WEEK 2: 49ers 0-1 at Seahawks 0-1

[Pattersonca65]

The defense had their breakdowns in the secondary tonight and were helped by some drops but overall much better than last year. The run D is much better and I liked the physicality of the players **** the Tartt hit on Graham that made him cough up the ball. Seattle has had their way with us up there lately but not today. If we could have got a little better play from Hoyer and Goodwin didn't have that key drop later in the game, things may have turned out differently

[Pattersonca65]

That said, lost in all of this may be that the Niners are only trailing by three in Seattle. Seattle's offense is really, really bad. Tough to see them going the distance this year.

If this is the best Seattle's offense has to offer this year, they are in trouble. They are supposed to be a super bowl contender and this doesn't look like that kind of team. And Wilson pulled it out at the end of the game but I don't think he played all that well. There were some drops but he also threw some poor passes that killed drives. I think he might have hut his peak and this is who he is. He will always be a second tier QB that makes plays and wins with a stout defense behind him, but will never be that guy to carry a team. I see some Seahawk fans are till moaning about Cable and Bevel. Cable has garbage to work with and Bevel has an offense that suits to Wilson's strengths

[CalamityX12]

Bowman sounds salty & his comments should've been kept to himself smh... This the same team that been owning us since 2013... Win first then you can make comments like that.


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What he say?

“They know they snuck out of here with one,” Bowman said of the Seahawks, who won 12-9. “We’ll see if we can bounce back Thursday.”

Ah thank you....

While the principle can be agreed to, he should've kept to himself. He, himself IMO, isn't playing to a good level but good per the expectations of someone coming off those injuries he endured...

But whatever, we lost. We gave a much better effort than last week(maybe matchup allowed it) so that was better than most(me too) expected.

[SfBull]

I don't believe in Hoyer as our starting QB.Better to start CJ and assume its a rebuilding year . Let's play the bold move made by the Eagles with Wentz.

[generaldreedle]

Living up here in Seattle has been horrible after every 49er game except this last one. The defense was on the field an ungodly amount of time and with Foster in the lineup and getting one of the four possible interceptions who knows?. As far as the offense goes, Shanahan is still a good coordinator, Hyde looked good, the line improved and most importantly, they didn't get boatraced like I expected. SF is getting better and Seattle looks flawed on offense and defense.


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[ChrisPozz]

I don't believe in Hoyer as our starting QB.Better to start CJ and assume its a rebuilding year . Let's play the bold move made by the Eagles with Wentz.

First of all, do you think Beathard has the same type of abilities and is capable of playing like a Wentz in this league?

[CalamityX12]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/three-things-you-need-know-49ers-12-9-loss-seahawks

[CalamityX12]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-upset-no-flag-hit-hoyer-poor-excuse-referee

idk what to make of it... I most definitely agree with Joe or anyone on that side. I also can see why a defender didn't hear the whistle...

but that was too much of a hit, if that was Brady, Brees, someone relevant, that flag would've been harpooned into Clark.

What if Hoyer had to leave the game from that? that's poor response from the refs the more i think about it.

[SfBull]

I don't believe in Hoyer as our starting QB.Better to start CJ and assume its a rebuilding year . Let's play the bold move made by the Eagles with Wentz.

First of all, do you think Beathard has the same type of abilities and is capable of playing like a Wentz in this league?

No but I liked the boldness of their move.It seems clear that Hoyer doesn't have the skills to be a starter now.He looks scared and without confidence . In Hoyer's defense we could say that he throwed short balls on Shanahan's orders but this decision could mean lack of confidence on Hoyer after the interception.
I liked what I saw of CJ on the Preseason but obviously nobody can say that he's ready to start.
But with 2 games we're watching the same pre Harbaugh film,strong defense running out of gas at the end of the game just because the offense can't create nothing except running plays against overcrowded defenses.So if we are going for another 2-14 season let's play the rookie and see what happens.

[ChrisPozz]

I don't believe in Hoyer as our starting QB.Better to start CJ and assume its a rebuilding year . Let's play the bold move made by the Eagles with Wentz.

First of all, do you think Beathard has the same type of abilities and is capable of playing like a Wentz in this league?

No but I liked the boldness of their move.It seems clear that Hoyer doesn't have the skills to be a starter now.He looks scared and without confidence . In Hoyer's defense we could say that he throwed short balls on Shanahan's orders but this decision could mean lack of confidence on Hoyer after the interception.
I liked what I saw of CJ on the Preseason but obviously nobody can say that he's ready to start.
But with 2 games we're watching the same pre Harbaugh film,strong defense running out of gas at the end of the game just because the offense can't create nothing except running plays against overcrowded defenses.So if we are going for another 2-14 season let's play the rookie and see what happens.

So is it somewhat fair or fair to say that for you it's not as much about protecting Beathard and what, in all likelihood, is right for his development than it is just to see what you have in him as a rookie so your mind is clearer on Beathard going into the offseason then since you're pretty sure personally in what you think you have in Hoyer?

Where we split is I don't sense a concern or nearly as much of a concern about Beathard if you stick him in there this early on in his development with the garbage talent surrounding him as I have for him if he plays this early. I don't subscribe to the idea that he'll definitely be fine developmentally if he plays this soon with this surrounding cast. Maybe others do.

Maybe where I can join those people are the ones that frankly don't care about Beathard's development because they feel X, Y, and Z towards him. A part of me could probably get on board with that because I don't think Beathard has much of a chance for much even if he has the most carefully planned, most well thought out developmental process. The other part of me says if the people who are likely going to be around a while feel that good about him and aren't going to jump ship on him quickly, then you better be extremely careful about doing anything that might affect that development.

