Bengals Lead Up - Bakh, Brice, Cobb, Daniels, House, Perry, Ryan DOUBTFUL

[MickeyDavis]

We're banged up and playing our next 2 games in a 4 day span. But they are both at home and against crappy teams. Need a win obviously. I'm sure the new OC will try to do some different things, things that aren't on tape. We need Daniels back. Give King more PT. Hopefully Cobb is ok. As I said in the game thread last night, lots of talk during the offseason about letting Cobb go after this season given Adams upcoming extension since we shouldn't pay 3 WR's ~$10 million but I'm not so sure Cobb should be the one to go. It might e Jordy's time.

And please Bennett, catch the ball.

Nantz/Romo doing the game. I normally hate CBS games, I think their production sucks and Simms sucked. Romo though has been pretty good from what I've seen of him and I'm looking forward to hearing him on Sunday.

[FAH1223]

Bengals seem to be in free fall but the Packers can't seem to beat them historically. We've lost to them in 2005, 2009, and 2013. How does Marvin Lewis still have a HC gig there? It's Capers on steroids.

Don't underestimate Andy Dalton finding his groove against this Dom Capers defense... and our DBs playing like idiots i.e. Rollins/Randall.

[MickeyDavis]

I won't be surprised at all if Dalton gets hot. A 34-31 game could certainly be in the cards.

Pack favored by 9. O/U is 45.5

[humanrefutation]

Danny Kelly at The Ringer offered his take on whether the Packers should hit the panic button.

In the meantime, despite that ugly box score, there’s reason for optimism in two of the Packers’ key problem areas from last season. There’s little doubt anymore: The run game’s in good hands with Ty Montgomery, who continues to look like a game changer with breakaway speed, excellent vision, and tackle-breaking ability. You might not take that away from his line Sunday night—35 yards on 10 carries with a touchdown—but after falling behind early, Green Bay had to lean on the passing game, where Montgomery added 75 yards and a score, trucking defenders on a few occasions along the way. As for the Packers’ leaky pass defense from last year, rookie cornerback Kevin King could end up being the catalyst for a huge jump forward. The second-rounder showed plenty of promise lining up against the Falcons’ dangerous pass catchers—even shadowing Julio Jones at times—and didn’t give up a catch on four coverage targets. The lack of depth in the secondary was the Packers’ Achilles’ heel last season, and, based on early returns, King looks like a huge upgrade in the secondary and a player that could be an integral piece of Dom Capers’s unit this year.

Besides, slow starts seem to be an annual tradition for the Packers. The team that won the Super Bowl after the 2010 season started off 3-3, as did the squad that lost in the divisional round in the 2012 season. In 2014 Rodgers had to tell Green Bay fans to R-E-L-A-X after a 1-2 start before the team rattled off wins in 11 of its next 13 games to earn a trip to the postseason. Last season a 4-6 start prompted Rodgers to proclaim the Packers could “run the table,” and they did; six straight wins got them a spot in playoffs.

The Packers still have the most talented quarterback on the planet. Unless that changes, or until they’re mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, I’m not counting out Green Bay.

[GBPackers47]

Danny Kelly at The Ringer offered his take on whether the Packers should hit the panic button.

In the meantime, despite that ugly box score, there’s reason for optimism in two of the Packers’ key problem areas from last season. There’s little doubt anymore: The run game’s in good hands with Ty Montgomery, who continues to look like a game changer with breakaway speed, excellent vision, and tackle-breaking ability. You might not take that away from his line Sunday night—35 yards on 10 carries with a touchdown—but after falling behind early, Green Bay had to lean on the passing game, where Montgomery added 75 yards and a score, trucking defenders on a few occasions along the way. As for the Packers’ leaky pass defense from last year, rookie cornerback Kevin King could end up being the catalyst for a huge jump forward. The second-rounder showed plenty of promise lining up against the Falcons’ dangerous pass catchers—even shadowing Julio Jones at times—and didn’t give up a catch on four coverage targets. The lack of depth in the secondary was the Packers’ Achilles’ heel last season, and, based on early returns, King looks like a huge upgrade in the secondary and a player that could be an integral piece of Dom Capers’s unit this year.

Besides, slow starts seem to be an annual tradition for the Packers. The team that won the Super Bowl after the 2010 season started off 3-3, as did the squad that lost in the divisional round in the 2012 season. In 2014 Rodgers had to tell Green Bay fans to R-E-L-A-X after a 1-2 start before the team rattled off wins in 11 of its next 13 games to earn a trip to the postseason. Last season a 4-6 start prompted Rodgers to proclaim the Packers could “run the table,” and they did; six straight wins got them a spot in playoffs.

