Carmelo Anthony Appreciation Thread

[TankCommander17]

I’m so sick of people blaming the knicks for this dudes effort. He became a stiff that wouldn’t move his feet and barely moved his legs. He stopped trying and stopped busting it awhile ago. He power walked around the court asking for the ball.

The knicks had nothing to do with this dude giving up on trying and abandoning any type of team concept. That’s a choice he made. He chose to stay. It didn’t go well so he ditched and went for self.

King, Ewing, and spreewell always played hard. When Ewing began to break down it was tough to watch because he pushed himself to the point of physical failure trying to carry the team. He refused to take a lesser role and never stopped trying to prove he was still capable. That’s what caused issues. We were asking him to dial it back and he wouldn’t give up.

This dude right here gave up trying to push this team a long time ago. In fact he was never built like that. He’s a one on one play ground shooter that wanted to prove he was the best scorer on the floor. Sure there’s been times he’s played hard on both ends. And hustled. But those are expected. If it’s few and far between then criticism is justified.

This dude is an entertainer playing basketball creating a brand for himself for profit. And you know what? That’s all good. Get your money man. Do that. You supposed to. That’s his hustle and only a punk would knock it.

But it’s time for folks to ease back. Don’t hate on the man for getting money. And don’t hate on the knicks for not making him look like something he’s not. Stop trying to push this best player non sense on people who been around long enough to know better. You just showing your maturity, age and experience. Stand down. This dude was about his money. Respect that. But he wasn’t about that New York knicks professional basketball legacy. He was out for his. And that’s fine. Stop telling people who’s about this that they “haters”. I respect a man who’s trying to get his money. I don’t respect no one who’s cheerleading it. Especially if it’s my block. Your block. At some point that man gotta go. You better go with him.


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Ewing always tried hard because he was always in the playoffs. They never built a championship team around him till way too late in his career. But they gave him a half decent team. He never went through a 17 win season. Or 3 year rebuild.

His pgs were never Tony Douglas, has been Mike Bibby, broken down Baron Davis. His 2nd best player wasn't always wearing a suit.

You forgot all these little details. It is easy to try hard when you are always at least in the 2nd round.

[Fat Kat]

[SkeletorMelo]

Melos better at playing basketball than you are at watching basketball, whiny bitch complaining about melo in an appreciation thread...

[duetta]

Hate and anger are far more exhausting than simple acceptance.

If the Knicks had strong management, instead of an old man who best days were long past coupled to an idiot owner, the Carmelo Anthony homecoming story would have likely been very different.

Walsh promised Dolan that he could rebuild the Knicks quickly - and Walsh promised something that he couldn't deliver on. He couldn't lose Eddy Curry's contract (and paid through the nose to get rid of Jared Jeffries), thus making the team truly attractive to free agents. He couldn't attract Lebron and friends, and he couldn't manage the owner's out-of-control expectations (which were continually enabled by his relationship with an ever-incompetent Isiah Thomas).

And so too much responsibility was put on the shoulders of a Carmelo Anthony.

We hear the argument that if Walsh didn't make the Anthony trade, he would have made the Deron Williams trade. Right. See my earlier point.

The moral of this story is to never promise something you can't deliver. For a further illustration of this moral, see the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

[Big FatKAT]

I appreciate how efficient Melo was saving his energy for offense

[Yodi2007]

Never liked Melo coming here in the first place! Glad his trash ass is gone! Now we can properly rebuild the Knicks without that whiny lil bitch! Now its time to get rid of Noah ass, please get this guy to retire early and give him a meaningless FO Job!

[Yodi2007]

I appreciate how efficient Melo was saving his energy for offense

In other words his lack of defense!

[Rock Bottom]

[Thugger HBC]

I’m so sick of people blaming the knicks for this dudes effort. He became a stiff that wouldn’t move his feet and barely moved his legs. He stopped trying and stopped busting it awhile ago. He power walked around the court asking for the ball.

The knicks had nothing to do with this dude giving up on trying and abandoning any type of team concept. That’s a choice he made. He chose to stay. It didn’t go well so he ditched and went for self.

