Carmelo Anthony Appreciation Thread

[Marty McFly]

nobody joins bad teams and the knicks have mostly been a bad team. if these young players end up showing promise and get to a decent record, people will want to come here. and it's actually easier for a place like new york to attract players than smaller markets. if milwaukee and new york had equal teams and equal cap space, new york would have the advantage and be the preferred destination. places like milwaukee and denver and indy often can't attract players no matter how good they are.

precisely. of course these guys aren't going to want to deal with a **** fanbase, but a **** fanbase is only an issue when you aren't winning, and in pats case, not winning it all.

[Isiahthomass]

Thanks Melo, For one good year!

[battabing10]

he's right. rebuilding is a fancy word for sucking and drafting talent. but if you don't suck enough you probably aren't gonna draft anyone good. so no, the .500 knicks with amare and gallo weren't rebuilding. that was the team.

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

without good picks in the draft it is invalid. and a .500 team isn't likely to get any good picks. why does everyone here want to tank so badly ? because that's the only way to rebuild.

something tells me your "hating" everyone is intimately linked to james dolan being the owner. i say that because you can lay the stoudemire and anthony acquisitions at his feet. dolan wanted a name even when that name was not lebron. so if you want to say by default that we were not rebuilding once he was acquired that's fine. obviously had we gotten lebron he would have made the knicks contenders immediately.

[Sark]

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[battabing10]

he's right. rebuilding is a fancy word for sucking and drafting talent. but if you don't suck enough you probably aren't gonna draft anyone good. so no, the .500 knicks with amare and gallo weren't rebuilding. that was the team.

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

walsh was trying his damnedest to clear space in order to go after lebron. he was just as responsible for that "renovation" as anyone. if he wanted to upgrade the pg postion he should have tanked his ass off considering the pgs(rose, rubio) drafted high during his early tenure.

Not everyone is on board with tanking. I happen to think it is a bad idea karmically. You can laugh at the karma aspect but tanking is a questionable way to create a winner-- it's a weird shortcut for impatient people. Just an opinion.

[Marty McFly]

its both

how many chips do you think those fairweather fans in miami deserved? yet, they landed the best basketball player since michael and another all star, because they knew how to build a team. okc fans shat on durant, and now they have melo and george gassed up enough to join the team just because russ is there.

rest assured, if Kp and Frank show out, this team will have marquee players lining up to join if we have the space. bum ass fan base not withstanding.

was OKC fans booing durant while he was on the court? answer that question and come back to me.
this same dudes that are **** on melo in this very thread, are the same ones that boo'd melo and ewing. or even appluaded them for doing so. NO ONE is going to come here if yall keep doing the same bull sh*t to every good player we get.

all of this plays a part in players coming here. it's not only the **** management we've had for the past decades. that is all im saying

this is exactly what im talking about

''They're annoying me,'' Ewing said, talking calmly but firmly about Knicks fans after the game. ''If they're going to act the way they act, they might as well stay home. If they're going to support us, then support us. If you go other places, when the team is playing bad, the fans still support them. Here, they support you one minute, then if something goes wrong, they jump off the bandwagon. I'm just tired of it. It has been like that for 12 years. I'm fed up with it.''

pat had an issue with fans doing that for the past 12 years, and the summer before he said that quote, they signed allan houston.

[god shammgod]

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

without good picks in the draft it is invalid. and a .500 team isn't likely to get any good picks. why does everyone here want to tank so badly ? because that's the only way to rebuild.

something tells me your "hating" everyone is intimately linked to james dolan being the owner. i say that because you can lay the stoudemire and anthony acquisitions at his feet. dolan wanted a name even when that name was not lebron. so if you want to say by default that we were not rebuilding once he was acquired that's fine. obviously had we gotten lebron he would have made the knicks contenders immediately.

i don't know what you mean by hating everyone.

i just don't think you can rebuild without picks and really good ones at that. once the decision was made to chase big name free agents, the rebuild was over as you say.

[3toheadmelo]

how many chips do you think those fairweather fans in miami deserved? yet, they landed the best basketball player since michael and another all star, because they knew how to build a team. okc fans shat on durant, and now they have melo and george gassed up enough to join the team just because russ is there.

rest assured, if Kp and Frank show out, this team will have marquee players lining up to join if we have the space. bum ass fan base not withstanding.

was OKC fans booing durant while he was on the court? answer that question and come back to me.
this same dudes that are **** on melo in this very thread, are the same ones that boo'd melo and ewing. or even appluaded them for doing so. NO ONE is going to come here if yall keep doing the same bull sh*t to every good player we get.

all of this plays a part in players coming here. it's not only the **** management we've had for the past decades. that is all im saying

this is exactly what im talking about

''They're annoying me,'' Ewing said, talking calmly but firmly about Knicks fans after the game. ''If they're going to act the way they act, they might as well stay home. If they're going to support us, then support us. If you go other places, when the team is playing bad, the fans still support them. Here, they support you one minute, then if something goes wrong, they jump off the bandwagon. I'm just tired of it. It has been like that for 12 years. I'm fed up with it.''

pat had an issue with fans doing that for the past 12 years, and the summer before he said that quote, they signed allan houston.

and then ewing requested a trade a couple years later. we stay running players out of town

[Marty McFly]

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

walsh was trying his damnedest to clear space in order to go after lebron. he was just as responsible for that "renovation" as anyone. if he wanted to upgrade the pg postion he should have tanked his ass off considering the pgs(rose, rubio) drafted high during his early tenure.

