All Things Luka Doncic

[BoardCrusher]

The photo looks like Shved is 1 inch taller than Bogdanovic and Doncic is taller than Shved. He definitelly looks 6'8''. I know for a fact that Dragic in shoes is at least 6'4'', maybe even a bit taller...

No, he does not, not at least in that photo. Shved and Doncic look the exact same height in that photo, and Shved is clearly standing further away from the camera. On the other hand, Doncic is leaning a bit. The leaning of Doncic, and Shved being further from the camera, probably evens out.

Shved is listed at 6-6 without shoes on in Russia. So based on that photo, Doncic is about 6-7 in shoes, which is exactly the height the Spanish League, FIBA, and EuroLeague list him at.

I've been saying here Doncic is 6-7 to 6-8 in shoes, but in that photo........no, he looks 6-7 in shoes max.

I agree with most of this, but you have to realize that elite skills are just as rare as athleticism, maybe more so. For example, the reason why Bird, Nash, Curry, Dirk, etc. succeeded in becoming all-time great players despite being similar athletes to Doncic in terms of explosiveness, and the reason why Jokic will probably do the same, is their immense skill level. I think from a talent standpoint, Doncic belongs in that category, and if that is true - you may or may not agree with me -, he could do the same.

That's why I have a hard time with the "he cannot be a franchise player because of this and that" argument. From an overall talent package, Doncic definitely compares to these all-time greats' young selves. So why would we put a "second option, "mere" All-Star" cap on him? And again, Reanimator uses absolutes. He says he cannot be that, because he has a hole in his game at 18, which is ridiculous.

Nash and Curry were/are way better athletes than Doncic. Doncic is far slower than either of them. Not even close.

Actually, Shevd isnt standing so much further in this photo that it would have an effect on how high they appear.

If anything, Doncic appears smaller then he actually is, and thats because of his sprained ankle. Most of his weight is on his right foot, which is bent a bit when standing straight, if you ever played bball and had an injury like this you should know what im talking about.

[SportsGuy8]

For everyone arguing about the photo: it's easy to see that the whole photo is TILTED, look at the floor and background lines. I have no idea how you missed that.

If you take that into account, he looks around 5cm (around 2 inches) taller than Shved. Measure them both in the photo and you'll see.

But maybe it's a bit less because Doncic's shoes seem to have bigger heels. We also don't know for sure what their posture is.

[Mirotic12]

For everyone arguing about the photo: it's easy to see that the whole photo is TILTED, look at the floor and background lines. I have no idea how you missed that.

If you take that into account, he looks around 5cm (around 2 inches) taller than Shved. Measure them both in the photo and you'll see.

But maybe it's a bit less because Doncic's shoes seem to have bigger heels. We also don't know for sure what their posture is.

Shved is listed as 6-4 3/4 barefoot in Russia. So maybe around 6-6 in shoes. Doncic no way looks 2 inches taller than him in that photo. Sorry, but he does not.

[XTraderXL]

For everyone arguing about the photo: it's easy to see that the whole photo is TILTED, look at the floor and background lines. I have no idea how you missed that.

If you take that into account, he looks around 5cm (around 2 inches) taller than Shved. Measure them both in the photo and you'll see.

But maybe it's a bit less because Doncic's shoes seem to have bigger heels. We also don't know for sure what their posture is.

Shved is listed as 6-4 3/4 barefoot in Russia. So maybe around 6-6 in shoes. Doncic no way looks 2 inches taller than him in that photo. Sorry, but he does not.

I guess you havent read the post well. The photo is significantly tilted and even so Doncic looks taller than Shved. He might even be 6-9 or close to 6-10 LOL

[Stackey]

Shved was measured 6'6 1/4" (in shoes) when he was 18 - 19 years old. However, Bogdanovic was also measured 6'6 1/4" at Eurocamp and Shved is clearly taller then him. Probably some late grow.

[SportsGuy8]

For everyone arguing about the photo: it's easy to see that the whole photo is TILTED, look at the floor and background lines. I have no idea how you missed that.

If you take that into account, he looks around 5cm (around 2 inches) taller than Shved. Measure them both in the photo and you'll see.

But maybe it's a bit less because Doncic's shoes seem to have bigger heels. We also don't know for sure what their posture is.