King, Ewing, and spreewell always played hard. When Ewing began to break down it was tough to watch because he pushed himself to the point of physical failure trying to carry the team. He refused to take a lesser role and never stopped trying to prove he was still capable. That’s what caused issues. We were asking him to dial it back and he wouldn’t give up.

This dude right here gave up trying to push this team a long time ago. In fact he was never built like that. He’s a one on one play ground shooter that wanted to prove he was the best scorer on the floor. Sure there’s been times he’s played hard on both ends. And hustled. But those are expected. If it’s few and far between then criticism is justified.

This dude is an entertainer playing basketball creating a brand for himself for profit. And you know what? That’s all good. Get your money man. Do that. You supposed to. That’s his hustle and only a punk would knock it.

But it’s time for folks to ease back. Don’t hate on the man for getting money. And don’t hate on the knicks for not making him look like something he’s not. Stop trying to push this best player non sense on people who been around long enough to know better. You just showing your maturity, age and experience. Stand down. This dude was about his money. Respect that. But he wasn’t about that New York knicks professional basketball legacy. He was out for his. And that’s fine. Stop telling people who’s about this that they “haters”. I respect a man who’s trying to get his money. I don’t respect no one who’s cheerleading it. Especially if it’s my block. Your block. At some point that man gotta go. You better go with him.


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Ewing always tried hard because he was always in the playoffs. They never built a championship team around him till way too late in his career. But they gave him a half decent team. He never went through a 17 win season. Or 3 year rebuild.

His pgs were never Tony Douglas, has been Mike Bibby, broken down Baron Davis. His 2nd best player wasn't always wearing a suit.

You forgot all these little details. It is easy to try hard when you are always at least in the 2nd round.

Ewing made the playoffs in his third season. Started his career winning back to back sub 25 games won.

But Ewing was that good, that's why his teams made the playoffs, Ewing wasn't draped with multiple all-stars, he never had a player as good as him, nobody was even close. Ewing was the primary and secondary reason why the Knicks were as good as the were when he played.

Who was Ewing's second best player? Oakley, Starks, Mase? Limited guys who played hard, but just were not that good.

As far as the pg's Ewing had, the best ones we didn't even keep. We traded Jax and Strick. Derek Harper was old, Charlie Ward was ok at best.

Melo is a tremendous individual talent, but he's no Ewing. He's not a Bernard King either, the 2nd best player Ewing ever had, that he barely got to play with.

[TankCommander17]

I’m so sick of people blaming the knicks for this dudes effort. He became a stiff that wouldn’t move his feet and barely moved his legs. He stopped trying and stopped busting it awhile ago. He power walked around the court asking for the ball.

The knicks had nothing to do with this dude giving up on trying and abandoning any type of team concept. That’s a choice he made. He chose to stay. It didn’t go well so he ditched and went for self.

King, Ewing, and spreewell always played hard. When Ewing began to break down it was tough to watch because he pushed himself to the point of physical failure trying to carry the team. He refused to take a lesser role and never stopped trying to prove he was still capable. That’s what caused issues. We were asking him to dial it back and he wouldn’t give up.

This dude right here gave up trying to push this team a long time ago. In fact he was never built like that. He’s a one on one play ground shooter that wanted to prove he was the best scorer on the floor. Sure there’s been times he’s played hard on both ends. And hustled. But those are expected. If it’s few and far between then criticism is justified.

This dude is an entertainer playing basketball creating a brand for himself for profit. And you know what? That’s all good. Get your money man. Do that. You supposed to. That’s his hustle and only a punk would knock it.

But it’s time for folks to ease back. Don’t hate on the man for getting money. And don’t hate on the knicks for not making him look like something he’s not. Stop trying to push this best player non sense on people who been around long enough to know better. You just showing your maturity, age and experience. Stand down. This dude was about his money. Respect that. But he wasn’t about that New York knicks professional basketball legacy. He was out for his. And that’s fine. Stop telling people who’s about this that they “haters”. I respect a man who’s trying to get his money. I don’t respect no one who’s cheerleading it. Especially if it’s my block. Your block. At some point that man gotta go. You better go with him.


