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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#621 » by DCZards » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:58 pm

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Kanyewest wrote:
Not being able to get your agenda passed doesn't make you a liar.

Although speaking of the current president, there are other things that make him a liar :D

You can keep your doctor? They all lie man. Modern day americans are too immature to understand that politics require a give and take.

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This is a Fox News talking point coming from someone who claims to have voted for Obama 3x


Ever notice that that's the ONLY so-called lie by Obama that the right-wing ever brings up? Meanwhile, you could publish a book with all the lies that Trump has told as president...and he's only been office 9 months.

btw, fact is most Americans were able to keep their doctor under Obamacare. I know I was.
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Post#622 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:01 pm

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Not being able to get your agenda passed doesn't make you a liar.

Although speaking of the current president, there are other things that make him a liar :D

You can keep your doctor? They all lie man. Modern day americans are too immature to understand that politics require a give and take.

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This is a Fox News talking point coming from someone who claims to have voted for Obama 3x

Why can't you just say it was a bold faced lie? Or naivety on Obama's part at best?

Watch: Trump lied when he said Mexico was gong to pay for it. Bold faced lie. See, it's easy man. Embracing the truth shall set you free and get you off of your own flat out bull crap taking points.

I'm not here to protect Trump. I don't give a rat's ass about Trump. Some (not all) of his agenda is good though or at least decent enough to try. I'd like to see him get a chance to implement it. And see how well it does.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#623 » by dckingsfan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:27 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Nope, I am not missing it at all. He is promoting false promises - then he will come back and say - damn legislature won't pass my agenda. He is flat out lying.

If he is trying to win the war like Trump did - okay - just don't have to respect that.

Not being able to get your agenda passed doesn't make you a liar.

Although speaking of the current president, there are other things that make him a liar :D

Yep, he is a serial pathological liar... he is on a different plane than past presidents... quite amazing really - the depth, breadth and quantity of the lies.
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Post#624 » by Ruzious » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:44 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote: You can keep your doctor? They all lie man. Modern day americans are too immature to understand that politics require a give and take.

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This is a Fox News talking point coming from someone who claims to have voted for Obama 3x

Why can't you just say it was a bold faced lie? Or naivety on Obama's part at best?

Watch: Trump lied when he said Mexico was gong to pay for it. Bold faced lie. See, it's easy man. Embracing the truth shall set you free and get you off of your own flat out bull crap taking points.

I'm not here to protect Trump. I don't give a rat's ass about Trump. Some (not all) of his agenda is good though or at least decent enough to try. I'd like to see him get a chance to implement it. And see how well it does.

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Put it this way - Comparing Trump's truthfullness to Obama's (or either George Bush - "read my lips" and all) is like comparing doing an infected rotting root canal on Barney Frank to a teeth cleaning for the hottest LuvABull (hopefully that's not an oxymoron).
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

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Post#626 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:56 am

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I_Like_Dirt wrote:America does have a spending problem. The real trick, though, is the kind of value for dollar they're actually getting, and on a lot of fronts, it isn't very good. The solution may include reducing, and likely at the very least restructuring entitlements, but there needs to be a bit of a hard look at why the value for dollar isn't there anymore.

Capitalism is great, but at its core, it's basically an economic system powered by greed. That isn't actually as bad as it might seem on the surface, but it requires a check to it, and that check absolutely is a functioning government. I'd suggest that government has ceased to function nearly so well relatively recently thanks to capitalism seeping into the system, which is not desirable in the same way it isn't desirable to have the government seep into business. It's a tricky distinction, too, because the governments job is to regulate capitalism, but not control it or save it or hinder it, while capitalism as a force clearly has an incentive to try to gain access to government. It really isn't hard to see how Trump the businessman is benefiting from being president. How big of an issue that is can be debated, but the reality is clear.

There are a lot of forces at play, though, and I couldn't hope to capture them all. Automation is increasing the disparity between the well-off and those not so, and shifting the numbers away from the well-off. Those well-off, except for a few super wealthy, aren't necessarily doing wonderfully, either, and so bristle at the idea of helping those falling behind. That's going to change, though. Automation is eventually going to hit sectors like law, medicine, pharmacy, engineering, etc., too. Then what?