Not everyone is on board with tanking. I happen to think it is a bad idea karmically. You can laugh at the karma aspect but tanking is a questionable way to create a winner-- it's a weird shortcut for impatient people. Just an opinion.

some of you guys are being to literal about it. no one is advocating throwing games. no one in their right mind would have an issue if the youngings are out there winning games by figuring it out. that's obviously going to be a difficult task considering their inexperience, which would likely mean this team will lose games as they learn.

also, how is tanking a weird shortcut for impatient people went it takes SEASONS to build a team that way?

we've haven't won a championship in 45 years. the last time we went to a final was 18 years ago. those droughts have been penance for what exactly?

[god shammgod]

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

walsh was trying his damnedest to clear space in order to go after lebron. he was just as responsible for that "renovation" as anyone. if he wanted to upgrade the pg postion he should have tanked his ass off considering the pgs(rose, rubio) drafted high during his early tenure.

Not everyone is on board with tanking. I happen to think it is a bad idea karmically. You can laugh at the karma aspect but tanking is a questionable way to create a winner-- it's a weird shortcut for impatient people. Just an opinion.

i don't like tanking either. not karmically, i just don't like a system that encourages teams to try to lose. it seems the nba is finally going to do something about fixing it. but talent wins in the nba and there are 2 ways to get talent. sign it. draft it. bad teams can't sign players usually. so you're left with one option. and statistically your odds of getting a really good player are better the worse you are. so i can dislike something and still understand it's necessary.

[Thugger HBC]

Ewing was different, he wasn't a really outward guy. Fans at times didn't like that. But fans of any NY team especially will not let bad play go without note. You're gonna hear it, and that's expected.

Melo got a lot of cheers in NY, that's undeniable. He also got boos, and that's expected. he handled both very well imo.

[kane2021]

There’s two things I want to say about Ewing and his relationship with fans.

1. The man wasn’t interested in opening up to fans. He refused to talk to fans prior to games. And after the games just wanted to clean up and leave. He refused to give autographs. Or take pictures. And declined to attend team signing events. He wasn’t approachable off the court at all. He was known as the toughest autograph to obtain. And it’s why his autograph is so valuable in sports memorabilia. Because it’s so rare. When ewing was coming up in Massachusetts, fans threw bananas at him and laced him with racial slurs. John Thompson taught Ewing to tap into that anger and take it out on the court. It made him a fierce competitor. But he just didn’t trust people. And that caused issues. Because fans in nyc wanted to know him and be close to him. He didn’t allow it.

2. Ewing wrote checks with his mouth that he couldn’t cash. It was rare enough for him to address fans so when he did it held extra meaning. So when Ewing said he guarantees we win this,... everyone expected that. Because he was capable of delivering. Unfortunately, he didn’t make good on many of his guarantees. In fact he even struggled to play well to back it up sometimes. This also caused issues. It’s where the choke artist reputation came from.


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[Isiahthomass]

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

walsh was trying his damnedest to clear space in order to go after lebron. he was just as responsible for that "renovation" as anyone. if he wanted to upgrade the pg postion he should have tanked his ass off considering the pgs(rose, rubio) drafted high during his early tenure.

Not everyone is on board with tanking. I happen to think it is a bad idea karmically. You can laugh at the karma aspect but tanking is a questionable way to create a winner-- it's a weird shortcut for impatient people. Just an opinion.

[KnickFan33]

nah they were in the middle of a rebuild despite amare being brought in under the dolan dumkopf mandate to bring in any "name." they had an okay thing going, and felton would have been gone after the following season b/c walsh knew he wanted to upgrade the PG position for d'antoni and that two-year contract for a middling contract like felton was perfect.

sounds like you believe the very concept of "rebuild" is invalid.

walsh was trying his damnedest to clear space in order to go after lebron. he was just as responsible for that "renovation" as anyone. if he wanted to upgrade the pg postion he should have tanked his ass off considering the pgs(rose, rubio) drafted high during his early tenure.

Not everyone is on board with tanking. I happen to think it is a bad idea karmically. You can laugh at the karma aspect but tanking is a questionable way to create a winner-- it's a weird shortcut for impatient people. Just an opinion.

Not necessarily part of the tank brigade, but how is tanking the shortcut? Wouldn't what we've been doing the past few decades of signing and trading for big names be the shortcut? And that hasn't really worked out in any way, shape nor form.

[Knicks_Fan2]

how did we trade him and the threads gets worse. and someone complained about me being off topic. the nerve.

What's there to appreciate?

Shutup.

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[Big FatKAT]

In other words his lack of defense!

Shhhh we don't need your kind here! This is a appreciation thread

My Kind....? Melo wanted his cake and eat it to!His brand forever is trash! He is no Ewing, Camby, Stark, Oakley, or Clyde! He was only concerned about his Money and his Brand! He had a chance 3 years ago to leave NYK but again wanted his money! I wished everyday he would have choosen The Nets!

wasnt serious in the least

[X-Man Cometh]

We gave up too much to get him. But that doesn't make the trade bad. We still got the best player and Denver didn't do better than us.

After we amnestied Billups and signed Tyson, together with Amare's injuries, we didn't have enough room to significantly improve the team. The most success we had was with old players on cheap contracts, but they couldn't hold up for the whole season.

I hoped we could remain competitive while Melo transitioned to his 2015-16 version, but he didn't maintain it.

Sad to see him go, but I recognize that it's the right time.

[Greenie]

The Fanbase most def plays a role in certain FA stars coming to NY teams. Its why you always hear, can they Handle it here stuff etc etc. Its not just the Media that players are leary of, Its the Fans as well. Knick fans are known to be like "this" if the team is not playing well. To act like the fanbase of teams like Philly NY etc dont play a part, you lying to yourself. Is it the ONLY variable? no. But it *IS* a variable.


There is a reason why they say is the player BUILT for NY...and ALOT of that deals with being able to HANDLE the fanbase if things are NOT peaches and cream.

Bingo.

We don't ask if players are built for Houston.