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Ewing always tried hard because he was always in the playoffs. They never built a championship team around him till way too late in his career. But they gave him a half decent team. He never went through a 17 win season. Or 3 year rebuild.

His pgs were never Tony Douglas, has been Mike Bibby, broken down Baron Davis. His 2nd best player wasn't always wearing a suit.

You forgot all these little details. It is easy to try hard when you are always at least in the 2nd round.

Ewing made the playoffs in his third season. Started his career winning back to back sub 25 games won.

But Ewing was that good, that's why his teams made the playoffs, Ewing wasn't draped with multiple all-stars, he never had a player as good as him, nobody was even close. Ewing was the primary and secondary reason why the Knicks were as good as the were when he played.

Who was Ewing's second best player? Oakley, Starks, Mase? Limited guys who played hard, but just were not that good.

As far as the pg's Ewing had, the best ones we didn't even keep. We traded Jax and Strick. Derek Harper was old, Charlie Ward was ok at best.

Melo is a tremendous individual talent, but he's no Ewing. He's not a Bernard King either, the 2nd best player Ewing ever had, that he barely got to play with.

Who said he was Ewing? Ewing was better. Obviously. But it is easier to keep your head up and "try hard" when you are winning.

Or do you forget that he wanted to be traded prior to Pat getting here because he was tired of the lack of talent around him. Or are we just going to sweep that under the rug?

Point is everyone gets frustrated when you want to win and management has not made the right moves to put you in a position to do so.

Is Melo as good as Ewing? HELL NO.

But to say "well one tried hard and the other didn't" is simplifying the topic.

As far as pgs. I would have gladly taken Derek Harper/Charlie Ward/ Chris Childs over the poo poo platter we have had throughout Melo's tenure here.

[thebuzzardman]

Great scorer with flaws who the Knicks never really built properly around to highlight the pros and cover the cons. Closest they came was with the over the hill gang that one year. Too bad all those guys were too old to have more than one or two years with Melo.

[Big FatKAT]

I appreciate how efficient Melo was saving his energy for offense

In other words his lack of defense!

Shhhh we don't need your kind here! This is a appreciation thread

[NoStatsGuy]

I’m so sick of people blaming the knicks for this dudes effort. He became a stiff that wouldn’t move his feet and barely moved his legs. He stopped trying and stopped busting it awhile ago. He power walked around the court asking for the ball.

The knicks had nothing to do with this dude giving up on trying and abandoning any type of team concept. That’s a choice he made. He chose to stay. It didn’t go well so he ditched and went for self.

King, Ewing, and spreewell always played hard. When Ewing began to break down it was tough to watch because he pushed himself to the point of physical failure trying to carry the team. He refused to take a lesser role and never stopped trying to prove he was still capable. That’s what caused issues. We were asking him to dial it back and he wouldn’t give up.

This dude right here gave up trying to push this team a long time ago. In fact he was never built like that. He’s a one on one play ground shooter that wanted to prove he was the best scorer on the floor. Sure there’s been times he’s played hard on both ends. And hustled. But those are expected. If it’s few and far between then criticism is justified.

This dude is an entertainer playing basketball creating a brand for himself for profit. And you know what? That’s all good. Get your money man. Do that. You supposed to. That’s his hustle and only a punk would knock it.

But it’s time for folks to ease back. Don’t hate on the man for getting money. And don’t hate on the knicks for not making him look like something he’s not. Stop trying to push this best player non sense on people who been around long enough to know better. You just showing your maturity, age and experience. Stand down. This dude was about his money. Respect that. But he wasn’t about that New York knicks professional basketball legacy. He was out for his. And that’s fine. Stop telling people who’s about this that they “haters”. I respect a man who’s trying to get his money. I don’t respect no one who’s cheerleading it. Especially if it’s my block. Your block. At some point that man gotta go. You better go with him.


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Ewing always tried hard because he was always in the playoffs. They never built a championship team around him till way too late in his career. But they gave him a half decent team. He never went through a 17 win season. Or 3 year rebuild.