I'd actually suggest that we need a long, hard rethink of capitalism. That doesn't necessarily mean socialism or communism or that we need to do away with capitalism completely or anything in particular, but we need creative ideas and we need them soon, because the economic structure we currently have in place isn't going to work for another century, and it's going to cause an awful lot of social upheaval on an awful lot of levels as people's base beliefs they keep hidden come out more in order to justify their secret belief that they're really better than most of society, so when things go relatively poorly for them, they should go worse for others. We're seeing it already.


We do need a rethink. I believe it was Pres. Wilson in 1913 that facilitated passage of the 16th and 17th amendments (Federal Reserve too I think.) With passage of these two amendments our a glide path to profligate spending and outside corrupting influence on govt. were baked in to the system. If we want to have any hope of turning things around we should repeal the 17th amendment first and then sometime later figure out a self-limiting way of funding govt. (the role that tariffs played prior to 1913.) I won't hold my breath though. Too many powerful people are raking in the cabbage at the expense of current and future taxpayers. I wish I could be more optimistic.


yes that POS Wilson passed the federal reserve act essentially turning our country over to the Rothschild banking cartel. This was the beginning of the end. And all of our fore father save that original POS Hamilton knew the dangers. 2 of the worst president of all-time just due to their clamoring for the central banks.

Some things should always remain under state control especially the money supply given a sovereign country can provide a stable economy. Once we let europeans control the money supply we were screwed. we sold the country right there.

in terms of rethinking capitalism. I agree. Why are we still on a gold back currency which makes it harder to create a free and flowing money supply as gold has a limited money supply. We weren't suppose to end up (entirely dependent on) money. The original intent of "money" was to create an easy and stable way to exchanged goods or labor. Historically, various regimes/empires, like King George of England and his tally sticks, have used various forms of currency and made that currency abundant. Problems aka recession and depressions seem to only occur when the money supply is silver or gold backed. When the money supply is made abundant like tally sticks were, economies flourish. when the money supply is constricted we end up in recessions and depressions.

Just think for a second: if everyone had enough "money" to exchange goods and services and the value of that money wasn't diminished, the economy would flourish. Good and services would flow freely. it really is that simple. the problem is that their would be no "poor." without the "poor" there would also be no "rich." We cant have that!!!

getting back to the point you made on the federal reserve act. Original board members Morgan and Rockefellor were funded by whom? Rothschild. Why was european born and Rothschild baking agent JP Morgan even allowed to essentially write the charter for the fed reserve. It's disgusting. Woodrew wilson (and congress) sold us out right then and there to the european banking cartel. this was the 3rd and final try. It stuck. It's now "too big to" get out from under. they own our entire economy and have been allowed to implement their central banks the world over. whoever buys your debt or lends you money owns you. Think about it. "what do you need the money for? oh sure! here you go. just do this one thing more me first." there is no reason for the U.S.A. to borrow money from anyone, let alone international bankers who have international interests. This goes against all common sense thinking on foreign policy...especially considering we can print our own money and successfully have done just that in some of the most flourishing era's of our history. eg. greenbacks. Lincoln used the greenback to keep the north funded. The united states simply printed money not backed by gold or silver. just the confidence of the united states government.

As you know Lincoln was assassinated by a rando dude. Not unlike kennedy, assassinated by a rando. Andrew Jackson who battled alexander hamilton's attempts to form a central bank and crushed the first incarnation of the european central bank and delayed future attempts faced attempted assassination also by a rando dude as well.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#627 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:59 am

Kanyewest wrote:Here is Donald Trump's politifact scorecard. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Here is Bernie Sanders. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Here is Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#628 » by gtn130 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:05 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Here is Donald Trump's politifact scorecard. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Here is Bernie Sanders. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Here is Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."


Why don't you do some cursory research instead of making everyone google things for you? In this particular case, all you have to do is click on the 'Pants on Fire' link
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#629 » by montestewart » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:50 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Here is Donald Trump's politifact scorecard. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Here is Bernie Sanders. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Here is Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."

