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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#481 » by montestewart » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:23 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:There are two problems with this part of your post. The first is to lump all Democrats into the same pot. The second is to say that identity politics is there sole platform. It isn't.

Democrats have stayed together on the federal level as a voting block - but there is quite a bit of angst about where the party is headed - you need only watch the DNC battling to see who would be it head to understand this.

And you can go to their party platform to see what they try to stand for:
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

It confused me too, because I can usually keep track of general positions, and it didn't seem like a Pointgod statement. Look closer, it was actually a quote of STD20's post.


my mind wanders. i often ramble on tangential topics without much explanation. What is confusing? I'll try to explain.

I think you are confused about what I was confused about, so no explanation needed.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#482 » by Wizardspride » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:31 pm

@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#483 » by doclinkin » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:35 pm

payitforward wrote:Here I go:

I come from a family of Viennese Jews. Those who managed to escape the Nazis got to the US in 1940.

On my Father's side, only he & 1 of his 2 sisters got out of Europe. His parents & his youngest sister, who was 18, were murdered in the gas chambers at Auschwitz. All the rest of my Father's extended family also died in the camps with the exception of 1 person -- a second cousin, now in her mid-70s, who managed to find us online a few years ago.

Though my Father escapeed, it was short-lived; he died a few years later of a liver disease he picked up in a French camp. I was 4 & my sister was only 10 months old.

My Mother's immediate family (parents & siblings) all got out of Europe. But the rest of her extended family died in Nazi extermination camps or were murdered before they got to them.

In Europe my Father's family had been wealthy, but I grew up in extremely modest circumstances. We lived in a small rental apartment until I was a teenager, when a very partial monetary settlement for what had been stolen from my family helped, though by no means did it make us rich or even "upper" middle class.

My urban neighborhood was quite mixed, so that my circle as a kid included Chinese, black, Appalachian, etc. friends. & here's a fun fact: my best friend through most of those years became, much later, one of the 2-3 most prominent movie stars of our time! I'll never forget looking up at a movie screen one day in my early '30s & suddenly realizing, "whoa! that's Xxxxx!!"

My family bought a house in the suburbs when I was a teenager. The few years I lived there I spent a lot of time in the neighboring larger suburb which had a sizable black minority & also had a university. I was already a jazz & blues fanatic. Starting at about 15 I was back in the city at jazz & blues clubs 1 or 2 nights a week. I was writing by the time I was 14 as well, so I also frequented the "beatnik" & "folk" scenes -- to the degree that a twerpy little teenager could get away with it!!

2d fun fact: I bought Miles Davis a drink when I was 15. It's true.

Freedom of thought, diversity of experience, education for all, human (i.e. "civil" & "immigrant") rights -- these were the 'political' issues that meant something to me growing up & have continued to seem of the utmost importance. They came to me via my family experience but equally via my own cultural interests.

Although I studied (& studied with) plenty of conservative thinkers in college & grad school, I never had any flirtation with "conservatism" myself; I never saw any reason to. For a while, I'd have called myself a "Marxist," but then, over time, utopian theories of every stripe began to seem pointless to me.

As a voter, I'm a Democrat. Always have been & no doubt always will be. For the simple reason that I've consistently found that the Democratic party held positions closer to mine than the Republican party on the issues that matter most to me. Of course, there's always been plenty to critique in the Democratic party as well, & individual Democrats have taken stands aplenty with which I have disagreed deeply, while individual Republicans sometimes have taken stands I agree with.

I know plenty of conservatives: my brother-in-law is a well-known conservative economist. My sister is an economist as well. I've spent lots of time socially & in intellectual debate with any number of people in that world whose names some here would certainly know. Traditional conservatism is a respectable pov intellectually. It has points to make. It's not tied in any way to the stupid stuff one reads from Breitbart or other "alt.right" sources. Above all, it has no inherent relationship with any form of demagoguery or with Fascism. Or, for that matter, with Donald Trump who holds no conservative (or other) principles I can discern.