Shved is listed as 6-4 3/4 barefoot in Russia. So maybe around 6-6 in shoes. Doncic no way looks 2 inches taller than him in that photo. Sorry, but he does not.

I guess you havent read the post well. The photo is significantly tilted and even so Doncic looks taller than Shved. He might even be 6-9 or close to 6-10 LOL

I doubt he's over 6'9, maybe slightly under. I spent a few seconds on the photo and I measured Shved at 513 pixels and Doncic as 526 pixels, so roughly 2.5%, equaling about 5cm or 2 inches. (you can even do it in Paint; just draw a line and it tells you in the bottom how many pixels the length of the line is)

However, if Bogdanovic is truly 6'6 1/4" in shoes, then it actually looks like Doncic is very close to 6'9 in shoes, because you get close to 7cm (or 2 3/4") in that photo by using the above-mentioned method.

[jolbin]

Who measured Bogdanovic to be as tall as claimed? He is closer to Goran than to Luka

[Bob8]

I see more interesting than his height, how his body looks on this picture, full of kids fatty. I think Nba coaches can do wonders out of his body. He's way too heavy, for the amount of muscles he has.

[Derento]

Sucks he'll miss the Supercopa

[XTraderXL]

@SportsGuy
I was just kidding about 6-9, wanted to ruffle some feathers with Mirotic)) You know how he gets when it comes to this topic...

On another note, I dont really have big concerns about Doncic and NBA. I was looking for some things in this tournament and I got my answers. He showed he is more than capable of doing pretty much everything offensively, has expanded his arsenal over the summer, showed he can penetrate without a problem and even showed some pull up game. The only thing preventing him to do all this consistently is in his head. When he gets more confident during this season, I think we will be seeing more and more of it. He will also have quite a few games where there will be almost no pressure so he can work on all of it during the games.

He also showed that he can play pretty good one on one defense when it really matters. I have never seen him play better defense than against Spain. He was one of the best defensive players when on the court in that game and that was against NBA talent. When he starts to play more north-south in half court, it will benefit his game immensely.

[UcanUwill]

Who measured Bogdanovic to be as tall as claimed? He is closer to Goran than to Luka

6'5 with 7 foot wingspan, seems pretty accurate. Few people here claimed he is closer to 6'7, but that was always obviously BS.

[SportsGuy8]

@SportsGuy
I was just kidding about 6-9, wanted to ruffle some feathers with Mirotic)) You know how he gets when it comes to this topic...

On another note, I dont really have big concerns about Doncic and NBA. I was looking for some things in this tournament and I got my answers. He showed he is more than capable of doing pretty much everything offensively, has expanded his arsenal over the summer, showed he can penetrate without a problem and even showed some pull up game. The only thing preventing him to do all this consistently is in his head. When he gets more confident during this season, I think we will be seeing more and more of it. He will also have quite a few games where there will be almost no pressure so he can work on all of it during the games.

He also showed that he can play pretty good one on one defense when it really matters. I have never seen him play better defense than against Spain. He was one of the best defensive players when on the court in that game and that was against NBA talent. When he starts to play more north-south in half court, it will benefit his game immensely.

I agree completely. He's yet again shown substantial improvement. Offensive improvement was expected, but he also looked much improved defensively. His lateral quickness isn't nearly as bad as many people are making it out to be and when you combine that with his smarts, I'm actually starting to think he's going to end up being a very good NBA defender. Elite at defensive rebounding, elite at the little things, including directing his teammates what to do (he's already doing it), very good at help defense and at least a decent 1on1 defender. Even if he ends up being slightly below average as a 1on1 defender (personally I doubt it) that's still a very positive defensive player overall.

He simply has an incredible motor, smarts and strength to make up for a lot of his supposed "athletic deficiencies".

Overall I think he can end up being MASSIVELY +EV on the defensive side. That's quite a difference from the current general consensus that he's going to be a defensive liability.

[Rn5ho]

I'll just leave this here for all the sceptics

Watch on YouTube

This is why athleticism is NOT always better than basketball IQ and technique. This is a nice example of just that and there have been a lot of comparisons between Bodiroga and Doncic (but I think they're still pretty different anyway).

[blazeyo]

What I got from this eurobasket is that Bogdan Bogdanovic never smiles. Guy is clinically depressed.

[Stackey]

What I got from this eurobasket is that Bogdan Bogdanovic never smiles. Guy is clinically depressed.