Given the 24-7-365 all-Trump all-the-time media saturation, I'm calling pants on fire on you being at a loss here. But ignore the media, all you need are his speeches and tweets. By the time DCFD get there, those pants is gone! My Trumpies know what I'm talking about, I just gotta buy em a few beers first to soften their resolve.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#630 » by TGW » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:06 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Here is Donald Trump's politifact scorecard. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Here is Bernie Sanders. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Here is Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."


Are you serious? Trump is one of the biggest liars in American political history.

This is the guy who said he would "drain the swamp" [roll:] yet brought in Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin (who's a criminal, btw) to his cabinet.

Same guy who let Goldman Sachs write his tax plan.

The same guy who for the past 5 years clamored that we should exit Afghanistan as soon as possible , and now as president, is sending more troops and more resources.

The same guy who said NAFTA and TPP are a "disaster", yet incorporated items from the TPP into NAFTA.

These are just the policy flip flops. I'm not going to even go into the stupid non-sense regarding crowd sizes, his staff changes, etc.

I mean, who are you defending exactly? Trump is a disaster, and spending time defending the indefensible is silly on your part.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#631 » by Ruzious » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:09 pm

For the click-averse among us, there were 69 pants on fire lies listed. And I don't think they included things like the Frederick Douglass comment that not only shows dishonesty but also shows ignorance of 5th grade level American history.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#632 » by DCZards » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:34 pm

TGW wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Here is Donald Trump's politifact scorecard. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Here is Bernie Sanders. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Here is Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."


Are you serious? Trump is one of the biggest liars in American political history.

This is the guy who said he would "drain the swamp" [roll:] yet brought in Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin (who's a criminal, btw) to his cabinet.

Same guy who let Goldman Sachs write his tax plan.

The same guy who for the past 5 years clamored that we should exit Afghanistan as soon as possible , and now as president, is sending more troops and more resources.

The same guy who said NAFTA and TPP are a "disaster", yet incorporated items from the TPP into NAFTA.

These are just the policy flip flops. I'm not going to even go into the stupid non-sense regarding crowd sizes, his staff changes, etc.

I mean, who are you defending exactly? Trump is a disaster, and spending time defending the indefensible is silly on your part.

...and he's the same guy who assured us that he had evidence that Barack Obama was not born in America.
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Post#633 » by dobrojim » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:44 pm

TGW wrote:This is the guy who said he would "drain the swamp" [roll:] yet brought in Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin (who's a criminal, btw) to his cabinet.




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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#634 » by Ruzious » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:22 pm

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TGW wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."


Are you serious? Trump is one of the biggest liars in American political history.

This is the guy who said he would "drain the swamp" [roll:] yet brought in Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin (who's a criminal, btw) to his cabinet.

Same guy who let Goldman Sachs write his tax plan.

The same guy who for the past 5 years clamored that we should exit Afghanistan as soon as possible , and now as president, is sending more troops and more resources.

The same guy who said NAFTA and TPP are a "disaster", yet incorporated items from the TPP into NAFTA.

These are just the policy flip flops. I'm not going to even go into the stupid non-sense regarding crowd sizes, his staff changes, etc.

I mean, who are you defending exactly? Trump is a disaster, and spending time defending the indefensible is silly on your part.

...and he's the same guy who assured us that he had evidence that Barack Obama was not born in America.

That and the whole Central Park 5 issue... not just being proven wrong on both but the way he's reacted to being proven wrong on both should have been enough for everyone to see he's a piece of garbage as a human being - to be real about it. That's as nice as I can say it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#635 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:30 pm

Just off the top of my head, "My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's," "Obama ordered that Trump tower be wiretapped," "I would have won the popular vote if 3 million people hadn't voted illegally."

All three of those are preposterous lies. You need two more? "My penis is large." "It's totally ok to sexually assault women."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#636 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:16 pm

TGW wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Here is Donald Trump's politifact scorecard. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Here is Bernie Sanders. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Here is Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."


Are you serious? Trump is one of the biggest liars in American political history.

This is the guy who said he would "drain the swamp" [roll:] yet brought in Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin (who's a criminal, btw) to his cabinet.

Same guy who let Goldman Sachs write his tax plan.

The same guy who for the past 5 years clamored that we should exit Afghanistan as soon as possible , and now as president, is sending more troops and more resources.