So, there you go. That's my politics & where they came from. I'm hoping to stimulate a similar narrative from you, nate.


Wish we had a thread for this sort of personal narrative. otherwise maybe I'll just post links to them in the HOF thread to follow up on later. Still slacking on my own version, busy is all. Thanks for that though
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#484 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:37 pm

Pointgod wrote:
I have a hard time believing that you're a Bernie supporter because Bernie would have been the biggest entitlement President in history. What you write and what you claim to believe in is full of contradictions.


try to clean up your "quoting." its hard to read and confusing people.

it's quite simple. I'm not a robot. I'm a true independent. I acknowledge all the major issues in each party. The candidates as well. Bernie had a ton of issues. Trump has a ton and HRC has a ton. I'm willing to honestly discuss all the flaws in modern politics. I'm not here to pick sides. You will understand my positions better when you stop trying to lump me into a "side."

I'm on my own independent thinking side. I dont care about emotional arguments over math and science. And I would love to think more broadly about the citizens of the world but I'm more concerned about the people here at home first.

Its just that simple for me as complex as the calculus behind it all appears.
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#485 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:38 pm

montestewart wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Spoiler:
stilldropin20 wrote:the economy has been 100% trump. the dow. the credit markets. the money supply. employment participation. unempoloyment. everything began to turn hard right away from the recession on November 8th because trump campaigned on 15% corporate tax rate which would repatriate trillions of (american business) dollars currently paying as low as 10% in countries like Ireland (Apple). as well as bring back manufacturing. keeping current manufacturing in place. get out of bad paris accord where the US who has 1/100th the carbon foot print of India and china yet have more restrictions. etc. etc.

these are the reasons your 401K was down in october 2017 from its high in 2008 and instead of being down in now 10-15% higher depending on how aggressive your holdings. These are all Trump. The economy has all been trump. No way around that. None.

I'm sorry. I rarely feel moved to write in quite this way, but, stilldropin20,
you are an utter idiot.

Spoiler:
Trump has had no effect whatever on the economy. If anything his anti-nafta moves have raised prices (e.g. on Canadian lumber -- making houses more expensive to build).

The economy didn't "begin to turn" one bit after his election, & it hasn't since his election. The economy kept going along as it has. Employment continued to raise modestly month by month -- as it had under Obama -- & economic growth hasn't changed either.

Above all, to confuse a rise in the dow with "the economy" is just too dimwitted to let pass. Nor were we "in a recession" when Trump was elected. Nor do you have the slightest notion (b/c no one could) of what the Dow would have done had Clinton been elected. Or Sanders, had he been the candidate.

Your analysis of why the dow was down from its '08 high is also idiotic -- you made it up!

There is no tax policy that would repatriate trillions of dollars. & manufacturing, globally, is losing jobs every single day & won't stop losing jobs. China today, vs. 10 years ago, has 25% fewer people working in manufacturing.

Any thoughts as to why that is? Actually... any thoughts at all?

PIF, I assumed you or Zonker would respond to this. There's an element of baiting happening here, and you're way too smart to fall for it. Try to skip the name calling, because your arguments (which I agree with) do the job just fine.

I'll admit, there is comedy gold in, "When you need a realtor who's also a dentist, call..."

Monte I remember who used to be a dentist, too.

I'm not talking about Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors.



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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#486 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:41 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
montestewart wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm sorry. I rarely feel moved to write in quite this way, but, stilldropin20,
you are an utter idiot.

Spoiler:
Trump has had no effect whatever on the economy. If anything his anti-nafta moves have raised prices (e.g. on Canadian lumber -- making houses more expensive to build).

The economy didn't "begin to turn" one bit after his election, & it hasn't since his election. The economy kept going along as it has. Employment continued to raise modestly month by month -- as it had under Obama -- & economic growth hasn't changed either.