His pgs were never Tony Douglas, has been Mike Bibby, broken down Baron Davis. His 2nd best player wasn't always wearing a suit.

You forgot all these little details. It is easy to try hard when you are always at least in the 2nd round.

Ewing made the playoffs in his third season. Started his career winning back to back sub 25 games won.

But Ewing was that good, that's why his teams made the playoffs, Ewing wasn't draped with multiple all-stars, he never had a player as good as him, nobody was even close. Ewing was the primary and secondary reason why the Knicks were as good as the were when he played.

Who was Ewing's second best player? Oakley, Starks, Mase? Limited guys who played hard, but just were not that good.

As far as the pg's Ewing had, the best ones we didn't even keep. We traded Jax and Strick. Derek Harper was old, Charlie Ward was ok at best.

Melo is a tremendous individual talent, but he's no Ewing. He's not a Bernard King either, the 2nd best player Ewing ever had, that he barely got to play with.

werent starks,Jax, oakley, houston and spreewell all stars? correct me if im wrong i cant remember exactly.
but seems to me, that you are in the "everything was better back in the days"-team. so ewing was better, makes total sense.

dont get me wrong i love ewing. but you portrait it really favourably to ewing in that comparison.

dont act like melo had good teams outside of 12-13, and even that was a longshot and pretty lucky because the team was diggin woody as a coach, chemistry was there. you remember the #Knickstape movement. that was a real team. plus the vets carried petty hard that season. especially leadership wise, we all know melo is not the perfect leader.

[moocow007]

Hate and anger are far more exhausting than simple acceptance.

If the Knicks had strong management, instead of an old man who best days were long past coupled to an idiot owner, the Carmelo Anthony homecoming story would have likely been very different.

Walsh promised Dolan that he could rebuild the Knicks quickly - and Walsh promised something that he couldn't deliver on. He couldn't lose Eddy Curry's contract (and paid through the nose to get rid of Jared Jeffries), thus making the team truly attractive to free agents. He couldn't attract Lebron and friends, and he couldn't manage the owner's out-of-control expectations (which were continually enabled by his relationship with an ever-incompetent Isiah Thomas).

And so too much responsibility was put on the shoulders of a Carmelo Anthony.

We hear the argument that if Walsh didn't make the Anthony trade, he would have made the Deron Williams trade. Right. See my earlier point.

The moral of this story is to never promise something you can't deliver. For a further illustration of this moral, see the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Exactly. It's easy to blame Anthony for not being able to pull miracles.

[battabing10]

Some of the hate for Melo is funny. Knicks fans are possibly the dumbest in the league. We even hated on Ewing during the 90s for not giving us a championship when we never put a decent team around him till the twilight of his career.

Same for Melo. Now I am not saying Melo was the best player ever or without faults. He had A LOT of faults. His lack of defense sucked. His issues with some coaches sucked. His lack of ball movement sucked. But 2 of those we knew when we got him.

At the same we never built a team around him to compete. He always needed a decent pg to maximize his talent. So what did we give him? **** Tony freaking Douglas as his starting pg. Or Mike Bibby. The corpse of Baron Davis.

The best we put around him was a 40 year old Kidd, a 37 year old Prigs and a career backup in Felton. That is all he needed. A half decent pg rotation to takes us to our best season in decades. Imagine if we didn't **** up and use our amnesty on Amare instead of Billups. To get always sick in the playoffs Tyson.

Just imagine. His best player (Amare) never played. His 2nd best player (JR) was an idiot who even Lebron couldn't win with until Kyrie and Love stayed healthy. So what are we really hating? Just stop.

but james **** dolan didn't know these things about melo, and both he and melo put $$$ above winning. walsh knew, though, which is why he said at the time "players are good at one price and bad at another." when you pair an overrated player/a player who overestimates his own abilities, with the worst owner in the NBA the results are doomed to failure-- which is EXACTLY what many savvy new york knick fans saw from day 1 of the melo era: that trading away of assets for such a player made it IMPOSSIBLE to build a winner, and by winner i mean a top 6 contender.

