The Legend of Joel Embiid

[76ciology]

Embiid-Sixers situation is very Bynum-Lakers like. Lakers knew Bynum is a damaged good from his HS days. He has good days and bad days. Lakers expedite his growth to fit with their win-now team headed by peak Kobe. Lakers implemented a program/roster that can survive without Bynum during the regular season.

[Baller1234a]

Push comes to shove, I'd sign Biid the max. Built a team or program around him. By team, favor a win-now outlook. By program, favor a deep C position roster which we are now doing IMO.

It's not like it's easy to sign a star player with capspace. Look at Boston, all the picks and assets and they just ended up with Hayward and Irving.

It's way more likely Biid plays like 7-8 great seasons of 50 to 60 games than a high level star decides to sign with us for 7-8 seasons. And it's not like these high level stars are immune to any injuries.

That said, I'd probably be finding a way to generate another star just in case Biid's health deteriorates. Maybe use the Sac or LAL pick.

Its life. It cant be perfect like 2K but we need to adjust to maximize. Maybe accept Pasecniks or Holmes as C for 20-30 games then have Biid at C for 50-60 games every season for the next 7-8 years.

If Biid is stubborn and asks a max or nothing, then find a cheap C every season. If Biid is cooperative and takes a discount, maybe we can sign a constant C with an average contract.

Only Hayward and Kyrie ? That's a lot imo not even taking account Brown Tatum and LAL pick

Yup. But factor in IT, Crowder and the Nets pick to leverage their capspace. Brown is useless while Tatum is a question mark similar with Fultz.

All the cap space and 3 top 3 value picks with no superstar?

Brown is useless?

[76ciology]

Only Hayward and Kyrie ? That's a lot imo not even taking account Brown Tatum and LAL pick

Yup. But factor in IT, Crowder and the Nets pick to leverage their capspace. Brown is useless while Tatum is a question mark similar with Fultz.

All the cap space and 3 top 3 value picks with no superstar?

Brown is useless?

Not really if you put value in charity games and summer league. For instance, I think the league values Robert Covington and Saric more than Brown.

I wont speak with certainty, but he's very very likely to be just a role player.

[Baller1234a]

Yup. But factor in IT, Crowder and the Nets pick to leverage their capspace. Brown is useless while Tatum is a question mark similar with Fultz.

All the cap space and 3 top 3 value picks with no superstar?

Brown is useless?

Not really if you put value in charity games and summer league. For instance, I think the league values Robert Covington and Saric more than Brown.

I wont speak with certainty, but he's very very likely to be just a role player.

I think he will be above avg starter imo with high end potential as an all star

[Ericb5]

Embiid is worth every penny that he could earn on the court. Whatever the max is, he is worth it if he is healthy.


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but thats the problem. Availability is a skill at this point. You cannot pay a guy 20-25 mil a season for maybe 30 games...if that. I love Embiid, I think his talent is all world and all that but it not as easy of a choice as people are making it out to be. Not saying let him walk persay but...i don't think leaving it to chance is too wise either.

The only injury that is a real problem is a stress fracture in his foot. Everything else can be dealt with.

Offer him a huge deal today that is less than the max, and I think he takes it. If he doesn’t, then play out the year, and pay him the max if he is the season that we expect.

He is our best hope. However, if he busts due to health then we still have one of the best young players in the world in Simmons.

So far I’m more pissed at Colangelo, than I am worried about Embiid.



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[Ericb5]

Embiid-Sixers situation is very Bynum-Lakers like. Lakers knew Bynum is a damaged good from his HS days. He has good days and bad days. Lakers expedite his growth to fit with their win-now team headed by peak Kobe. Lakers implemented a program/roster that can survive without Bynum during the regular season.

You are panicking dude.

Bynum had a degenerative knee condition, and was a complete fool. Embiid is twice the talent that Bynum was.



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[76ciology]

Embiid-Sixers situation is very Bynum-Lakers like. Lakers knew Bynum is a damaged good from his HS days. He has good days and bad days. Lakers expedite his growth to fit with their win-now team headed by peak Kobe. Lakers implemented a program/roster that can survive without Bynum during the regular season.

You are panicking dude.

Bynum had a degenerative knee condition, and was a complete fool. Embiid is twice the talent that Bynum was.



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Talent wise, I agree. Durability wise, he very likely to be like Bynum, which is an upgrade than an Oden projection.

Few really good years, than being a mere myth.

Which reminds me of that discussion about Bynum back then where fans were in agreement that it's better to have 1 championship with 9 seasons of losing than 10 mediocre seasons.

[Chris76]

Brown is useless?

Not really if you put value in charity games and summer league. For instance, I think the league values Robert Covington and Saric more than Brown.

I wont speak with certainty, but he's very very likely to be just a role player.

I think he will be above avg starter imo with high end potential as an all star

Jaylen is very athletic and should be a good defender, but he has struggled being a playmaker.

Saric has been very good as a playmaker, his vision and ball movement is very good for a big man.