The same guy who said NAFTA and TPP are a "disaster", yet incorporated items from the TPP into NAFTA.

These are just the policy flip flops. I'm not going to even go into the stupid non-sense regarding crowd sizes, his staff changes, etc.

I mean, who are you defending exactly? Trump is a disaster, and spending time defending the indefensible is silly on your part.


See this post is why I asked a question. You should be embarrassed. any body who agrees with this post as identifiying things trump has lied about should equally be embarrassed. Because none of these are even statements "to be fact checked," let alone considered lies. These are opinion statements. Come on. I gave you one. "Mexico is going to pay for it." And its NOT even a lie yet!!! the damn wall isn't even approved to be built!!!! but when it is approved (and he is likely going to get his wall)it will likely be a lie that mexico is going to pay for it...even if he alters future trade agreements with mexico and gets retroactive funding for the wall later I will still cave and call it a lie. But "drain the swamp!!!""" this is an opinion statement. It's fact check proof. In half of the american people right now think he is doing just that, attempting to drain the swamp: which could mean a variety of things. To me it means doing things differently with a different approach and helping to get people out or out of the way of the new approach and trump is certainly doing things differently.


nafta and tpp arrrrrrrrrrrrre disasters. Look there is something wrong with almost every economic and foreign policy piece of legislation ever written. Someone is always getting the short end of the stick and some wealthy corporation is always getting the sweet deal. Thats' how are system works. It all sucks!!!! You should wrap you mind around that concept.

mnuchin is a criminal!!?? a fully vetted sec of treasury!!??? come on man!!

And that's why I asked. This post is just sillyness. and if this is all you guys got, and this is the type of opinion "facts" that politico is basing their "pants on fire" report then its misleading at best. and straight up divisive and dishonest at worst.
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Post#637 » by montestewart » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:38 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote: You can keep your doctor? They all lie man. Modern day americans are too immature to understand that politics require a give and take.

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This is a Fox News talking point coming from someone who claims to have voted for Obama 3x


Ever notice that that's the ONLY so-called lie by Obama that the right-wing ever brings up? Meanwhile, you could publish a book with all the lies that Trump has told as president...and he's only been office 9 months.

btw, fact is most Americans were able to keep their doctor under Obamacare. I know I was.

I wouldn't say it wasn't a lie, since a number of people in the Obama administration have admitted that Obama probably couldn't have guaranteed that at the time he made that claim. It is kind of a red herring though, as you observe. I don't know anyone personally who has complained about being forced to choose a new doctor; certainly no one in my family or immediate circle was as a result of ACA. My wife was forced off her phased out plan onto a new plan, and still kept her doctor.

People have been forced to switch doctors for years by their own insurance companies, have been forced to switch doctors when they switch insurance plans, have been forced to switch doctors when a doctor retires or moves, or have happily switched doctors on their own. I have seen no effort on the part of conservatives to quantify the extent of the issue, or any detriment that has resulted.

I don't uncritically accept all aspects of ACA; my wife was forced onto an inferior but more expensive plan. I agree though that the answer was to try to address the flaws, not scrap the whole thing.

As you noted, it's seemingly just that one Obama lie, repeated over and over, to create a tit-for-tat ("See, they're exactly the same? What's the difference?") with our current president, who chatters chronically these grandiose fantasies, braggadocious absurdities, and shielded bully debasements. Some people believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, a flat earth, and a good Trump. Time. That's all that will work for some people. Time.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#638 » by cammac » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:44 pm

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TGW wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
give me 5 "pants on fire" trump lies. i'm just wondering what these are and how much the pants are actually "on fire."


Are you serious? Trump is one of the biggest liars in American political history.

This is the guy who said he would "drain the swamp" [roll:] yet brought in Rex Tillerson and Steve Mnuchin (who's a criminal, btw) to his cabinet.

Same guy who let Goldman Sachs write his tax plan.

The same guy who for the past 5 years clamored that we should exit Afghanistan as soon as possible , and now as president, is sending more troops and more resources.

The same guy who said NAFTA and TPP are a "disaster", yet incorporated items from the TPP into NAFTA.

These are just the policy flip flops. I'm not going to even go into the stupid non-sense regarding crowd sizes, his staff changes, etc.

