a factor then he is the best prospect in the league in terms of pure potential/ceiling.

I think the question though was more about where he would rank as a player today. Top 10-15 for sure. I probably will take Cousins over him today in a 7 game series, but that is me really just giving Cousins the benefit of the doubt. It wouldn't surprise me if Embiid would out play him head to head in a series today either.


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[Wilfried]

I have another question.
If Embiid's not healthy again this season, do you let him go and go after FA Cousins?

[Unbreakable99]

I have another question.
If Embiid's not healthy again this season, do you let him go and go after FA Cousins?

No. If he broke his foot again he wouldn't be a max player so I'd still try to sign him to a cheap deal. You just can't trust his health. I'm pretty much living and dying with Embiid. It's only a matter of how much money I'm willing to pay him.

[Unbreakable99]

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[Simmons25]

I have another question.
If Embiid's not healthy again this season, do you let him go and go after FA Cousins?

Ugh.. not sure I would want Cousins even if he came free. Hardly proven himself to be a winner.

[Ericb5]

I have another question.
If Embiid's not healthy again this season, do you let him go and go after FA Cousins?

Ugh.. not sure I would want Cousins even if he came free. Hardly proven himself to be a winner.

My feeling with Cousins has always been that he could win if he wasn't the best player. If he came to the Sixers in an Embiid broken leg scenario, he would be playing with Simmons, who may end up being a better player than him, and therefore maybe it could work.


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[Simmons25]

I have another question.
If Embiid's not healthy again this season, do you let him go and go after FA Cousins?

Ugh.. not sure I would want Cousins even if he came free. Hardly proven himself to be a winner.

My feeling with Cousins has always been that he could win if he wasn't the best player. If he came to the Sixers in an Embiid broken leg scenario, he would be playing with Simmons, who may end up being a better player than him, and therefore maybe it could work.


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Yeah and I really don't see him being mature enough to handle that type of role until he is in his 30's though. He is the sort of guy that wants to be the alpha and it probably won't all click in his brain that he could win a ring if he just played 2nd or 3rd fiddle somewhere in a Cleveland or Golden State type scenario.

[Ericb5]

Ugh.. not sure I would want Cousins even if he came free. Hardly proven himself to be a winner.

My feeling with Cousins has always been that he could win if he wasn't the best player. If he came to the Sixers in an Embiid broken leg scenario, he would be playing with Simmons, who may end up being a better player than him, and therefore maybe it could work.


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Yeah and I really don't see him being mature enough to handle that type of role until he is in his 30's though. He is the sort of guy that wants to be the alpha and it probably won't all click in his brain that he could win a ring if he just played 2nd or 3rd fiddle somewhere in a Cleveland or Golden State type scenario.

Playing with Davis is a good test of this because Davis is one of the few players that are legitimately more talented than him.

He one problem is that he Davis and Cousins are more similar in their games than Cousins and Simmons would be.


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[Chris76]

I really, really hope he stays healthy. He has the Potential to be one of the GOATS.. He is simply not stoppable. That much skill and especially Shooting in basically young Shaq's Body is simply nothing todays NBA can handle. Most Bigs are slimming down because more and more are becoming Stretch Bigs.. i cant think of many who can cope with Joel's Strenght when he is near the Basket.

Health is the Key.

On YouTube they have Embiid's 76 shot blocks. It's amazing watching him dismantle big guys like Whiteside, Adams, and other bigs. His timing and sneaky moves are not expected from players.

His offensive skills are remarkable too. He should get 4 or more easy dunks from Simmons.

[LloydFree]

I have another question.
If Embiid's not healthy again this season, do you let him go and go after FA Cousins?

It seems like the last few seasons would have taught us by now, that you can't win with a Center or PF that doesn't play defense.