Welcome Douggie McBuckets!

[thebuzzardman]

that said, i have no faith in mcdermott. at the best, i see him being like novak. shoot a 3 coming off the bench.


hopefully he and kanter are retraded later in the year

McDermott sucks. Kanter is without question the talent in this trade. The problem is that the talent really doesnt fit. And what makes it work against the Knicks is that if Kanter has a great season he's going to opt out and force the Knicks to decide whether they want to spend huge money to bring back a very talented but hugely flawed player.

Pluses to both of these guys: They are at least youthful.

Minuses: Kanter and McDermott aren't really that good and Kanter is pretty badly overpaid, even with the $ that mediocre traditional C's still command in a league that supposedly doesn't care about them anymore.

Notice I didn't say either player is bad. They just aren't good. Melo got moved for a mediocre, overpaid C and a disappointing drafted SF who is basically also a mediocre guy. And a pick that'll be about 35, which is where you generally find...wait for it....mediocre players.

That said, at least the pick may have use in that you never know who might fall and maybe begins a practice of building up an asset base of picks. Have to start somewhere.

Would have been nice to get a #1 or young guy who actually retains potential instead of two guys who've proven they don't have any anymore, but oh well.

[captvict]

Frank/Baker
Thj
McDermott
Kp
Noah

8th playoff spot. Book it

[TankCommander17]

McSuck sucks. He can't guard his shadow. He is a rich man's Novak.

[TankCommander17]

Frank/Baker
Thj
McDermott
Kp
Noah

8th playoff spot. Book it

I didn't mean to give you an and1. I meant to say BAN!

[DOT]

that said, i have no faith in mcdermott. at the best, i see him being like novak. shoot a 3 coming off the bench.


hopefully he and kanter are retraded later in the year

McDermott sucks. Kanter is without question the talent in this trade. The problem is that the talent really doesnt fit. And what makes it work against the Knicks is that if Kanter has a great season he's going to opt out and force the Knicks to decide whether they want to spend huge money to bring back a very talented but hugely flawed player.

Pluses to both of these guys: They are at least youthful.

Minuses: Kanter and McDermott aren't really that good and Kanter is pretty badly overpaid, even with the $ that mediocre traditional C's still command in a league that supposedly doesn't care about them anymore.

Notice I didn't say either player is bad. They just aren't good. Melo got moved for a mediocre, overpaid C and a disappointing drafted SF who is basically also a mediocre guy. And a pick that'll be about 35, which is where you generally find...wait for it....mediocre players.

That said, at least the pick may have use in that you never know who might fall and maybe begins a practice of building up an asset base of picks. Have to start somewhere.

Would have been nice to get a #1 or young guy who actually retains potential instead of two guys who've proven they don't have any anymore, but oh well.

Best part of this trade is that we didn't have to take any long term contracts

Odds are, Kanter opts out after this year, or we can even trade him cause he actually has some value

I coulda lived with Leonard's contract, but I'd rather have Kanter honestly

And we didn't take back negative assets, so that's good too I guess

[thebuzzardman]

McDermott sucks. Kanter is without question the talent in this trade. The problem is that the talent really doesnt fit. And what makes it work against the Knicks is that if Kanter has a great season he's going to opt out and force the Knicks to decide whether they want to spend huge money to bring back a very talented but hugely flawed player.

Pluses to both of these guys: They are at least youthful.

Minuses: Kanter and McDermott aren't really that good and Kanter is pretty badly overpaid, even with the $ that mediocre traditional C's still command in a league that supposedly doesn't care about them anymore.

Notice I didn't say either player is bad. They just aren't good. Melo got moved for a mediocre, overpaid C and a disappointing drafted SF who is basically also a mediocre guy. And a pick that'll be about 35, which is where you generally find...wait for it....mediocre players.

That said, at least the pick may have use in that you never know who might fall and maybe begins a practice of building up an asset base of picks. Have to start somewhere.

Would have been nice to get a #1 or young guy who actually retains potential instead of two guys who've proven they don't have any anymore, but oh well.

Best part of this trade is that we didn't have to take any long term contracts

Odds are, Kanter opts out after this year, or we can even trade him cause he actually has some value

I coulda lived with Leonard's contract, but I'd rather have Kanter honestly

And we didn't take back negative assets, so that's good too I guess

Yeah. Not having Leonard for 3 years is nice too. A lot of people (myself included at times) were willing to take Leonard to get the mighty Mo Harkless. What was I smoking? A nice athletic defensive forward, but not a great player, to have to take back a 11 million per year CRAP backup C, for three years, so the Knicks would have 31 million a year tied up in non effective backup C's? (Noah and Leonard) Glad that didn't happen.

