The Legend of Joel Embiid

[Eyeamok]

Seeing the players that ESPN ranks above Embiid is hilarious. Milsap, Porzingis, Klay Thompson?

They really have to contort themselves to justify Embiid to be ranked in the 30's because they can't bring themselves to rank him based purely on his basketball skills.

They factor in his health, which should have no bearing on who the best players are. The list isn't supposed to be ranked by trade value. It is supposed to be who the best players in the league are.

If Embiid stays healthy this year he will be in the top 5-7 next year, but even today he should be in the 10-15 range at least.

I think that today it is legit to still rank people like KAT, Cousins and Davis ahead of him, along with the Durants, Currys, Lebrons, etc...but so many of the players that they rank ahead of him are nowhere close to him.


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[Unbreakable99]

Seeing the players that ESPN ranks above Embiid is hilarious. Milsap, Porzingis, Klay Thompson?

They really have to contort themselves to justify Embiid to be ranked in the 30's because they can't bring themselves to rank him based purely on his basketball skills.

They factor in his health, which should have no bearing on who the best players are. The list isn't supposed to be ranked by trade value. It is supposed to be who the best players in the league are.

If Embiid stays healthy this year he will be in the top 5-7 next year, but even today he should be in the 10-15 range at least.

I think that today it is legit to still rank people like KAT, Cousins and Davis ahead of him, along with the Durants, Currys, Lebrons, etc...but so many of the players that they rank ahead of him are nowhere close to him.


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I totally get why they ranked Embiid where they did. That's why I asked where would everyone rank Embiid for one game because it takes out the health issue. But it doesn't matter how dominant someone is if they can't stay on the court. But like I said before I'd only take LeBron KD Steph and Kawhi over Embiid without thinking. After them it would be hard for me to justify putting anyone else over him. I could make a case for taking Embiid over any other player in the NBA for one game.

[jbent87]

it's like I touched on before in one of these Embiid threads. There is no grey area with him. If he's playing he's elite. These NBA 2k ratings come out with him as an 84 OVR and its just like really? How do they get to that number? Not to stay with this example for too long but he'll never ever be an "84 OVR" player. If he's on the court he is an unguardable nightmare to go up against. There's no in between area.

Which when you apply that to this team, if Simmons, Embiid and Fultz are all out there healthy, you can spare me with the "thats a young team who will go through growing pains who has to learn to play together." I just don't agree w that. The league has never seen young studs play together the way they will with this group. Simmons and Embiid alone. But now adding Fultz? It's gonna be a joke. Alas, I'll shut up and wait for it to happen, I guess.

[Ericb5]

Seeing the players that ESPN ranks above Embiid is hilarious. Milsap, Porzingis, Klay Thompson?

They really have to contort themselves to justify Embiid to be ranked in the 30's because they can't bring themselves to rank him based purely on his basketball skills.

They factor in his health, which should have no bearing on who the best players are. The list isn't supposed to be ranked by trade value. It is supposed to be who the best players in the league are.

If Embiid stays healthy this year he will be in the top 5-7 next year, but even today he should be in the 10-15 range at least.

I think that today it is legit to still rank people like KAT, Cousins and Davis ahead of him, along with the Durants, Currys, Lebrons, etc...but so many of the players that they rank ahead of him are nowhere close to him.


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I totally get why they ranked Embiid where they did. That's why I asked where would everyone rank Embiid for one game because it takes out the health issue. But it doesn't matter how dominant someone is if they can't stay on the court. But like I said before I'd only take LeBron KD Steph and Kawhi over Embiid without thinking. After them it would be hard for me to justify putting anyone else over him. I could make a case for taking Embiid over any other player in the NBA for one game.

Oh I understand what they are doing. They are factoring health.

It just makes a mockery of the rationale for so many other players. They are combining two different rationales into a single list.

If the list was the players with the highest trade value then it would be one thing, but if it is best players then it is something else.

I mean Giannis has way more trade value than Lebron simply because of him being 10 years younger.

Someone like Melo shouldn't even be in the top 100 if you are talking about trade value. I mean most of the league wouldn't even take him into open cap space at his current salary.

So for each player they are deciding whether they are factoring in other things other than basketball skill or not.

If it is pure basketball value on a court for a single 7 game series then Embiid is top 10 today. Don't call the list the ranking of the top players if you are using things like age, salary, and Health in your evaluation.


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[Sixerscan]

I think it's ranking based on value for this season. So age and contract don't come into play but health does.

[Ericb5]

I think it's ranking based on value for this season. So age and contract don't come into play but health does.

Even if that is the case, contract matters for this year. The Sixers wouldn't take Melo if he was for free and that is probably true of most of the teams in the league.

I mean free as in absorbing his current salary into their cap space if they had it, and not having to trade an asset for him.

On the flip side Melo is still an allstar level player which means that he should be considered one of the top 25 players if that is the calculus. Putting him in the 60's is an insult to his actual basketball skill level.

The only reason that this is complicated is because ESPN is trying to have it both ways. They want the cache of ranking the players, but they don't want to actually make the difficult calls on actual skills.

The simple fix is to have two lists.

1. Top 100 players in the league by current trade value.
2. Top 100 players in the league by current skill level

I would then exclude all rookies from either list.

Embiid will be much lower in list 1 than he would be in list 2.







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[Sixerscan]

I think it's intentionally vague so as meant to create #content.

[LongLiveHinkie]

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[the_process]

No mention of Embiid trolling Durant the other day?

[bball4life]

OK seriously, how on earth could Embiid's health still be an issue?

This feels like one of three things:

1) Everyone has marching orders to communicate ridiculously cautious timetables in order to not set up any expectations at all.
2) Embiid's injury was far more serious than anyone has let on, and we have been lied to
3) Our medical staff and surgeons have the combined intelligence and grace of a monkey humping a football.

If I were betting, I'd bet on option 1 but nothing within this circus would surprise me anymore.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Or option 4)

Embiid's camp is pushing for a new contract and won't let him practice until he gets one because they don't want him to get hurt before he does.

[Kirk Van Houten]

Looks like smoke, smells like smoke. I wonder when they will show us the fire.


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[Ericb5]

If he will be part of the first practice and the first game then it sounds like this is just wavering on the idea of a minutes restriction, which would theoretically just be a consequence of the navicular concern. If they are basing this off any physical difficulties from the Knee then this would be bad news.

Maybe when Bryan said previously that they didn't expect him to have minutes restrictions this year that he was talking out of his ass?

[ivysixer2000]

Well I'm not the kind that thinks they have to tell everything, but they are being wayyy too secretive about Embiid.

'On his transgression of play'.....what does that even mean.

[CoreyGallagher]

Less than a month away, just going to wait and not be speculative.

Fwiw, Brown also said that they're anticipating that his minute restriction won't be as steep this season.

[ankle420breaker]

Or option 4)

Embiid's camp is pushing for a new contract and won't let him practice until he gets one because they don't want him to get hurt before he does.

Or option 5-- he re-injured himself at some point this off-season.

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[eyeatoma]

God god... I knew it.... Whenever we don't hear news about him, or Embiid goes silent something is up... I hate being right about this...I'm so sick and tired of this, and honestly a little sick and tired of Embiid. The Sixers really need to straighten this **** out. They cannot keep dragging the fans along for 4 **** years, about htis undying hope that we have a franchise center. If he's not going to be able to have a decent career, stop making it seem like he could get a near max contract. If he has serious issues with his knee, stop beating around the bush and get it fixed, or trade him. This is such BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CoreyGallagher]

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