Maybe the most serious thing for me also is hurting the development of others around him if you stick him in there as well. That's getting into an area I can't speak nearly as much on because you'd have to be around those guys to really be able to tell how much that'd potentially play into it, but since there are a couple of guys on the roster I do care about (shocking, I know) I'd want to take them into account and decide if he (Beathard) plays, am I also potentially hurting the growth of those others around him as well?
Obviously one can ask are you hurting those others by continuing to play Hoyer? Maybe it'll come to that in a Shanahan led offense with Hoyer as his quarterback, but I'm not there yet with Hoyer personally.

[Pattersonca65]

Funny reading the Seahawk fans crowing about Carson and how they now have a running game because of his running in the 4th quarter against a worn out 49er defense. Prior to that he looked pretty ordinary

[GS Warriors 1]

Seattle has become the most overrated team by NFL media and oddsmakers, I was having a laugh over the summer when some thought of them as a SB contender. I don't think they are a top 3 team in the NFC, but they are still the best in the West division. However, I could very well see them not win a playoff game.

[SfBull]

Seattle has become the most overrated team by NFL media and oddsmakers, I was having a laugh over the summer when some thought of them as a SB contender. I don't think they are a top 3 team in the NFC, but they are still the best in the West division. However, I could very well see them not win a playoff game.

I choose Cardinals as the best team of the West.Seahawks didn't show an effective offense until now.

[SfBull]

First of all, do you think Beathard has the same type of abilities and is capable of playing like a Wentz in this league?

No but I liked the boldness of their move.It seems clear that Hoyer doesn't have the skills to be a starter now.He looks scared and without confidence . In Hoyer's defense we could say that he throwed short balls on Shanahan's orders but this decision could mean lack of confidence on Hoyer after the interception.
I liked what I saw of CJ on the Preseason but obviously nobody can say that he's ready to start.
But with 2 games we're watching the same pre Harbaugh film,strong defense running out of gas at the end of the game just because the offense can't create nothing except running plays against overcrowded defenses.So if we are going for another 2-14 season let's play the rookie and see what happens.

So is it somewhat fair or fair to say that for you it's not as much about protecting Beathard and what, in all likelihood, is right for his development than it is just to see what you have in him as a rookie so your mind is clearer on Beathard going into the offseason then since you're pretty sure personally in what you think you have in Hoyer?

Where we split is I don't sense a concern or nearly as much of a concern about Beathard if you stick him in there this early on in his development with the garbage talent surrounding him as I have for him if he plays this early. I don't subscribe to the idea that he'll definitely be fine developmentally if he plays this soon with this surrounding cast. Maybe others do.

Maybe where I can join those people are the ones that frankly don't care about Beathard's development because they feel X, Y, and Z towards him. A part of me could probably get on board with that because I don't think Beathard has much of a chance for much even if he has the most carefully planned, most well thought out developmental process. The other part of me says if the people who are likely going to be around a while feel that good about him and aren't going to jump ship on him quickly, then you better be extremely careful about doing anything that might affect that development.

Maybe the most serious thing for me also is hurting the development of others around him if you stick him in there as well. That's getting into an area I can't speak nearly as much on because you'd have to be around those guys to really be able to tell how much that'd potentially play into it, but since there are a couple of guys on the roster I do care about (shocking, I know) I'd want to take them into account and decide if he (Beathard) plays, am I also potentially hurting the growth of those others around him as well?
Obviously one can ask are you hurting those others by continuing to play Hoyer? Maybe it'll come to that in a Shanahan led offense with Hoyer as his quarterback, but I'm not there yet with Hoyer personally.

It's the problem for fans of rebuilding teams.We want a fast rebuilding process based on a major change that happened after 2-14 seasons but nobody can predict when the team will be a contender again and many times fans don't have the necessary patience for the growing pains involved.Maybe blaming Hoyer is an overreaction after another defeat against an old rival . But even when the OL gave him more time Hoyer looked insecure about throwing deep passes.But we 're thinking about rebuilding it's normal to expect many losses looking for some improvement like the defense .So it seems that we have a potentially strong defense and it's very good.But our offense is struggling with a great offensive mind making the plays.It's an atrocious offense even for a rebuilding team.I'm in the group lacking patience for another long rebuilding but at the same time it's an illusion to expect that Shanahan's system can work instantly.But it's always difficult for the diehard fan to accept that.

[ChrisPozz]

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[Jikkle]

Beathard was drafted as a project so I would only put him in there if Hoyer gets hurt and possible in the last few games of the season.
All I see putting Beathard would do is him playing like Hoyer but with more INTs.

In fact I don't think Beathard was ever drafted with any intention of him being a franchise kind of guy but someone to be developed as a quality backup to whoever the franchise guy will be. If it becomes a great starting QB it'll more of a happy accident like with Seattle and RW than it would as planned.

[Pattersonca65]

Beathard was drafted as a project so I would only put him in there if Hoyer gets hurt and possible in the last few games of the season.
All I see putting Beathard would do is him playing like Hoyer but with more INTs.

In fact I don't think Beathard was ever drafted with any intention of him being a franchise kind of guy but someone to be developed as a quality backup to whoever the franchise guy will be. If it becomes a great starting QB it'll more of a happy accident like with Seattle and RW than it would as planned.

Beathard was probably drafted because Shanahan really didn't care for any of this draft class top prospects. He might have liked a couple of them but didn't want to use a high 1st on any of them.