Above all, to confuse a rise in the dow with "the economy" is just too dimwitted to let pass. Nor were we "in a recession" when Trump was elected. Nor do you have the slightest notion (b/c no one could) of what the Dow would have done had Clinton been elected. Or Sanders, had he been the candidate.

Your analysis of why the dow was down from its '08 high is also idiotic -- you made it up!

There is no tax policy that would repatriate trillions of dollars. & manufacturing, globally, is losing jobs every single day & won't stop losing jobs. China today, vs. 10 years ago, has 25% fewer people working in manufacturing.

Any thoughts as to why that is? Actually... any thoughts at all?

PIF, I assumed you or Zonker would respond to this. There's an element of baiting happening here, and you're way too smart to fall for it. Try to skip the name calling, because your arguments (which I agree with) do the job just fine.

I'll admit, there is comedy gold in, "When you need a realtor who's also a dentist, call..."

Monte I remember who used to be a dentist, too.

I'm not talking about Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors.



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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#487 » by doclinkin » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:48 pm

Ruzious wrote:So, there you go. That's my politics & where they came from. I'm hoping to stimulate a similar narrative from you, nate.

As the saying goes, you could write a book -[/quote]

Or a few... but nobody reads poetry anyway

a saying my grandmother used to use whenever I asked about her life. 3 of my 4 grandparents grew up in Belarus and were sent by older siblings to the US on boats as teenagers when Jews were getting exterminated. I'm second generation born in the US. They settled in the Bronx, and my father grew up in an apartment building where he became a good friend of Daniel Schorr's and they had a relative of the Marx Brothers. The Brothers would come by to the building every few months and entertain everyone in the building. One of their few relatives that made it alive out of Belarus served in the Air Force with Jimmy Stewart and flew 31 flights as a Navigator. You reminded me of him with your comment of befriending a famous movie star. But you can't be that old! :)


Oh yes he can. He's just immature and juvenile. :)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#488 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:50 pm

payitforward wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
DCZards wrote:The Obama Administration brought this country's economy back from the brink of a recession, dramatically reduced the unemployment rate, and put in place a law that has reduced the percentage of Americans without health insurance to the lowest level ever.

I'd call that "putting America first."

Thus far, Trump has been all bluster and threats. Get back to me when he has actually accomplished something.

the economy has been 100% trump. the dow. the credit markets. the money supply. employment participation. unempoloyment. everything began to turn hard right away from the recession on November 8th because trump campaigned on 15% corporate tax rate which would repatriate trillions of (american business) dollars currently paying as low as 10% in countries like Ireland (Apple). as well as bring back manufacturing. keeping current manufacturing in place. get out of bad paris accord where the US who has 1/100th the carbon foot print of India and china yet have more restrictions. etc. etc.

these are the reasons your 401K was down in october 2017 from its high in 2008 and instead of being down in now 10-15% higher depending on how aggressive your holdings. These are all Trump. The economy has all been trump. No way around that. None.

I'm sorry. I rarely feel moved to write in quite this way, but, stilldropin20, you are an utter idiot.

Trump has had no effect whatever on the economy. If anything his anti-nafta moves have raised prices (e.g. on Canadian lumber -- making houses more expensive to build).

The economy didn't "begin to turn" one bit after his election, & it hasn't since his election. The economy kept going along as it has. Employment continued to raise modestly month by month -- as it had under Obama -- & economic growth hasn't changed either.

Above all, to confuse a rise in the dow with "the economy" is just too dimwitted to let pass. Nor were we "in a recession" when Trump was elected. Nor do you have the slightest notion (b/c no one could) of what the Dow would have done had Clinton been elected. Or Sanders, had he been the candidate.

Your analysis of why the dow was down from its '08 high is also idiotic -- you made it up!

There is no tax policy that would repatriate trillions of dollars. & manufacturing, globally, is losing jobs every single day & won't stop losing jobs. China today, vs. 10 years ago, has 25% fewer people working in manufacturing.