you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but that's EXACTLY what so many obtuse knick fans expected, laying the blame on management for not being able to do the impossible!! in fact, the knicks were in the nascent stages of rebuilding after two years of teardown when dolan yanked the team into win-now mode. yeah like that was really going to work. dolan is so very stupid no wonder the knicks have been a laughingstock.

you can add in melo's inability to exhibit proper leadership, his stupid ill-timed pronouncements about other player's contracts and his stated desire to test free agency a week before training camp. and you can add to his horrible defense the fact that, as walt frazier himself stated, that it trickles down to the rest of the team: if your best player doesn't put forth real effort it will affect the effort of others.

just imagine: when Melo ended up a knick as a free agent, we could have parlayed gallinari, chandler, felton, and mozgov into something much better than what we ended up getting.

[god shammgod]

just imagine: when Melo ended up a knick as a free agent, we could have parlayed gallinari, chandler, felton, and mozgov into something much better than what we ended up getting.

actually no. the knicks didn't have enough cap space to give melo his max. the were gonna have to let chandler walk and trade moz. that was known at the time.

[Thugger HBC]

werent starks,Jax, oakley, houston and spreewell all stars? correct me if im wrong i cant remember exactly.

They made the all star team once while with Ewing. Houston was a very late addition and he didn't make the all-star team til much later, Spree all-star days was primarily with GS. Tyson Chandler was an all-star too DPOY as well, Amare was an all-star as well.

but seems to me, that you are in the "everything was better back in the days"-team. so ewing was better, makes total sense.

dont get me wrong i love ewing. but you portrait it really favourably to ewing in that comparison.

Ewing was undeniably the best player during his tenure with no player ever suiting up as good for any reasonable duration. When got better teammates he himself was old.

dont act like melo had good teams outside of 12-13, and even that was a longshot and pretty lucky because the team was diggin woody as a coach. plus the vets carried petty hard that season.

Never said he did, his teams have been rather subpar, but that's what happens when a roster is gutted.

[TankCommander17]

Some of the hate for Melo is funny. Knicks fans are possibly the dumbest in the league. We even hated on Ewing during the 90s for not giving us a championship when we never put a decent team around him till the twilight of his career.

Same for Melo. Now I am not saying Melo was the best player ever or without faults. He had A LOT of faults. His lack of defense sucked. His issues with some coaches sucked. His lack of ball movement sucked. But 2 of those we knew when we got him.

At the same we never built a team around him to compete. He always needed a decent pg to maximize his talent. So what did we give him? **** Tony freaking Douglas as his starting pg. Or Mike Bibby. The corpse of Baron Davis.

The best we put around him was a 40 year old Kidd, a 37 year old Prigs and a career backup in Felton. That is all he needed. A half decent pg rotation to takes us to our best season in decades. Imagine if we didn't **** up and use our amnesty on Amare instead of Billups. To get always sick in the playoffs Tyson.

Just imagine. His best player (Amare) never played. His 2nd best player (JR) was an idiot who even Lebron couldn't win with until Kyrie and Love stayed healthy. So what are we really hating? Just stop.

but james **** dolan didn't know these things about melo, and both he and melo put $$$ above winning. walsh knew, though, which is why he said at the time "players are good at one price and bad at another." when you pair an overrated player/a player who overestimates his own abilities, with the worst owner in the NBA the results are doomed to failure-- which is EXACTLY what many savvy new york knick fans saw from day 1 of the melo era: that trading away of assets for such a player made it IMPOSSIBLE to build a winner, and by winner i mean a top 6 contender.

you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but that's EXACTLY what so many obtuse knick fans expected, laying the blame on management for not being able to do the impossible!! in fact, the knicks were in the nascent stages of rebuilding after two years of teardown when dolan yanked the team into win-now mode. yeah like that was really going to work. dolan is so very stupid no wonder the knicks have been a laughingstock.

you can add in melo's inability to exhibit proper leadership, his stupid ill-timed pronouncements about other player's contracts and his stated desire to test free agency a week before training camp. and you can add to his horrible defense the fact that, as walt frazier himself stated, that it trickles down to the rest of the team: if your best player doesn't put forth real effort it will affect the effort of others.

just imagine: when Melo ended up a knick as a free agent, we could have parlayed gallinari, chandler, felton, and mozgov into something much better than what we ended up getting.