What I'm saying, is the trade, in a vacuum of assets for assets, not that great. Just ok. From a "sets the youth movement, aids the tank" perspective, good.

[br7knicks]

that said, i have no faith in mcdermott. at the best, i see him being like novak. shoot a 3 coming off the bench.


hopefully he and kanter are retraded later in the year

McDermott sucks. Kanter is without question the talent in this trade. The problem is that the talent really doesnt fit. And what makes it work against the Knicks is that if Kanter has a great season he's going to opt out and force the Knicks to decide whether they want to spend huge money to bring back a very talented but hugely flawed player.

Pluses to both of these guys: They are at least youthful.

Minuses: Kanter and McDermott aren't really that good and Kanter is pretty badly overpaid, even with the $ that mediocre traditional C's still command in a league that supposedly doesn't care about them anymore.

Notice I didn't say either player is bad. They just aren't good. Melo got moved for a mediocre, overpaid C and a disappointing drafted SF who is basically also a mediocre guy. And a pick that'll be about 35, which is where you generally find...wait for it....mediocre players.

That said, at least the pick may have use in that you never know who might fall and maybe begins a practice of building up an asset base of picks. Have to start somewhere.

Would have been nice to get a #1 or young guy who actually retains potential instead of two guys who've proven they don't have any anymore, but oh well.

I'll say it. McDermott and kanter are bad. They're not net positive players, and we shouldn't expect them to be.


I'd rather have had their first round pick in 2020+ than McDermott

[DOT]

Pluses to both of these guys: They are at least youthful.

Minuses: Kanter and McDermott aren't really that good and Kanter is pretty badly overpaid, even with the $ that mediocre traditional C's still command in a league that supposedly doesn't care about them anymore.

Notice I didn't say either player is bad. They just aren't good. Melo got moved for a mediocre, overpaid C and a disappointing drafted SF who is basically also a mediocre guy. And a pick that'll be about 35, which is where you generally find...wait for it....mediocre players.

That said, at least the pick may have use in that you never know who might fall and maybe begins a practice of building up an asset base of picks. Have to start somewhere.

Would have been nice to get a #1 or young guy who actually retains potential instead of two guys who've proven they don't have any anymore, but oh well.

Best part of this trade is that we didn't have to take any long term contracts

Odds are, Kanter opts out after this year, or we can even trade him cause he actually has some value

I coulda lived with Leonard's contract, but I'd rather have Kanter honestly

And we didn't take back negative assets, so that's good too I guess

Yeah. Not having Leonard for 3 years is nice too. A lot of people (myself included at times) were willing to take Leonard to get the mighty Mo Harkless. What was I smoking? A nice athletic defensive forward, but not a great player, to have to take back a 11 million per year CRAP backup C, for three years, so the Knicks would have 31 million a year tied up in non effective backup C's? (Noah and Leonard) Glad that didn't happen.

What I'm saying, is the trade, in a vacuum of assets for assets, not that great. Just ok. From a "sets the youth movement, aids the tank" perspective, good.

Portland was willing to give us a 1st, which probably would've been worth Leonard's contract, and Harkless is a decent enough young SF. Just, Melo didn't want to go there

We were never getting anything good, this trade was really just a meh move. We lost, to be clear, but it wasn't a catastrophe

[Deeeez Knicks]

This trade was trash

[N8isScofield]

that said, i have no faith in mcdermott. at the best, i see him being like novak. shoot a 3 coming off the bench.


hopefully he and kanter are retraded later in the year

McDermott sucks. Kanter is without question the talent in this trade. The problem is that the talent really doesnt fit. And what makes it work against the Knicks is that if Kanter has a great season he's going to opt out and force the Knicks to decide whether they want to spend huge money to bring back a very talented but hugely flawed player.

Clearly if he opts out of a 17 million dollar contract we are not bringing him back. We can only hope that's what happens

You say that like we didn't just hand Tim Hardaway Jr. that figure annually. They're similarly talented 1 dimensional players.It's not prudent to ever bet against the Knicks' stupidity.

[nedleeds]

How many NBA teams can field a true White Out?

Baker
Buckets
Kuz
Kp
Billy

?