The Packers still have the most talented quarterback on the planet. Unless that changes, or until they’re mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, I’m not counting out Green Bay.

Man is it disappointing to keep reading things like "lack of depth in the secondary" when it feels like that's where we've put so much attention the last few years.

[humanrefutation]

Danny Kelly at The Ringer offered his take on whether the Packers should hit the panic button.

In the meantime, despite that ugly box score, there’s reason for optimism in two of the Packers’ key problem areas from last season. There’s little doubt anymore: The run game’s in good hands with Ty Montgomery, who continues to look like a game changer with breakaway speed, excellent vision, and tackle-breaking ability. You might not take that away from his line Sunday night—35 yards on 10 carries with a touchdown—but after falling behind early, Green Bay had to lean on the passing game, where Montgomery added 75 yards and a score, trucking defenders on a few occasions along the way. As for the Packers’ leaky pass defense from last year, rookie cornerback Kevin King could end up being the catalyst for a huge jump forward. The second-rounder showed plenty of promise lining up against the Falcons’ dangerous pass catchers—even shadowing Julio Jones at times—and didn’t give up a catch on four coverage targets. The lack of depth in the secondary was the Packers’ Achilles’ heel last season, and, based on early returns, King looks like a huge upgrade in the secondary and a player that could be an integral piece of Dom Capers’s unit this year.

Besides, slow starts seem to be an annual tradition for the Packers. The team that won the Super Bowl after the 2010 season started off 3-3, as did the squad that lost in the divisional round in the 2012 season. In 2014 Rodgers had to tell Green Bay fans to R-E-L-A-X after a 1-2 start before the team rattled off wins in 11 of its next 13 games to earn a trip to the postseason. Last season a 4-6 start prompted Rodgers to proclaim the Packers could “run the table,” and they did; six straight wins got them a spot in playoffs.

The Packers still have the most talented quarterback on the planet. Unless that changes, or until they’re mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, I’m not counting out Green Bay.

Man is it disappointing to keep reading things like "lack of depth in the secondary" when it feels like that's where we've put so much attention the last few years.

True, but we've also lost a lot of depth in the secondary to forces outside of our control - injury (Collins, Shields), age (Tramon, Woodson), free agency (Hayward, Hyde, Tramon, House).

It's hard for me to judge our depth as it stands. Rewind 12 months ago, and I had lots of optimism about our young corners - Randall, Rollins, and Gunter. Fast-forward to the end of the season, and all three of them have struggled with injuries or have otherwise been roasted in the playoffs.

Now we have King and Jones added to the mix, with some more work for Brice as well. All three of them give us reasons for optimism, but we won't truly know how good they are until they're put on an island and expected to cover for extended periods of time.

[Kerb Hohl]

I've basically just had my finger stuck on the snooze button for about 3 years. We'll make the playoffs. We can pray to avoid a dominant QB or that something fluky goes our way but otherwise we'll lose 45-30 to somebody in the playoffs in a game where McCarthy punts 3 times in the first half on 4th and 3 from the 50.

[crkone]

I love King's makeup speed and length. He'll be invaluable on those crossing routes. I can see a few diving INTs in his future.

[GBPackers47]

Danny Kelly at The Ringer offered his take on whether the Packers should hit the panic button.

Man is it disappointing to keep reading things like "lack of depth in the secondary" when it feels like that's where we've put so much attention the last few years.

True, but we've also lost a lot of depth in the secondary to forces outside of our control - injury (Collins, Shields), age (Tramon, Woodson), free agency (Hayward, Hyde, Tramon, House).

It's hard for me to judge our depth as it stands. Rewind 12 months ago, and I had lots of optimism about our young corners - Randall, Rollins, and Gunter. Fast-forward to the end of the season, and all three of them have struggled with injuries or have otherwise been roasted in the playoffs.

Now we have King and Jones added to the mix, with some more work for Brice as well. All three of them give us reasons for optimism, but we won't truly know how good they are until they're put on an island and expected to cover for extended periods of time.

I will be patient with King and Jones because they deserve the time, and I think Brice has done enough to get me on board.

I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to the fundamentals of football, but can you (or anyone) explain why we refuse to put a finger on the receiver at the line? Does it have to do with size? Speed? Combination of both? Just seems like every passing play, the opponent is given a full head of steam to run and make their cuts.

[Turk Nowitzki]

So just to recap, heading into Week 3 and we don't really know the health statuses of:

Bulaga
Bakthiari
Brice
Brooks
Cobb
Daniels
House
Nelson


Did I miss anyone?

