Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[CoolKids]

Do not take on Ryan Anderson under any circumstances.

[Tron Carter]

After all this the Kicks must NOT cave and take on that Ryan Anderson contract. Every other GM will just continue to take advantage of us and be like just wait them out they will eventually cave.. typical knicks.. Morey better and mutliple picks to another team so they can take that contract cause knicks better not..

while I do agree in not "caving" these negotiations are completely different than any other situation. Normally if you have a desirable asset you can negotiate with multiple teams. If Melo is unwilling to go anywhere but HOU it does indeed complicates matters.

Because as fans we can sit by and say "hey just keep him". When in reality the organization is a business and the negative media will effect the team/players if Melo does come back. So there needs to be a middle ground in terms of getting as good as value as possible and getting rid of the headache that will come with keeping Melo on the team from a media/team perspective.

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

[mpharris36]

After all this the Kicks must NOT cave and take on that Ryan Anderson contract. Every other GM will just continue to take advantage of us and be like just wait them out they will eventually cave.. typical knicks.. Morey better and mutliple picks to another team so they can take that contract cause knicks better not..

while I do agree in not "caving" these negotiations are completely different than any other situation. Normally if you have a desirable asset you can negotiate with multiple teams. If Melo is unwilling to go anywhere but HOU it does indeed complicates matters.

Because as fans we can sit by and say "hey just keep him". When in reality the organization is a business and the negative media will effect the team/players if Melo does come back. So there needs to be a middle ground in terms of getting as good as value as possible and getting rid of the headache that will come with keeping Melo on the team from a media/team perspective.

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

[Sark]

timberwolves now the 7th best team in preseason rankings. thank god we didn't hire thibs. somebody find phil and fire him again.

We had the same record as them last year, and he already got Lavine's knee blown out by overplaying his starters.

[Ewings2ndcousin]

The idea of tanking for a CHANCE at a top 5 pick is not a smart move. The idea of getting our core young players experience in the league sounds better and should be used more often than tanking. Keeping Melo can help the young players if Jeff and the brass have a heart to heart conversation with him. "look we tried real hard to give you what you wanted... a trip to Houston but we couldn't pull it off. So now that you are here let's look into what we have and how we are to move forward. The days of iso-Melo need to be over and done with. If you want to increase your trade value and leave NY before next year change your game and help get these young bucks some experience."
Hopefully someone is having this kind of conversation with Melo cause he is NOT leaving NY anytime soon folks!!!

[NYKAL]

The idea of tanking for a CHANCE at a top 5 pick is not a smart move. The idea of getting our core young players experience in the league sounds better and should be used more often than tanking. Keeping Melo can help the young players if Jeff and the brass have a heart to heart conversation with him. "look we tried real hard to give you what you wanted... a trip to Houston but we couldn't pull it off. So now that you are here let's look into what we have and how we are to move forward. The days of iso-Melo need to be over and done with. If you want to increase your trade value and leave NY before next year change your game and help get these young bucks some experience."
Hopefully someone is having this kind of conversation with Melo cause he is NOT leaving NY anytime soon folks!!!

if we hadn't been bad for so long I'd be ok with Tanking but, this team and its players need some success. You just can't keep doing what isn't working. Losing creates a mentality that has to be changed. I'd rather them just miss the playoffs than tank at this point. The team is young enough, let them takes the steps, learn the game and eventually, hopefully, success will follow.

As far a Melo,...if he's here he won't create waves. I truthfully believe a huge part of him does want to be here. He's got no beef with the current GM and Pres.

[Tron Carter]

while I do agree in not "caving" these negotiations are completely different than any other situation. Normally if you have a desirable asset you can negotiate with multiple teams. If Melo is unwilling to go anywhere but HOU it does indeed complicates matters.

Because as fans we can sit by and say "hey just keep him". When in reality the organization is a business and the negative media will effect the team/players if Melo does come back. So there needs to be a middle ground in terms of getting as good as value as possible and getting rid of the headache that will come with keeping Melo on the team from a media/team perspective.

