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Re: Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread 

Post#1701 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:35 am

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Post#1702 » by BodyCount » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:08 am

woohoo, my ban is over :)

Anyway, I hope that after we crushed Spain by 20, it's obvious to the rest of you that classical slow centers are useless this days (and Spain sure was stacked with them).

I'll keep sticking and pushing for KP playing at C no matter how many wins or rebounds that may cost us the following year (anthony at PF).

How good he'll be at it depends on the rest of the team and on the coaching system. If the coach will expect from him to post up and be a bully, then it will clearly fail.
But if he's expected to catch the ball directly under the basket, tip it in, cut, stretch, contribute to counter attacks, hit the open shots, if the coach will need agility for screens to keep motion offense running, then he'll thrive in it. His stats might not look much better, or might stay the same or get even worse, but that doesn't matter so much, the motion and oportunities of the rest of the team will get better.

Even if gasol and hernangomez brothers scored 80 vs us yesterday, that still doesn't change the fact that with their posts they were killing the game tempo, slowing it down and throwing the rest of the teamates out of rhytm. You can't have nice ball movement if the center is bullying himself under the basket and 4 people are standing and watching.

And that's what I want to watch. I wanted we draft Smith cause he can penetrate and has some drible moves, he would be Dragič on the knicks team. A SG that can reliably hit his open shots and stay in team system, a SF that see's the floor and shoots good (hardaway in our case, oh boy lol), can run and attack and create oportunities for himself with a help of some screens. A PF that can go one on one and beat his man, use a screen and hit an open shot (anthoooony ! :D ) and a center that just rounds it all up and doesn't slow them down.

Now in our case by drafting Ntilikita, which is more a SG then a PG, we've clearly got a bit of a problem, but in a long run we can move his ass to SG and maybe one day get someone like westbrook, and also Hardaway and Antony are selfish and would probably just f*** it all up and make it all look terrible, but still, that's the play toward which we should strive in the next 10 years and while our piecess aren't currently perfect for it, we've got a young core that will not be changing much, and now is the time to start training them and have them fully adapted to such a system and then just add pieces to it, instead of playing some slow ass bull and when the new pieces come, have the whole system changed and reinvent the wheel. Implement the system and identity with it, add the pieces that fit. Exactly what Jackson was saying, except it's not triangle
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Post#1703 » by ChilledAlex » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:06 pm

BodyCount wrote:woohoo, my ban is over :)

Anyway, I hope that after we crushed Spain by 20, it's obvious to the rest of you that classical slow centers are useless this days (and Spain sure was stacked with them).

I'll keep sticking and pushing for KP playing at C no matter how many wins or rebounds that may cost us the following year (anthony at PF).

How good he'll be at it depends on the rest of the team and on the coaching system. If the coach will expect from him to post up and be a bully, then it will clearly fail.
But if he's expected to catch the ball directly under the basket, tip it in, cut, stretch, contribute to counter attacks, hit the open shots, if the coach will need agility for screens to keep motion offense running, then he'll thrive in it. His stats might not look much better, or might stay the same or get even worse, but that doesn't matter so much, the motion and oportunities of the rest of the team will get better.

Even if gasol and hernangomez brothers scored 80 vs us yesterday, that still doesn't change the fact that with their posts they were killing the game tempo, slowing it down and throwing the rest of the teamates out of rhytm. You can't have nice ball movement if the center is bullying himself under the basket and 4 people are standing and watching.

And that's what I want to watch. I wanted we draft Smith cause he can penetrate and has some drible moves, he would be Dragič on the knicks team. A SG that can reliably hit his open shots and stay in team system, a SF that see's the floor and shoots good (hardaway in our case, oh boy lol), can run and attack and create oportunities for himself with a help of some screens. A PF that can go one on one and beat his man, use a screen and hit an open shot (anthoooony ! :D ) and a center that just rounds it all up and doesn't slow them down.