[ReasonablySober]

McCarthy is turning Rodgers into Alex Smith.

[RRyder823]

Man is it disappointing to keep reading things like "lack of depth in the secondary" when it feels like that's where we've put so much attention the last few years.

True, but we've also lost a lot of depth in the secondary to forces outside of our control - injury (Collins, Shields), age (Tramon, Woodson), free agency (Hayward, Hyde, Tramon, House).

It's hard for me to judge our depth as it stands. Rewind 12 months ago, and I had lots of optimism about our young corners - Randall, Rollins, and Gunter. Fast-forward to the end of the season, and all three of them have struggled with injuries or have otherwise been roasted in the playoffs.

Now we have King and Jones added to the mix, with some more work for Brice as well. All three of them give us reasons for optimism, but we won't truly know how good they are until they're put on an island and expected to cover for extended periods of time.

I will be patient with King and Jones because they deserve the time, and I think Brice has done enough to get me on board.

I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to the fundamentals of football, but can you (or anyone) explain why we refuse to put a finger on the receiver at the line? Does it have to do with size? Speed? Combination of both? Just seems like every passing play, the opponent is given a full head of steam to run and make their cuts.

Alot of fans would prefer to bump the reciever every play but the truth is there's a multitude of reasons both for and against.

1st n foremost you need guys that can do it effectively and not end up trailing after the reciever gets off the line.

2: playing off gives the CB the abilty to eye the QB and jump potential slant routes while also potentially allowing the CB to read other routes the WR is running. (Think QB in the shotgun and how it gives more time for him to scan the field)

3: If they're playing zone the points in point 2 become more apparent

4: when the offense goes into bunch sets and/or starts running pick and crossing plays having guys all on the line together doesn't allow for room for them to follow their man without getting taken out of the play.

5: when playing against speedsters stretching the field playing off can have the benifit of allowing the CB to guess on a route wrong while giving them a couching to recover.








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[WeekapaugGroove]

So just to recap, heading into Week 3 and we don't really know the health statuses of:

Bulaga
Bakthiari
Brice
Brooks
Cobb
Daniels
House
Nelson


Did I miss anyone?

Yeah that's a scary list. With the way the Packers injury luck is going I'm bracing for at least 1 unexpected really bad news announcement. Really don't want to hear MM say the dreaded "Significant injury" line.

On a positive sign it seemed like Brooks was getting closer to being cleared from his concussion. They could use him; both Matthews and Perry played more snaps last night than is ideal and they will need some additional depth with the short week coming up.

[jazzfanWA]

So just to recap, heading into Week 3 and we don't really know the health statuses of:

Bulaga
Bakthiari
Brice
Brooks
Cobb
Daniels
House
Nelson


Did I miss anyone?

The week is still young....

[WeekapaugGroove]

If cobb and or nelson miss time I'm curious to see what they do at wr. Allison played a ton and gave them very little. He needs to step up. Davis and jannis only seem trusted on special teams which they can get away with when fully healthy but with guys out they need to actually be wrs or not be on the team anymore.

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[dools644]

We'll probably be 3-1 in 10 days but I couldn't care less. We're the same team that will beat up on crap and fold under the lights.

Look at that schedule. You can pencil in losses to Carolina and Pittsburgh, one and possibly two to Detroit. Likely Dallas. Throw in @Minn, @Chi, Balt, you figure at least one is a loss.

10-6 and and a blowout loss to a real contender in January. I've given up on this organization under its current direction. It needs a gutting on the defensive side of the ball. A 100% gutting.

[MickeyDavis]

Cobb having MRI today

[MickeyDavis]

Pats got blown out at home, Dallas looked horrible yesterday. Seattle looks bad. I know it's deja vu with the defense but I'm not ready to call it a season.

[bigkurty]

We'll probably be 3-1 in 10 days but I couldn't care less. We're the same team that will beat up on crap and fold under the lights.

Look at that schedule. You can pencil in losses to Carolina and Pittsburgh, one and possibly two to Detroit. Likely Dallas. Throw in @Minn, @Chi, Balt, you figure at least one is a loss.

10-6 and and a blowout loss to a real contender in January. I've given up on this organization under its current direction. It needs a gutting on the defensive side of the ball. A 100% gutting.

On the other hand, we played the hardest schedule in the league through two games and will most likely be top 10 in defense after tonight's games.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah I don't get the sky is falling stuff. This is the nfl even the best teams lose around 25% of their games. Plus injuries hit nearly every team, lets see whos healthy in January before giving up on the season.

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