[br7knicks]

This trade was trash

yeah, but what was the next best option?

keeping him gives the knicks nothing.


getting these 2 players allows any sort of trade piece at least

[Knicksfan1992]

Another guy the Knicks will play at the 3 who should be a 4 because of roster construction. I like Dougie just mad we couldn't squeeze one more piece out of the thunder. Who knows maybe with an expanded role Dougie shows out? At the very least Knicks have a ton of snipers from deep. Question is do we have anyone who commands enough attention to get it out to them for open looks. KP isn't exactly a passer.

[Knicksfan1992]

This trade was trash

yeah, but what was the next best option?

keeping him gives the knicks nothing.


getting these 2 players allows any sort of trade piece at least

It's a real shame, from the Knicks perspective, that Melo wouldn't go to Portland. Seems like based on Wojs reports that's where Perry really wanted to send him. Probably would have gotten Harkless and a 1st out of them. Once Least I knew he only had to beat out Houston and Cleveland he knew he could low ball. I would have just kept Melo personally. I don't think Enes, Dougie or the 2nd round pick help accelerate a rebuild at all. But I get why they felt like they had to move him.

[Deeeez Knicks]

This trade was trash

yeah, but what was the next best option?

keeping him gives the knicks nothing.


getting these 2 players allows any sort of trade piece at least

I would held out for a first or tferg...at least wait..
Really no upside to this trade.....worst case melo may walk. Terrible

[thebuzzardman]

This trade was trash

yeah, but what was the next best option?

keeping him gives the knicks nothing.


getting these 2 players allows any sort of trade piece at least

I would held out for a first or tferg...at least wait..
Really no upside to this trade.....worst case melo may walk. Terrible

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

[thebuzzardman]

Another guy the Knicks will play at the 3 who should be a 4 because of roster construction. I like Dougie just mad we couldn't squeeze one more piece out of the thunder. Who knows maybe with an expanded role Dougie shows out? At the very least Knicks have a ton of snipers from deep. Question is do we have anyone who commands enough attention to get it out to them for open looks. KP isn't exactly a passer.

I always thought the lack of dependable (not streaky) outside shooters was a Knick weakness for a long time and definitely ever since Novak left.

Dotson, McDermott, THJr to add to CLee and to an extent KP, goes a way to solving this. I think this leads to more wins than people might think. If Frankie N can prove reliable from outside, Knicks have a lot of options outside shooting wise, and it really changes the game, both in how the defense plays, and offensive momentum.

[Deeeez Knicks]

yeah, but what was the next best option?

keeping him gives the knicks nothing.


getting these 2 players allows any sort of trade piece at least

I would held out for a first or tferg...at least wait..
Really no upside to this trade.....worst case melo may walk. Terrible

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

[thebuzzardman]

I would held out for a first or tferg...at least wait..
Really no upside to this trade.....worst case melo may walk. Terrible

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

My point too. The Knicks didn't even really get cap relief. Only in "hypothetical" scenarios. Oh, for the all the "OKC has worries Melo might opt out", I could counter with "OKC might have worries Kanter might opt IN". Now whether or not Kanter re-ups for a 2nd year is our headache, not OKC's.

There is a reason why Presti is considered a good GM, while Knick's GM's the last 20 years, not so much.

[Deeeez Knicks]

So, as I put together the pieces catching up on reading (was out all day until 8 pm), I got that the Knicks couldn't get a lot for Melo, because not only the NTC, but he also has a player option, so a team (OKC in this case) could fear he'd go one and done. So, I get that limits the value. And then I thought - hey, Melo might have opted in on the Knicks (not definite) but they got Kanter, who only has 1 year left, so they clearly put themselves in a safety zone by not having to worry about 2 year Melo, and vs that scenario, "shed a year".

Then I find out, Kanter has a player option too! And is really not going to opt in for another 17 million? I mean, I get it's not max, but seems like more he might make somewhere else - if anything, seems like a sure thing he'd take for a year.

So, to recap, the Knicks traded Melo partly out of fear he might opt in, for a guy who probably will opt in?

I'm liking the deal a little less again.

But even old melo >>> Kanter though. Bench big vs allstar. We sold him short. Not even the big melo fan but we fd this one up. Oh well.

My point too. The Knicks didn't even really get cap relief. Only in "hypothetical" scenarios. Oh, for the all the "OKC has worries Melo might opt out", I could counter with "OKC might have worries Kanter might opt IN". Now whether or not Kanter re-ups for a 2nd year is our headache, not OKC's.

There is a reason why Presti is considered a good GM, while Knick's GM's the last 20 years, not so much.

Yea. True that. Havent been seeing whats going on either and drunk and confused at this point