dakomish23 wrote:battabing10 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:A. Usage rate consists of made FGs + FTs, missed FGs + FTs, play turnovers. It is not indicative of how often the person has the ball in their hands.
You should utilize true usage rate
https://fansided.com/stats/true-usage/B. Who is exonerating Melo?
C. Melo is not the PG. DRose was the PG. and he failed night in night out in getting the ball to KP.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2695672-derrick-rose-ignores-wide-open-kristaps-porzingis-porzingis-reactsThe discussion began with how much better KP will do without a PG who is consistently ignoring him. PG. Not a forward who is not the floor general.
And even then, it was close:
DRose - 1.1 APG to KP and KP shot 45%
Melo? 0.9 APG to KP and KP shot 48%
Do you disagree that Derrick Rose stunted KP's growth?
I don't disagree. He stunted KP6's growth-- he was the primary culprit. Rose was a horrible horrible horrible pickup. Horrible because he plays zero defense, horrible because he has piss-poor playmaking abilities, and horrible because he should never have had ANY sort of higher usage rate than KP6, no matter *which* usage rate you use. I saw it a mile away, and if Jackson had not had to consider Melo's "window" that trade would never have taken place. Last year should have been just as much about grooming KP6 as it was about Melo's window, and the trade tilted to the former at the expense of the latter. Again-- pathetic!
I looked at your link, but it was for 15-16 not last year. My hunch is that the disparity between Rose and Melo's usage on one hand and KP6's usage on the other will be significant if they had the 16-17 season available.
But the larger point is that basketball is a team game, and the better teammates are those who find he right balance between having the ball in their hands to make plays for themselves on the one hand, and making plays for others on the other hand. We can agree that Rose has been revoltingly bad on this front, like most so-called "score-first point guards" or scoring point guards" (blecchhh). But what does not help is *Melo's* balance between the two, which compounds the problem. Usual Melo's balance is *not* a balance in this regard, which further erodes KP6's effectiveness-- since KP6 will end up getting the ball too late in the possession and end up rushing. This is maybe one reason why so many fans are sick and tired of Melo. Dad Melo, on the other hand, struck a much better balance of scoring for himself and making plays for others, whether with direct assists or hockey assists or simply keeping the ball moving. Big picture, this has been the red thread of Melo's career, and excusing him as an "elite scorer" is just a lousy rationalization befitting fans who just don't understand basketball.
So we all caught a glimpse of what sort of player Melo *could* be, and to see him revert last year has alienated many fans. In this regard, you have to consider that Melo, too, has stunted KP6's growth, and just because KP6 has never publicly groused does not mean there is not some undercurrent of resentment there. That putative internal conflict would put any young man into a situation where he has to use selective memory in order to cope with the ugly truth.
And with that, I expect that KP6 will have the ball in is hands more this year, will have a higher usage rate, AND will start getting more assists and hockey assists. All we've seen of KP6 is basically as a finisher, which he has been reduced to for no good reason. So if he doesn't improve in the area of balancing-- presuming he sees the ball more and earlier in possessions, then I will be disappointed. I also want to see his TS% get to 57-58% this year.
Disagree on the Melo window assumption. PJax had the final say and he chose to trade for DRose. The same way he passed on Dragic and Rondo. If it was about Melo's window, why didn't he trade for those guys back then? And if it was only about Melo's window, why was PJax trying to push Melo out the door while saying in the same press conference that he was open to bringing back DRose? Wouldn't he be kicking DRose to the curb if it was only about Melo??
Elite scorers who find that balance between being aggressive and trusting their teammates become the most elite players. Melo has never found that balance here outside 15-16. That doesn't mean being an elite scorer alone is useless. What you call an excuse, I call recogznizing him for what he is.
Did you really just create an undercurrent of resentment on behalf of KP towards Melo? Cmon man. We have enough drama that's real.
Once again circling back to the original post from a few pages back: KP will only be better now that his PG will not be ignoring him consistently. This kid is so underutilized and I'm excited to see PGs making it a priority to set him up.
“Goran Dragic, for one. I heard through the grapevine that he was open to coming here. We worked hard on that possibility, but the asking
price was too dear. Maybe we worked on that possibility so much so that it distracted us. I mean, Dragic is every team’s current choice for a nuclear option —
a guard who can penetrate and either score or kick. Guys like Chris Paul and James Harden. But, anyway,
that’s not really the way I want us to play.”
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/07/27/phil-jackson-says-knicks-wanted-goran-dragic-at-trade-deadline-because-hes-such-a-triangle-fit/“
The triangle is not really a good look for me, I don’t think,” Rondo responded. The source said Rondo was not in any way demeaning its use, just stating his opinion about how his skills would fit." “The triangle is not really a good look for me, I don’t think,” Rondo responded. The source said Rondo was not in any way demeaning its use, just stating his opinion about how his skills would fit.
http://nypost.com/2016/02/15/did-blasting-rajon-rondo-blast-derek-fisher-off-knicks/the idea of a melo window and jackson's wish (or maybe it was part of dolan's mandate) to address it is well documented. i have quoted them already before, and it too like the quotes i cite is all there in black and white.
very few people back in february 2011 wanted to wait it out to get melo as a free agent. most were of the mind that "i would do that trade 100 times out of a hundred" and "if we didn't get him he would have been a net." to the first assertion i say you are wrong and you never trade for a one-dimensional player and to the second i would say so what? it would have meant a year as a net and then he'd be a knick. how do we know this? because he said so, ie "i want to be a knick."
RIP mags