Any thoughts as to why that is? Actually... any thoughts at all?


ahhh yes. the old, "I think differently" so of course i'm an idiot!

Or maybe i just have a completely different life experience?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#489 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:51 pm

montestewart wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Spoiler:
stilldropin20 wrote:the economy has been 100% trump. the dow. the credit markets. the money supply. employment participation. unempoloyment. everything began to turn hard right away from the recession on November 8th because trump campaigned on 15% corporate tax rate which would repatriate trillions of (american business) dollars currently paying as low as 10% in countries like Ireland (Apple). as well as bring back manufacturing. keeping current manufacturing in place. get out of bad paris accord where the US who has 1/100th the carbon foot print of India and china yet have more restrictions. etc. etc.

these are the reasons your 401K was down in october 2017 from its high in 2008 and instead of being down in now 10-15% higher depending on how aggressive your holdings. These are all Trump. The economy has all been trump. No way around that. None.

I'm sorry. I rarely feel moved to write in quite this way, but, stilldropin20,
you are an utter idiot.

Spoiler:
Trump has had no effect whatever on the economy. If anything his anti-nafta moves have raised prices (e.g. on Canadian lumber -- making houses more expensive to build).

The economy didn't "begin to turn" one bit after his election, & it hasn't since his election. The economy kept going along as it has. Employment continued to raise modestly month by month -- as it had under Obama -- & economic growth hasn't changed either.

Above all, to confuse a rise in the dow with "the economy" is just too dimwitted to let pass. Nor were we "in a recession" when Trump was elected. Nor do you have the slightest notion (b/c no one could) of what the Dow would have done had Clinton been elected. Or Sanders, had he been the candidate.

Your analysis of why the dow was down from its '08 high is also idiotic -- you made it up!

There is no tax policy that would repatriate trillions of dollars. & manufacturing, globally, is losing jobs every single day & won't stop losing jobs. China today, vs. 10 years ago, has 25% fewer people working in manufacturing.

Any thoughts as to why that is? Actually... any thoughts at all?

PIF, I assumed you or Zonker would respond to this. There's an element of baiting happening here, and you're way too smart to fall for it. Try to skip the name calling, because your arguments (which I agree with) do the job just fine.

I'll admit, there is comedy gold in, "When you need a realtor who's also a dentist, call..."


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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#490 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:53 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
montestewart wrote:PIF, I assumed you or Zonker would respond to this. There's an element of baiting happening here, and you're way too smart to fall for it. Try to skip the name calling, because your arguments (which I agree with) do the job just fine.

I'll admit, there is comedy gold in, "When you need a realtor who's also a dentist, call..."

Monte I remember who used to be a dentist, too.

I'm not talking about Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors.



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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#491 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:55 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Bottom line: Dems(libs) need to get off of identity politics as[b] almost their (sole?) platform. and then name calling the opposition. (such as racist, misogynist, elitists, etc.) Its a disgusting brand of politics to be honest. This is where the countries divide was born. Not anything Trump said or did. Indentity politics and name labelling the opposition is where the divide actually occurs.[/b]

There are two problems with this part of your post. The first is to lump all Democrats into the same pot. The second is to say that identity politics is there sole platform. It isn't.

Democrats have stayed together on the federal level as a voting block - but there is quite a bit of angst about where the party is headed - you need only watch the DNC battling to see who would be it head to understand this.

And you can go to their party platform to see what they try to stand for:
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform


I didn't write that stilldrop did. I agree with your post here and completely reject any of stilldrop's baseless accusations.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#492 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:57 pm

I am going to call Trump names. He is a jerk and a turd and ahole. Everyone who voted for him, is implicitly endorsing his behavior. I got shouted down during the election for telling the truth and I'm not going to tolerate it any more. When I see turdlike behavior, I'm calling it out. I'm not apologizing for telling the truth.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#493 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:58 pm

Wizardspride wrote:@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#494 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:00 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
its a good thing if foreign countries buy american weapons.
1. american companies profit which should trickle down to the american worker and the US Government collects a tax on the transaction.
2. Its good that our "allies" are armed and can defend themselves so as to minimize US involvement in foreign conflict when possible but still further the american agenda as much as possible (via allies) by supplying the desired advanced weaponry should give the US some if not a lot of leverage in the region.
3. By supplying the weaponry to allies we remain at a tactical advantage when/if those allies become foes.