[PennSports]

Is it the team’s responsibility to hand out info of our player’s health? Dont they have the right to keep it to themselves? It’s not a government.

If hes not playing preseason game 1 they better tell us why. No more vague **** when it comes time to play ball.

[PennSports]

This is my negadelphian talking but yeah...Bryan and Brett dancing around answering questions tells me something is up...that and the But how about Simmons doe stuff.

PicnicBaskets Future gaiz

;_;

Theyre trying to distract us with "look at this new shiny 25"

Im in full panic mode already but i agree with the others about going down with the ship unless its hit foot.

[76ciology]

Is it the team’s responsibility to hand out info of our player’s health? Dont they have the right to keep it to themselves? It’s not a government.

If hes not playing preseason game 1 they better tell us why. No more vague **** when it comes time to play ball.

Here's the thing..

Remember that Rox game when we need to play Biid despite what he's going through because its national televised?

You'll be putting the team into that type of position if you want them to start being committing on Biid's availability. It's damn frustrating but the reality is he has 30% chance of not playing every game (considering a 50-60 game season average)

[Simmons25]

Is it the team’s responsibility to hand out info of our player’s health? Dont they have the right to keep it to themselves? It’s not a government.

If hes not playing preseason game 1 they better tell us why. No more vague **** when it comes time to play ball.

Here's the thing..

Remember that Rox game when we need to play Biid despite what he's going through because its national televised?

You'll be putting the team into that type of position if you want them to start being committing on Biid's availability. It's damn frustrating but the reality is he has 30% chance of not playing every game (considering a 50-60 game season average)

All they have to do is commit on telling the truth. If he had to get a knee drained and its been a set back... tell us that. Don't lie and say there has been no setback.

If he doesn't turn up for game 1 of the pre-season then it means they lied to us AGAIN. Nobody is expecting them to play him injured

[GabeCerebro]

Unless he is willing to give us a discount there is zero reason to extend him right now

Well you'll then risk him hitting RFA and someone else 100% without a doubt offering him the max.

[76ciology]

If hes not playing preseason game 1 they better tell us why. No more vague **** when it comes time to play ball.

Here's the thing..

Remember that Rox game when we need to play Biid despite what he's going through because its national televised?

You'll be putting the team into that type of position if you want them to start being committing on Biid's availability. It's damn frustrating but the reality is he has 30% chance of not playing every game (considering a 50-60 game season average)

All they have to do is commit on telling the truth. If he had to get a knee drained and its been a set back... tell us that. Don't lie and say there has been no setback.

If he doesn't turn up for game 1 of the pre-season then it means they lied to us AGAIN. Nobody is expecting them to play him injured

How about they dont know because you cant perfectly predict these kind of things? If you have some chronic injury (which seems like the same case since its been YEARS and its still the same unpredictable stuff), you just dont know when its going to act up.

Like I said. Every game, Biid's got like 30% chance he can't play. 30% chance is higher odds than getting the no.1 pick with the worst record in the lottery.

How about just being non committal to the point that fanbase just get used to Biid's 70-30 health? That would be ideal. I also like they hired some medical fall guy, so that BB and BC can just focus on what they do rather than play casino with Biid's health. That really takes you out and is very taxing mentally.

Then what.. If they announced that they just cant give out when Embiid is going to play or not since there will always have a cloud of uncertainty. Then it's a losing scenario for everyone. Fanbase would be irrational with their criticisms, hell some may even give up. Biid's people might also get angry that they pretty much ruined their chance to ask for big money. U get what I mean?

[76ciology]

Here's another thing..

Despite the fact that its most likely Biid's going to take 30% off the games every season. He wont take a paycut because they know his career has a big uncertainty that they would want to milk as much cash at fastest time. Like I said, a good comparison IMO to career duration and availability is Bynum.

So yeah. Expect Biid to ask a max, no discounts. Expect Biid to have a career with a lot of uncertainties. Expect us build a program with this reality.

[sixers hoops]

Embiid-Sixers situation is very Bynum-Lakers like. Lakers knew Bynum is a damaged good from his HS days. He has good days and bad days. Lakers expedite his growth to fit with their win-now team headed by peak Kobe. Lakers implemented a program/roster that can survive without Bynum during the regular season.

You are panicking dude.

Bynum had a degenerative knee condition, and was a complete fool. Embiid is twice the talent that Bynum was.



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Talent wise, I agree. Durability wise, he very likely to be like Bynum, which is an upgrade than an Oden projection.

Few really good years, than being a mere myth.

Which reminds me of that discussion about Bynum back then where fans were in agreement that it's better to have 1 championship with 9 seasons of losing than 10 mediocre seasons.

And you are generally unrealistically optimistic when it comes to Bynum and Embiid. You must be really down.

[76ciology]

You are panicking dude.

Bynum had a degenerative knee condition, and was a complete fool. Embiid is twice the talent that Bynum was.



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Talent wise, I agree. Durability wise, he very likely to be like Bynum, which is an upgrade than an Oden projection.

Few really good years, than being a mere myth.