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

it's really a mute point because the negatives of of attaining anderson far outweigh the negatives of staying put with melo for a year. fans seem to have these visions of grandeur that melo is the roadblock from putting this team in the position to attain a top 5 pick, but if the players you mentioned take the next step we all assume they will and we're still a bottom 5 team then maybe they might not be as great as we think they will be.

[shtolky]

The idea of tanking for a CHANCE at a top 5 pick is not a smart move. The idea of getting our core young players experience in the league sounds better and should be used more often than tanking. Keeping Melo can help the young players if Jeff and the brass have a heart to heart conversation with him. "look we tried real hard to give you what you wanted... a trip to Houston but we couldn't pull it off. So now that you are here let's look into what we have and how we are to move forward. The days of iso-Melo need to be over and done with. If you want to increase your trade value and leave NY before next year change your game and help get these young bucks some experience."
Hopefully someone is having this kind of conversation with Melo cause he is NOT leaving NY anytime soon folks!!!

if we hadn't been bad for so long I'd be ok with Tanking but, this team and its players need some success. You just can't keep doing what isn't working. Losing creates a mentality that has to be changed. I'd rather them just miss the playoffs than tank at this point. The team is young enough, let them takes the steps, learn the game and eventually, hopefully, success will follow.

As far a Melo,...if he's here he won't create waves. I truthfully believe a huge part of him does want to be here. He's got no beef with the current GM and Pres.

By this team and its players needing success, I assume you really mean a few guys, like KP, Willy, THJ maybe? Frank is 19 and wet behind the ears, so it'll take him a while, so he can be brought along like any 19 year old. I think KP, Willy and THJ (and maybe Frank) can play well, take steps to improve, while we still lose. Just missing the playoffs over a possible top 5 pick in this draft is lunacy. That's the definition of a treadmill team. This team needs talent talent talent. Do you remember how many wins Curry averaged his first three seasons in GS? 28 wins per season. That lack of success didn't seem to hurt him, because he and the rest of the team grew and got better naturally over time. I would MUCH rather see Melo dealt for cap relief, give the keys to KP, start Frank, and hope THJ improves. "Luckily" for us, even with KP taking a leap, THJ playing well, and Frank having a good rookie season, we are still a bottom 6 team. Add another stud, with KP, Willy, THJ and Frank adding another year of experience, and now we are primed to start doing something.

[battabing10]

while I do agree in not "caving" these negotiations are completely different than any other situation. Normally if you have a desirable asset you can negotiate with multiple teams. If Melo is unwilling to go anywhere but HOU it does indeed complicates matters.

Because as fans we can sit by and say "hey just keep him". When in reality the organization is a business and the negative media will effect the team/players if Melo does come back. So there needs to be a middle ground in terms of getting as good as value as possible and getting rid of the headache that will come with keeping Melo on the team from a media/team perspective.

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

You and others have every reason and right to be pessimistic about Melo's approach to playing this coming season. At the same time, I wonder if pessimists are so because they believe Melo is actually a malicious person. I don't think he is malicious. I do think he is egotistical, vain, greedy, and selfish-- none of which adds up to malice, although the cumulative result of those personality failings may end up the same as malice.

I am taking a more wait-and-see approach with him. I just don't see somebody who is going to *actively* undermine and disrupt the new Knicks agenda. Does that make sense?

[dakomish23]

you're overrating the the impact of the media and i guarantee you all the players in that locker room want melo back. there is no middle ground, either houston gives up adequate value or melo remains a knick. making a trade to avoid the ill effects of "media scrutiny" is the definition of caving, that will be there regardless and isola tweeting out slam pieces aint gonna change ****.

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

You and others have every reason and right to be pessimistic about Melo's approach to playing this coming season. At the same time, I wonder if pessimists are so because they believe Melo is actually a malicious person. I don't think he is malicious. I do think he is egotistical, vain, greedy, and selfish-- none of which adds up to malice, although the cumulative result of those personality failings may end up the same as malice.