Putin:

Trump likes or thinks he can play ball with Putin because Putin is a nationalist. Like trump. The (english)royal family (via BP) and European banking tyrants have controlled most of the middle east's oil since the end of WW1. Just like western Europeans carved up africa to exploit the land and labor. these same banking tyrants have been implementing a central banking system the world over since ww1. Putin wants to control the oil in his region(the middle east). he has the most people in the area and therefore the biggest army and would take it if he could fund himself for the WW3. he cant fund himself however, cuz european bankers control(ed) the central banks. thats why he nationalized the central banks in russia last summer. (look it up). He still needs a stable economy and therefore a money supply to stay in office.

Speaking of the middle east and its oil reserves. If the area is destabilized (due to previous US and U.N. foreighn policy btw) and it takes russian or american forces to re-stabilize why should russia and america not benefit? Why are we protecting BP's oil reserves???? Or any other billionaire's oil reserves? and not be "paid" for the lives and tax dollars it cost to stabilize the area? Thats why trump said why not keep the oil? Putin clearly wants to keep as much of the oil reserves as well. So its common interest that Putin and trump share. British (BP) and European bankers formed most of the companies that own middle eastern oil reserves. Some of the control and profits have been given up to "royal" middle eastern families so as to ease the raping of the middle east's oil for European profits. Obviously "american" (aka international) bankers and american oil companies have also acquired interests in the middle east as well since then. But this all started out in WW1. And the brits dominated the middle east with firm graps and frankly have NOT eased that grip. Putin knows that. Trumps knows that. thats why he hired a career "Oil man" and former head of exxon to be secretary of state. The end game is control as much of the middle eastern oil as possible. If the brits cant do it anymore russia will. there is no reason for the US to continue give up control to either country. The middle east doesn't seem to have the ability to control the region on their own. at least responsibly.

And thats why Trump wanted to reset with Russia and thats why the rest of the world is vehemently against it. because the same international banking cartel that owns the oil fields also own part or most of the world wide media outlets via there investment banking outreach. To control the narrative. trump naively took all this (and much more) on when he simply and naively said, "why not keep the oil?"

When obama took office we were 10 trillion in debt. when he left we were 20 trillion in debt. those are real tax dollars that americans are going to pay. So we are paying for it. Both in dollars and lives. We bombed the crap out of the bank(middle east) with those tax dollars. So why not loot the safe(take the oil)? Why continue to let foreign bankers and BP (as well as some american oil companies) continue to loot the safe? Makes no sense. Obviously a larger mechanism is at play that doesn't appear to benefit the american people. Trump gets that. or the russian people for that matter. Putin gets that.

And frankly better energy exists. why are we even still stuck on oil? We are clearly still stuck on oil cuz banking tyrants still want us to consume their oil.

see these are big ball issue. These are real issues. In fact the only issues. whether or not someone stayed at mara-lago for a weekend for a miserable $1000 aint jack shxt. I dont care if they spent $10,000. trump is already a billionaire many times over. It would take hundred of millions to buy his influence. and its just a ruse to keep americans squabbling over complete and utter bullshxt. let's wake dafuk up!! and look at what is really happening in the world.


Wow I'm going to attempt to parse this world salad.

Saudi Arabia:
1. Look closer at the deal and realize that it a not what it's advertised to be. The majority of the benefits will go to hi tech workers at the defense contractors while the factory and majority of spending defense spending will eventually be in Saudi Arabia.

http://fortune.com/2017/05/24/saudi-us-saudi-arabi-weapons-deal/

2. Saudi Arabia is the causing a humanitarian crises in Yemen right now and they're the biggest state sponsor of terrorism. Them having more power and influence in the middle East is only going to further destabilize the region.