Which reminds me of that discussion about Bynum back then where fans were in agreement that it's better to have 1 championship with 9 seasons of losing than 10 mediocre seasons.

And you are generally unrealistically optimistic when it comes to Bynum and Embiid. You must be really down.

Im very pro sixer player but its hard not to be down on Embiid and rely too much on him when he has questionable health after 2 or 3 seasons or very very limited stress on his body with a lot of world class health treatment.

Make him our alpha and this team wont have the courage to face every game when they are distracted with his uncertainty. At best, put him on restriction for his career and for the team's chemistry. Also imagine a life without him so we can face brutal facts.

For me, this team is better off being lead by Ben Simmons and Fultz. Embiid and the lal/sac pick are just a bonus.

5 years of Embiid should be much better than 10 years of Wiggins, mediocrity of Jabari and replaceability/averageness of Smart or Aaron Gordon. I'm not high on Jokic anyway so that wont hurt.

I'm gonna enjoy the ride with a 70-30 embiid, fultz and simmons than get stressed with things i cant control like Biids health and our teams FO reluctance to take risks in their commitments of announcing his availability. Sooner or later ya'll will be on the same position after you get tired with all the suspense

[spikeslovechild]

Unless he is willing to give us a discount there is zero reason to extend him right now

Well you'll then risk him hitting RFA and someone else 100% without a doubt offering him the max.

First of all, him hitting RFA means nothing and is of no risk. We still hold all the cards and can choose to either match or let him walk. Two, not offering the max this year and having to match next year makes no tangible difference I've yet to see Embiid camp say well we are willing to accept an offer less then the max so waiting only gives us more leverage and more information about his long term viability.

Three, I think it's doubtful another team offers him a max deal if he reinjures his foot. He may get a max two year deal. No team is going to commit for four years sorry isn't happening and if some team does they are fools. Especially if the sixers refuse having access to his medical information for the last three years.

[Simmons25]

Unless he is willing to give us a discount there is zero reason to extend him right now

Well you'll then risk him hitting RFA and someone else 100% without a doubt offering him the max.

First of all, him hitting RFA means nothing and is of no risk. We still hold all the cards and can choose to either match or let him walk. Two, not offering the max this year and having to match next year makes no tangible difference I've yet to see Embiid camp say well we are willing to accept an offer less then the max so waiting only gives us more leverage and more information about his long term viability.

Three, I think it's doubtful another team offers him a max deal if he reinjures his foot. He may get a max two year deal. No team is going to commit for four years sorry isn't happening and if some team does they are fools. Especially if the sixers refuse having access to his medical information for the last three years.

Exactly. There is no legitimate reason to be offering Embiid anywhere near the max right NOW. We hold all the cards.

* Embiid signs on at a discount now for $70 mill over 3 years (Which I think he would do otherwise he is stupid)
* Embiid doesn't sign and gambles that entire $70 mill just to make $90 mill instead at the end of the year.. and if injured walk away with almost $0 (Which I don't think he will be stupid enough to do)
* Embiid doesn't sign and has a great year and plays most games and I'd be happy to match any deal and pay him the max.

Either way it goes... we are in no position to be offering him anything but a heavily discounted deal at this moment.

[76ciology]

Well you'll then risk him hitting RFA and someone else 100% without a doubt offering him the max.

First of all, him hitting RFA means nothing and is of no risk. We still hold all the cards and can choose to either match or let him walk. Two, not offering the max this year and having to match next year makes no tangible difference I've yet to see Embiid camp say well we are willing to accept an offer less then the max so waiting only gives us more leverage and more information about his long term viability.

Three, I think it's doubtful another team offers him a max deal if he reinjures his foot. He may get a max two year deal. No team is going to commit for four years sorry isn't happening and if some team does they are fools. Especially if the sixers refuse having access to his medical information for the last three years.

Exactly. There is no legitimate reason to be offering Embiid anywhere near the max right NOW. We hold all the cards.

* Embiid signs on at a discount now for $70 mill over 3 years (Which I think he would do otherwise he is stupid)
* Embiid doesn't sign and gambles that entire $70 mill just to make $90 mill instead at the end of the year.. and if injured walk away with almost $0 (Which I don't think he will be stupid enough to do)
* Embiid doesn't sign and has a great year and plays most games and I'd be happy to match any deal and pay him the max.

Either way it goes... we are in no position to be offering him anything but a heavily discounted deal at this moment.

Here's the thing. His camp would not cooperate with our precautionary stance if we don't offer him the max. Thats how I see it.

Embiid will ask for the max. His camp would make it know their disappointment if we dont give him an offer while we continue to put him on restriction. Other teams will also offer Embiid the max with the consideration that they are exchanging just mere cap space for him. I'm pretty sure teams would rather have a 50-60 game Embiid than 2 Amir Johnsons.

The way I see it. Accept reality. Give Embiid what he wants. Let him know that big money means big responsibility like being more mature with how he treat his health. While on our end, we just prepare ourselves with a 50-60 games per year Embiid with a constant supply of bigs which is pretty easy to do nowadays.