Mozgov sucked. Felton sucked. Chandler was meh. Gallo was meh.

The assets we lost were the picks. But those were not important till later.

The problem with you "omg we gave up so many assets" is that the only reason the Nuggets accept that poo poo platter offer from us was Melo's demand to come here.

You offer up that package for any other star in A FREE MARKET and we get laughed at and hung up on by another gm.

The problem was never what we gave up for Anthony. It was the mistakes Walsh made prior and the mistakes his successor did after.

Putting all your eggs on the 2010 basket then panicking and overpaying Amare when no one else would was the most impactful mistake and the thing that kept us from being able to compete during the Melo era. Also the pick we had to give up to get rid of Jeffreis. Not bottoming out during the 2008 and 2009 years. Instead trying to compete and ending up with the 8th pick instead of a top 3 pick. These things Melo had nothing to do with. The harm was already done when he got here.

Once the Melo trade was complete, Walsh kept making dumb mistakes. He gave away Corey Brewer for nothing just to appease him/his agent.

Then after Walsh left they compounded the mistake by giving up their amnesty clause on Billups to sign Tyson when we had a glaring hole in pg. So much so that the next season Tony **** Douglas was our starting pg.

Are those all Anthony's fault? Because it seems to me most of those mistakes were made PRIOR to the Melo trade even being a thing.

So yeah you revisionists will ignore all this and think I love Melo. I don't. I just don't blindly hate a player. I actually know what led to the demise of the Melo era. And it had already started way before he got here.

Btw I was all for the Melo trade. Because there were things that could have been done correctly to build appropriately. 1st and foremost the amnesty being used on Amare and keeping Billups. That in itself would have given us sooooooo much leeway.

Billups still had 1 good year left. We could have had the cap space from not signing Tyson and Amare. We could have had a gap year there and started to build correctly. Once Billups expires we could have a boat load of cap space. In 2012 Batum and Dragic were free agents. Those two guys fit around Melo.

There were ways to do it. Our management just messed up and rushed. That is not Melo's fault. Melo's fault is not adjusting to what the coaches wanted him to do. Not the way our team was built.

[battabing10]

just imagine: when Melo ended up a knick as a free agent, we could have parlayed gallinari, chandler, felton, and mozgov into something much better than what we ended up getting.

actually no. the knicks didn't have enough cap space to give melo his max. the were gonna have to let chandler walk and trade moz. that was known at the time.

ok-- letting of chandler would have been fine as we had gallinari for another year. and though trading mozgov would have hurt some, you're still in better shape than what ended up happening. felton was ok playing for d'antoni and had only a year left anyway thanks to walsh's savvy, and gallo would likely have been moved to the bench. still a better situation, no?

[TankCommander17]

werent starks,Jax, oakley, houston and spreewell all stars? correct me if im wrong i cant remember exactly.

They made the all star team once while with Ewing. Houston was a very late addition and he didn't make the all-star team til much later, Spree all-star days was primarily with GS. Tyson Chandler was an all-star too DPOY as well, Amare was an all-star as well.

but seems to me, that you are in the "everything was better back in the days"-team. so ewing was better, makes total sense.

dont get me wrong i love ewing. but you portrait it really favourably to ewing in that comparison.

Ewing was undeniably the best player during his tenure with no player ever suiting up as good for any reasonable duration. When got better teammates he himself was old.

dont act like melo had good teams outside of 12-13, and even that was a longshot and pretty lucky because the team was diggin woody as a coach. plus the vets carried petty hard that season.

Never said he did, his teams have been rather subpar, but that's what happens when a roster is gutted.

Amare was not an all star. Amare broke down after half a season into a 100 million dollar contract. By this train of thought when we got Kidd at 40 I guess that means he was considered an all star teammate for Melo?