I mean, who are you defending exactly? Trump is a disaster, and spending time defending the indefensible is silly on your part.


See this post is why I asked a question. You should be embarrassed. any body who agrees with this post as identifiying things trump has lied about should equally be embarrassed. Because none of these are even statements "to be fact checked," let alone considered lies. These are opinion statements. Come on. I gave you one. "Mexico is going to pay for it." And its NOT even a lie yet!!! the damn wall isn't even approved to be built!!!! but when it is approved (and he is likely going to get his wall)it will likely be a lie that mexico is going to pay for it...even if he alters future trade agreements with mexico and gets retroactive funding for the wall later I will still cave and call it a lie. But "drain the swamp!!!""" this is an opinion statement. It's fact check proof. In half of the american people right now think he is doing just that, attempting to drain the swamp: which could mean a variety of things. To me it means doing things differently with a different approach and helping to get people out or out of the way of the new approach and trump is certainly doing things differently.


nafta and tpp arrrrrrrrrrrrre disasters. Look there is something wrong with almost every economic and foreign policy piece of legislation ever written. Someone is always getting the short end of the stick and some wealthy corporation is always getting the sweet deal. Thats' how are system works. It all sucks!!!! You should wrap you mind around that concept.

mnuchin is a criminal!!?? a fully vetted sec of treasury!!??? come on man!!

And that's why I asked. This post is just sillyness. and if this is all you guys got, and this is the type of opinion "facts" that politico is basing their "pants on fire" report then its misleading at best. and straight up divisive and dishonest at worst.[/quote

Before being inaugurated president on Friday, Donald Trump promised many things (663, to be exact). Many of those promises are things he said would be done on his first day in office. According to a ThinkProgress analysis of Trump’s public statements, 36 of them, he said, would be done or start on his first day.

Now, 24 hours after Trump took the Oath of Office, he can safely say he kept two of those promises, and broke or ignored 34.

https://thinkprogress.org/on-his-first-day-in-office-trump-broke-34-promises-683c957286dc/

Trump promised to get tough on trade up till now the only country he has imposed trade sanction on is Canada likely one of the most fair trade countries in the world and USA's largest trading partner. Its softwood lumber which the USA has lost at least 2 other times. Note who owns Georgia Pacific the biggest beneficiary of the tariff owned by Koch Brothers those political donations do pay off and who lost the American public with higher prices.
Yes to be precise sanctions have been imposed with Russia but that was done by Congress and Iran done by Trump. Still no China is a currency manipulator.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#639 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:59 pm

I think it was Obama's intent that you be able to keep your insurance. I think the people in charge of the regulations are a bunch of morons that had no idea what they were doing. They didn't realize that there was the possibility that insurance companies would voluntarily cancel insurance policies that were not compliant with future rules. They should have mandated that policies owned before Obamacare passed can only be canceled by the insuree. Or something.

STUPID. Nothing irritates me more than the gatdam consistent INCOMPETENCE from the Dems. Drives me nuts.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#640 » by DCZards » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:14 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:See this post is why I asked a question. You should be embarrassed. any body who agrees with this post as identifiying things trump has lied about should equally be embarrassed. Because none of these are even statements "to be fact checked," let alone considered lies. These are opinion statements. Come on. I gave you one. "Mexico is going to pay for it." And its NOT even a lie yet!!! the damn wall isn't even approved to be built!!!! but when it is approved (and he is likely going to get his wall)it will likely be a lie that mexico is going to pay for it...even if he alters future trade agreements with mexico and gets retroactive funding for the wall later I will still cave and call it a lie. But "drain the swamp!!!""" this is an opinion statement. It's fact check proof. In half of the american people right now think he is doing just that, attempting to drain the swamp: which could mean a variety of things. To me it means doing things differently with a different approach and helping to get people out or out of the way of the new approach and trump is certainly doing things differently.


What the h*ll are you talking about?? Trump said “I’m going to drain the swamp,” which is a statement not an opinion. Saying “I think the swamp needs to be drained” would be an opinion.

I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that you’re a dentist, a licensed real estate and that you hold a doctorate degree, as you claim. Because you say some ignorant stuff.

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