Now in our case by drafting Ntilikita, which is more a SG then a PG, we've clearly got a bit of a problem, but in a long run we can move his ass to SG and maybe one day get someone like westbrook, and also Hardaway and Antony are selfish and would probably just f*** it all up and make it all look terrible, but still, that's the play toward which we should strive in the next 10 years and while our piecess aren't currently perfect for it, we've got a young core that will not be changing much, and now is the time to start training them and have them fully adapted to such a system and then just add pieces to it, instead of playing some slow ass bull and when the new pieces come, have the whole system changed and reinvent the wheel. Implement the system and identity with it, add the pieces that fit. Exactly what Jackson was saying, except it's not triangle


You just didn't say we need Westbrook and say Melo and THJr are too selfish, did you?
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Re: Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread 

Post#1704 » by Side beard » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:10 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
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BodyCount wrote:woohoo, my ban is over :)

Anyway, I hope that after we crushed Spain by 20, it's obvious to the rest of you that classical slow centers are useless this days (and Spain sure was stacked with them).

I'll keep sticking and pushing for KP playing at C no matter how many wins or rebounds that may cost us the following year (anthony at PF).

How good he'll be at it depends on the rest of the team and on the coaching system. If the coach will expect from him to post up and be a bully, then it will clearly fail.
But if he's expected to catch the ball directly under the basket, tip it in, cut, stretch, contribute to counter attacks, hit the open shots, if the coach will need agility for screens to keep motion offense running, then he'll thrive in it. His stats might not look much better, or might stay the same or get even worse, but that doesn't matter so much, the motion and oportunities of the rest of the team will get better.

Even if gasol and hernangomez brothers scored 80 vs us yesterday, that still doesn't change the fact that with their posts they were killing the game tempo, slowing it down and throwing the rest of the teamates out of rhytm. You can't have nice ball movement if the center is bullying himself under the basket and 4 people are standing and watching.

And that's what I want to watch. I wanted we draft Smith cause he can penetrate and has some drible moves, he would be Dragič on the knicks team. A SG that can reliably hit his open shots and stay in team system, a SF that see's the floor and shoots good (hardaway in our case, oh boy lol), can run and attack and create oportunities for himself with a help of some screens. A PF that can go one on one and beat his man, use a screen and hit an open shot (anthoooony ! :D ) and a center that just rounds it all up and doesn't slow them down.

Now in our case by drafting Ntilikita, which is more a SG then a PG, we've clearly got a bit of a problem, but in a long run we can move his ass to SG and maybe one day get someone like westbrook, and also Hardaway and Antony are selfish and would probably just f*** it all up and make it all look terrible, but still, that's the play toward which we should strive in the next 10 years and while our piecess aren't currently perfect for it, we've got a young core that will not be changing much, and now is the time to start training them and have them fully adapted to such a system and then just add pieces to it, instead of playing some slow ass bull and when the new pieces come, have the whole system changed and reinvent the wheel. Implement the system and identity with it, add the pieces that fit. Exactly what Jackson was saying, except it's not triangle


You just didn't say we need Westbrook and say Melo and THJr are too selfish, did you?


10 APG along with 39 FGA per game is not that bad.
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Re: Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread 

Post#1705 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:40 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:

coach nick a damn hustler :lol:


MeUndies. Ha! I was watching and then "WTF?"


his own drawers too. can't say the man isn't committed to his ad revenue.

his transitions are sometimes really annoying, but this one was masterful.
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Post#1706 » by Jay10 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:51 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:

coach nick a damn hustler :lol:


MeUndies. Ha! I was watching and then "WTF?"


his own drawers too. can't say the man isn't committed to his ad revenue.

his transitions are sometimes really annoying, but this one was masterful.


i couldn't stop laughing when he tried to charge people 99 cents to analyze Knicks games last season.
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Re: Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread 

Post#1707 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:59 pm

Jay10 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
MeUndies. Ha! I was watching and then "WTF?"


his own drawers too. can't say the man isn't committed to his ad revenue.

his transitions are sometimes really annoying, but this one was masterful.


i couldn't stop laughing when he tried to charge people 99 cents to analyze Knicks games last season.


boy bout his paper. :lol:
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Re: Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread 

Post#1708 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:00 pm

nobody mad latvia ran triangle yet?
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Post#1709 » by BKlutch » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:03 pm

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Saw this on reddit, thought it was cool lol.

It is. Obviously, one of the Slovenian players missed his defensive assignment.
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Post#1710 » by BKlutch » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:20 pm

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Saw this on reddit, thought it was cool lol.