I am taking a more wait-and-see approach with him. I just don't see somebody who is going to *actively* undermine and disrupt the new Knicks agenda. Does that make sense?

Don't forget the imaginary undercurrent of resentment from KP towards Melo

[NYKAL]

Melo has never impeded KPs progress. Anyone unstinting he will has issues of their own. This isn't a pro Melo post, just a "I can't stand peeps just making shyt up" post.

[Tron Carter]

Melo has never impeded KPs progress. Anyone unstinting he will has issues of their own. This isn't a pro Melo post, just a "I can't stand peeps just making shyt up" post.

KP’s rookie season he was Dad Melo and everyone was singing his praises.

Then we trade for Rose and KP doesn’t take the step forward we were all anticipating.

Coincidence?


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[Knicksfan1992]

Melo has never impeded KPs progress. Anyone unstinting he will has issues of their own. This isn't a pro Melo post, just a "I can't stand peeps just making shyt up" post.

I don't understand what people really expected from KP last year... He improved in almost every facet (even with Rose running point and Melo apparently being a selfish ballhog) and people are still complaining.

[NYKAL]

Melo has never impeded KPs progress. Anyone unstinting he will has issues of their own. This isn't a pro Melo post, just a "I can't stand peeps just making shyt up" post.

KP’s rookie season he was Dad Melo and everyone was singing his praises.

Then we trade for Rose and KP doesn’t take the step forward we were all anticipating.

Coincidence?


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no, what changed and most effected KP was Rose constantly going mercenary and refusing to pass the ball. When Jennings would come in, KP would get his touches. Wasn't Melo's fault and the fact that you IGNORED all the other factors involved leads me to think that you are blinded as well.

[dakomish23]

Do not take on Ryan Anderson under any circumstances.

Or any bad contract beyond 2019 (unless compensated very well)

End the cycle of emotional organizational decisions and start doing smart transactions like a competent franchise.

[EchelonNYK]

[blueNorange]

so what about the question when we are losing but Melo is getting his shots up but KP/WHG/THjr are getting shots taken away from them. All im saying there are negatives to keeping melo. They might not outweigh (say the anderson contract) in terms of negatives but there are plenty of negatives.

Also in terms of tanking I think we all agree Melo at least makes us somewhat better because he will have those take over games...what if keeping melo costs us a chance at a top 5 pick? Isn't that also a negative?

You and others have every reason and right to be pessimistic about Melo's approach to playing this coming season. At the same time, I wonder if pessimists are so because they believe Melo is actually a malicious person. I don't think he is malicious. I do think he is egotistical, vain, greedy, and selfish-- none of which adds up to malice, although the cumulative result of those personality failings may end up the same as malice.

I am taking a more wait-and-see approach with him. I just don't see somebody who is going to *actively* undermine and disrupt the new Knicks agenda. Does that make sense?

Don't forget the imaginary undercurrent of resentment from KP towards Melo

hahaha you're joking now but wait and see what happens when not only is kristaps getting way more shots, but the final 5 minutes kristaps is the go to man, not melo.

hold off on the because melo has shown he doesn't like sharing the spotlight.

[blueNorange]

Melo has never impeded KPs progress. Anyone unstinting he will has issues of their own. This isn't a pro Melo post, just a "I can't stand peeps just making shyt up" post.

first 2 seasons melo was the #1 option

this upcoming season he's pretty much the #3 behind kristaps and thj

different scenarios, melo wasn't impeding kristaps development because kristaps wasn't impeding melo's shot attempts ... until now.

[blueNorange]

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just as expected, as long as MElo is around the circus will always be in town.

every post game interview will be about melo, and his teammates will have to answer those questions and when melo gets asked the question he'll smile and say something dumb.

[NYKAL]

wow, guys really slobbin Timmie's nob not that he's done anything to prove himself a 2nd option.