[Marcus]

@SportsGuy
I was just kidding about 6-9, wanted to ruffle some feathers with Mirotic)) You know how he gets when it comes to this topic...

On another note, I dont really have big concerns about Doncic and NBA. I was looking for some things in this tournament and I got my answers. He showed he is more than capable of doing pretty much everything offensively, has expanded his arsenal over the summer, showed he can penetrate without a problem and even showed some pull up game. The only thing preventing him to do all this consistently is in his head. When he gets more confident during this season, I think we will be seeing more and more of it. He will also have quite a few games where there will be almost no pressure so he can work on all of it during the games.

He also showed that he can play pretty good one on one defense when it really matters. I have never seen him play better defense than against Spain. He was one of the best defensive players when on the court in that game and that was against NBA talent. When he starts to play more north-south in half court, it will benefit his game immensely.

I agree completely. He's yet again shown substantial improvement. Offensive improvement was expected, but he also looked much improved defensively. His lateral quickness isn't nearly as bad as many people are making it out to be and when you combine that with his smarts, I'm actually starting to think he's going to end up being a very good NBA defender. Elite at defensive rebounding, elite at the little things, including directing his teammates what to do (he's already doing it), very good at help defense and at least a decent 1on1 defender. Even if he ends up being slightly below average as a 1on1 defender (personally I doubt it) that's still a very positive defensive player overall.

He simply has an incredible motor, smarts and strength to make up for a lot of his supposed "athletic deficiencies".

Overall I think he can end up being MASSIVELY +EV on the defensive side. That's quite a difference from the current general consensus that he's going to be a defensive liability.

hadn't seen many reports, on his defense but intelligence and effort go a long way on that end of the floor and he seems to have a high amount of both. There's maybe a handful of lockdown defenders in the league and some specialist outside of that. Make the right reads, rotate on time, and keep consistent effort and he'd be a good defender in the NBA.

[Derento]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/20757282/should-luka-doncic-early-favorite-no-1-pick-2018-nba-draft

Pelton's projections have Doncic as the models best International prospect in the Database & second overall behind Anthony Davis.

We'll know a lot more about the other candidates for the No. 1 pick once they've set foot on the floor in college, but it's going to be difficult for DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley III and Michael Porter Jr. to match Doncic's statistical projection. Only one player in my college database ever has. Here's how Doncic's 2018 projection compares to the top prospects since 2005:

[Goon]

Since there's so much talk about that EuroBasket top 5, here's a much better photo, it's not tilted and the players are standing decently straight overall. A much better representation of their true height.

[machu46]

I'm still trying to see more of him, but in terms of scoring ability, he reminds me of Khris Middleton a bit. Far better ball-handling and passing, but the way he scores by knowing how to use his body and sort of a slow, methodical approach in the half-court reminds me of Khash.

Doncic is definitely my draft crush this year; he's been a lot of fun to watch so far. Not sure I've ever seen a guy look so refined at such a young age.

[reanimator]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/20757282/should-luka-doncic-early-favorite-no-1-pick-2018-nba-draft

Pelton's projections have Doncic as the models best International prospect in the Database & second overall behind Anthony Davis.

We'll know a lot more about the other candidates for the No. 1 pick once they've set foot on the floor in college, but it's going to be difficult for DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley III and Michael Porter Jr. to match Doncic's statistical projection. Only one player in my college database ever has. Here's how Doncic's 2018 projection compares to the top prospects since 2005:

1. Says Doncic would struggle in the NBA to score efficiently because of his 3 pt % but expects it to rise as he speeds his release and gains better shot selection. I've said this before and agree.

2. Compares him CURRENTLY (as in what he can contribute today) from a statistical profile not stylistic to Jeremy Lamb despite being 7 years younger.

3. Says there isn't a single player in the 2017 or 2018 draft class who could make an impact in FIBA, Euroleague, or ACB play at his age. I disagree. I think there are multiple players who could if given the minutes and similar role.

4. Admits European bigmen find greater success than wings. I've been saying this for months. They think its purely because size is a premium but I say perimeter players struggle with the transition against faster/quicker/longer athletes which is mitigated for bigs.

5. Thinks he should start off as #1. There statistical model places him with stars and undersized bigmen roleplayers. Feel incredibly optimistic about his upside and think he is the greatest Euro prospect ever.