3. Trump has completely backed off his tough talk from the campaign. He talked a lot of crap about radical Islamic terrorism only to act like a bitch when he visited Saudi Arabia. This is just one example of how he can t be trusted and will say anything to make himself look good. Words matter and going back on a campaign promise not even a year into the presidency shows his true character.

4. Trump is a complete hypocrite. He blasted Hillary for Saudi Arabia donating 25 million to the Clinton foundation although she had zero ties it yet Saudi Arabia donates 100 million to Ivanka Trump's cause. The problem is that Ivanka Trump is a Senior Advisor to the White House, this looks like a clear example of buying influence, but I wouldn't care either except for the fact that Trump and his lemmings viciously attacked Clinton when her case was less dubious.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ivanka-trump-world-bank-womens-entrepreneur-fund-saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-100-million-a7748501.html


Putin:
You claim a lot of wild conspiracy theories about a secret group of bankers that run the world. I would actually like to see your sources because what we do know about Putin is that he is a wanna be dictator that has killed journalists, political opponents and most likely rigged elections. The reason that there are so many sanctions on him is precisely for this reason and the fact that he wants to destabilize Europe. Just like he will act in his best interests (like Trump the Nationalism is an act he puts on for gullible lemmings) I don't blame the rest of Europe for acting in their own interests. Putin is playing Trump to lift sanctions and gain access to oil in the attic, but Trump is too much of a moron to realize this. And no you just can't steal a countries oil, that goes against multiple treaties and is illegal. That's just a completely uninformed position.

In general your posts are uninformed, for example, a lot of the debt under Obama were a result of the Bush era policies while Obama actually reduced the deficit. In the majority of the years he was in office he reduced the deficit.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

Finally I can't take you seriously if you're not able to call Trump out for profiting off the Presidency. Not only has revenue from his resort increased by around 8 million, he's also costing you the taxpayer roughly 25 million dollars so far because he would rather golf than work. How is that making America great again?


this is an 8th grade history class level understanding of the world. Which makes it hard to discuss with you. I grew out of this level of understanding when i was 18 and in the US NAvy serving aboard the the USS Parche as an ET/CT tech (now intelligence officer). That was nearly 30 years ago. Sorry, I'm calling rank here. You need to read more. learn more. Try not to look for the gotchya moment when reading and learning. Just absorb. For decades. just absorb.


Lol so much for engaging in meaningful debate. Whil you engage in conspiracy theories and completely make up baseless assumptions I present my argument with supporting evidence. Please feel free to counter my argument while citing actual evidence. Don't just tuck your tail between your legs and run.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#495 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:01 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:I am going to call Trump names. He is a jerk and a turd and ahole. Everyone who voted for him, is implicitly endorsing his behavior. I got shouted down during the election for telling the truth and I'm not going to tolerate it any more. When I see turdlike behavior, I'm calling it out. I'm not apologizing for telling the truth.



actin kinda shady? aint call IN him, baby? :-? :-?
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#496 » by montestewart » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:01 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.


I'm independant. Or should I say a commitment phobe. No single platform can hold me down!

Will multiple platforms hold you down? I have Amazon Prime.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#497 » by Wizardspride » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:02 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.


I'm independant. Or should I say a commitment phobe. No single platform can hold me down!

In other words, you can't give me an answer that actually makes sense.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#498 » by montestewart » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:05 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.


I'm independant. Or should I say a commitment phobe. No single platform can hold me down!

In other words, you can't give me an answer that actually makes sense.

Don't forget, practically anyone can vote. Anyone.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#499 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:10 pm

Pointgod wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Wow I'm going to attempt to parse this world salad.