#7 would've taken the shot after viewing it as a challenge. :lol:

LOL. Maybe yes, but there were 4 totally open players. Possibly 5.
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Post#1711 » by ChaosHamster » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:22 pm

BKlutch wrote:
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Milk wrote:Image

Saw this on reddit, thought it was cool lol.


#7 would've taken the shot after viewing it as a challenge. :lol:

LOL. Maybe yes, but there were 4 totally open players. Possibly 5.


KP probably just pulled up for a fadeaway over 4 people.

He is Melo now.
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Post#1712 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:23 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:

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MeUndies. Ha! I was watching and then "WTF?"



Best part is he is the picture of him wearing his MeUndies. I hope he got paid more to model them for the commercial. :lol:
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Post#1713 » by islanders11040 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:34 pm

Jay10 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
MeUndies. Ha! I was watching and then "WTF?"


his own drawers too. can't say the man isn't committed to his ad revenue.

his transitions are sometimes really annoying, but this one was masterful.


i couldn't stop laughing when he tried to charge people 99 cents to analyze Knicks games last season.

Ill admit i used my free google play credit to pay for it. I used the google rewards app to answer questions for free credit solely for his Knicks breakdowns.
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Post#1714 » by blueNorange » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:55 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:nobody mad latvia ran triangle yet?

i saw it, i kept saying the entire time that it seems like phil knew what he was talking about when he said kristaps fits the triangle.

in other words kristaps moves without the ball.
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Post#1715 » by Tron Carter » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:23 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:nobody mad latvia ran triangle yet?

i saw it, i kept saying the entire time that it seems like phil knew what he was talking about when he said kristaps fits the triangle.

in other words kristaps moves without the ball.


that's not saying much. kp is a special player who can fit many systems.
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Post#1716 » by blueNorange » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:43 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:nobody mad latvia ran triangle yet?

i saw it, i kept saying the entire time that it seems like phil knew what he was talking about when he said kristaps fits the triangle.

in other words kristaps moves without the ball.


that's not saying much. kp is a special player who can fit many systems.

okay, and?

kristaps cutting to the rim and moving without the ball is what phil wanted, you know a system that encourages constant passing and player movement. all latvia proved was that the knicks as a team were either too dumb to pass the ball or too selfish to pass the ball.
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blueNorange wrote:
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blueNorange wrote:i saw it, i kept saying the entire time that it seems like phil knew what he was talking about when he said kristaps fits the triangle.

in other words kristaps moves without the ball.


that's not saying much. kp is a special player who can fit many systems.

okay, and?

kristaps cutting to the rim and moving without the ball is what phil wanted, you know a system that encourages constant passing and player movement. all latvia proved was that the knicks as a team were either too dumb to pass the ball or too selfish to pass the ball.


well phil built that team so i guess he can't properly evaluate/sign players to fit his own antiquated system.
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Post#1718 » by Jstock12 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:07 pm

I think it's obvious that KP is at his best when he's in a system like Latvia's.
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Post#1719 » by Paija » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:16 am

I cannot say that I am fully content with how Latvia performed. They should have made just 2 more points in games against Serbia and Russia and they would have 1st place in group. There were also some stupid plays in last game, BUT what I most wanted to see is Kristaps in Latvian offense.
When it was announced that Kristaps will play in Eurobasket, I wrote that it will be good for his development while majority of posters at the time were angry at missing exit meeting or afraid of KP getting injuries and doing too little individual off-season work (I do not know how to find that post so cannot prove it).
But Latvia as a team positively surprised me, especially during that difficult game vs. Russia. Now we can say that in this tournament we lost just to the finalists.
And Knicks could get an idea how to best incorporate Kristaps.
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Post#1720 » by dakomish23 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:41 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:nobody mad latvia ran triangle yet?

i saw it, i kept saying the entire time that it seems like phil knew what he was talking about when he said kristaps fits the triangle.

in other words kristaps moves without the ball.


that's not saying much. kp is a special player who can fit many systems.


100% this.

Can't wait to see him in a more wide open system with PGs wont catapult themselves against multiple defenders and completely ignore him when he's wide open.

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