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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#21 » by texasholdem » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:56 am

BallerTalk wrote:
NYG wrote:Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson for Carmelo Anthony straight up?


No.
The only Rockets with more job security than Trevor Ariza right now are James Harden and Chris Paul.


I think Capela has more job security since he's young, cheap and the only shot blocker on the team.

I think Morey would trade Ariza to get Melo if it came down to it, especially if it meant no picks would be involved.
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#22 » by BallerTalk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:45 am

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NYG wrote:Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson for Carmelo Anthony straight up?


No.
The only Rockets with more job security than Trevor Ariza right now are James Harden and Chris Paul.


I think Capela has more job security since he's young, cheap and the only shot blocker on the team.

I think Morey would trade Ariza to get Melo if it came down to it, especially if it meant no picks would be involved.


Not likely.

Yes, Capela and Eric Gordon are relatively secure as well. Gordon is crucial to competing in the stacked West and Clint is highly valued because he is young and talented, but he won't be cheap for long. He and EG would only be available in a superstar deal.

Ariza's position with the team is secure for an entirely different reason.
He was pivotal in recruiting and building the team Houston has now. Chris Paul in particular came with the intention of playing with Ariza as well as Harden. As such trading him is not really an option.
Plus he's a respected veteran, great locker room presence and still a valuable two-way player on an extremely friendly deal.

I think a lot of fans misjudge Houston's role in the Carmelo situation. The Rockets are not desperate to acquire him at any cost.
They will only make the deal if it clearly makes them better. Giving up talent and depth defeats the purpose.
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#23 » by Mr. E » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:53 pm

Sark wrote:Knicks aren't trading a pick. That's absurd.

They are in a rebuild. They are looking to acquire young players and picks, not trade them away.


Not a first round pick, but I could see them having to throw in a couple of second round picks.

The only first I see in any deal would be from the Rockets going to whichever third team ends up with Anderson.
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Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#24 » by Mr. E » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:54 pm

NYG wrote:Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson for Carmelo Anthony straight up?


I don't think that will be necessary from Houston's side if the deal actually happens.
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Post#25 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:10 pm

What you think?


Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick+whichever SF

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+2 picks+whichever SF
In: Melo
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#26 » by texasholdem » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:17 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:What you think?


Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick+whichever SF

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+2 picks+whichever SF
In: Melo


won't work cap wise for HOU.
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#27 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:49 am

texasholdem wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:What you think?


Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick+whichever SF

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+2 picks+whichever SF
In: Melo


won't work cap wise for HOU.

O truly~~~ Gordon makes quite a bit less than Anderson. But the Knicks don't want Anderson, no wonder there's this impasse.

And everyone else makes so little.

I guess the last resort would be to throw in a pick to get the Bulls to take Anderson, something like:



Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+Anderson+3 picks
In: Melo

Bulls:

In: Anderson + pick


The Rockets have to really want Melo and do want to get rid of Anderson to save money to do this

Otherwise, maybe sub Ariza for Gordon, or just take out MKG altogether, Melo for Ariza+pick, those would all work.
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#28 » by texasholdem » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:50 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:What you think?


Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick+whichever SF

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+2 picks+whichever SF
In: Melo


won't work cap wise for HOU.

O truly~~~ Gordon makes quite a bit less than Anderson. But the Knicks don't want Anderson, no wonder there's this impasse.

And everyone else makes so little.

I guess the last resort would be to throw in a pick to get the Bulls to take Anderson, something like:



Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+Anderson+3 picks
In: Melo

Bulls:

In: Anderson + pick


The Rockets have to really want Melo and do want to get rid of Anderson to save money to do this

Otherwise, maybe sub Ariza for Gordon, or just take out MKG altogether, Melo for Ariza+pick, those would all work.


Bulls get: Anderson + Rockets 1st + Quarterman + Long
Knicks get: Wade + Onuaku + Zhou
Rockets get: Anthony

Knicks then buy out Wade, which would be a lot cheaper than buying out Melo's 2 seasons and get Onuaku and Zhou

Bulls would be the sticking point. They haven't signed Mirotic yet so Anderson could be of interest but he's 29 and probably past their rebuilding age. They could always flip him later on though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y969mfsm
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#29 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:04 pm

texasholdem wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
won't work cap wise for HOU.

O truly~~~ Gordon makes quite a bit less than Anderson. But the Knicks don't want Anderson, no wonder there's this impasse.

And everyone else makes so little.

I guess the last resort would be to throw in a pick to get the Bulls to take Anderson, something like:



Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+Anderson+3 picks
In: Melo

Bulls:

In: Anderson + pick


The Rockets have to really want Melo and do want to get rid of Anderson to save money to do this

Otherwise, maybe sub Ariza for Gordon, or just take out MKG altogether, Melo for Ariza+pick, those would all work.


Bulls get: Anderson + Rockets 1st + Quarterman + Long
Knicks get: Wade + Onuaku + Zhou
Rockets get: Anthony

Knicks then buy out Wade, which would be a lot cheaper than buying out Melo's 2 seasons and get Onuaku and Zhou

Bulls would be the sticking point. They haven't signed Mirotic yet so Anderson could be of interest but he's 29 and probably past their rebuilding age. They could always flip him later on though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y969mfsm

I doubt the Knicks would do that, having to pay for Wade's buyout and only taking two 2nd rounders, would need a 1st rounder at least.
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#30 » by Mr. E » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:40 pm

Anderson, Gordon & 3 picks? What kind of silliness is that? :lol:

I am hearing a lot of talk that the deal is done, and has been for a while.

I'm starting to think that the current hold up is the Knicks wanting to see if the new Rockets owner is as adamant against trading Zhou Qi as Uncle Les was. I doubt that Fertitta moves him.

I still think that Houston's outgoing package will not exceed Anderson, a young player (Hartenstein or Onuaku), NGC's and a first round pick to a third team.
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Re: Carmelo Trade w/ Portland 

Post#31 » by texasholdem » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:53 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:
texasholdem wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:O truly~~~ Gordon makes quite a bit less than Anderson. But the Knicks don't want Anderson, no wonder there's this impasse.

And everyone else makes so little.

I guess the last resort would be to throw in a pick to get the Bulls to take Anderson, something like:



Knicks:

Out: Melo
In: MKG+pick

Hornets:

Out: MKG
In: Gordon+pick

Rockets:

Out: Gordon+Anderson+3 picks
In: Melo

Bulls:

In: Anderson + pick


The Rockets have to really want Melo and do want to get rid of Anderson to save money to do this

Otherwise, maybe sub Ariza for Gordon, or just take out MKG altogether, Melo for Ariza+pick, those would all work.


Bulls get: Anderson + Rockets 1st + Quarterman + Long
Knicks get: Wade + Onuaku + Zhou
Rockets get: Anthony

Knicks then buy out Wade, which would be a lot cheaper than buying out Melo's 2 seasons and get Onuaku and Zhou

Bulls would be the sticking point. They haven't signed Mirotic yet so Anderson could be of interest but he's 29 and probably past their rebuilding age. They could always flip him later on though.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y969mfsm

I doubt the Knicks would do that, having to pay for Wade's buyout and only taking two 2nd rounders, would need a 1st rounder at least.


If they could buy out Wade for say 16 million that's better than paying Melo 56 million. Zhou on a cheap 4 year deal is also an incentive. Knicks don't have many options since Melo has the no trade clause.
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