Saudi Arabia:
1. Look closer at the deal and realize that it a not what it's advertised to be. The majority of the benefits will go to hi tech workers at the defense contractors while the factory and majority of spending defense spending will eventually be in Saudi Arabia.

http://fortune.com/2017/05/24/saudi-us-saudi-arabi-weapons-deal/

2. Saudi Arabia is the causing a humanitarian crises in Yemen right now and they're the biggest state sponsor of terrorism. Them having more power and influence in the middle East is only going to further destabilize the region.

3. Trump has completely backed off his tough talk from the campaign. He talked a lot of crap about radical Islamic terrorism only to act like a bitch when he visited Saudi Arabia. This is just one example of how he can t be trusted and will say anything to make himself look good. Words matter and going back on a campaign promise not even a year into the presidency shows his true character.

4. Trump is a complete hypocrite. He blasted Hillary for Saudi Arabia donating 25 million to the Clinton foundation although she had zero ties it yet Saudi Arabia donates 100 million to Ivanka Trump's cause. The problem is that Ivanka Trump is a Senior Advisor to the White House, this looks like a clear example of buying influence, but I wouldn't care either except for the fact that Trump and his lemmings viciously attacked Clinton when her case was less dubious.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ivanka-trump-world-bank-womens-entrepreneur-fund-saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-100-million-a7748501.html


Putin:
You claim a lot of wild conspiracy theories about a secret group of bankers that run the world. I would actually like to see your sources because what we do know about Putin is that he is a wanna be dictator that has killed journalists, political opponents and most likely rigged elections. The reason that there are so many sanctions on him is precisely for this reason and the fact that he wants to destabilize Europe. Just like he will act in his best interests (like Trump the Nationalism is an act he puts on for gullible lemmings) I don't blame the rest of Europe for acting in their own interests. Putin is playing Trump to lift sanctions and gain access to oil in the attic, but Trump is too much of a moron to realize this. And no you just can't steal a countries oil, that goes against multiple treaties and is illegal. That's just a completely uninformed position.

In general your posts are uninformed, for example, a lot of the debt under Obama were a result of the Bush era policies while Obama actually reduced the deficit. In the majority of the years he was in office he reduced the deficit.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

Finally I can't take you seriously if you're not able to call Trump out for profiting off the Presidency. Not only has revenue from his resort increased by around 8 million, he's also costing you the taxpayer roughly 25 million dollars so far because he would rather golf than work. How is that making America great again?


this is an 8th grade history class level understanding of the world. Which makes it hard to discuss with you. I grew out of this level of understanding when i was 18 and in the US NAvy serving aboard the the USS Parche as an ET/CT tech (now intelligence officer). That was nearly 30 years ago. Sorry, I'm calling rank here. You need to read more. learn more. Try not to look for the gotchya moment when reading and learning. Just absorb. For decades. just absorb.


Lol so much for engaging in meaningful debate. Whil you engage in conspiracy theories and completely make up baseless assumptions I present my argument with supporting evidence. Please feel free to counter my argument while citing actual evidence. Don't just tuck your tail between your legs and run.


bruh, i dig the passion. Truly. Thats a great thing. Keep the passion. keep learning. The fact that you and everyone else in this thread is even thinking about this stuff i find important. Even when we think we are "teaching each other" we are still learning. try to keep an open mind. I will too.

But you want me to talk (assists and points per game) not even eFG% or PER yet. And i'm trying to talk BPM, VORP, TS%. just too much ground between us on those types of fronts.

For example:

Trump is taking on Globalist UN right now. Netanyahu: "this was the boldest and most courageous statement in 30 years of involvement with the UN!!"
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#500 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:12 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.


I'm independant. Or should I say a commitment phobe. No single platform can hold me down!

In other words, you can't give me an answer that actually makes sense.


He votes on emotion and feelings, Clinton to Obama to Sanders to Trump(if you didn't vote Clinton or stayed at home you implicitly indicate you're fine with Trump). There's nothing wrong with voting on emotions but I can't stand hypocrites that act like they're rational and logical while they obviously vote on emotion themselves.

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