Fantasy Leagues Discussion - Currently Dynasty Future Drafts

[Phystic]

It doesn't look like I can set the rosters until after the draft, so it seems like I'll be keeping a list of available players in a spreadsheet y'all will be able to access. Unfortunately you won't be able to see the pool of available players in Yahoo during the draft.

And as I'm now taking over NTB's team, my 7 keepers will be:

PG - Jeff Teague
SG - Klay Thompson
G - Jordan Clarkson
SF - Paul George
PF - Kenneth Faried
F - Tobias Harris
C - Andre Drummond
U - Montrezl Harrell
U - Mason Plumlee
B - Dante Exum
B - Trevor Booker
B - Tyler Ulis

Can we do the draft VIA the ESPN league and then move to Yahoo after that? That way we can all see the player pool and associate details?

[bwgood77]

Honestly, I don't see there being a tanking problem, but if we really want to safeguard against it, I think bottom half is the most a lottery should apply to and games played should be a factor in deciding who gets the top pick. I think inactivity is a greater problem for a long-term league, we shouldn't be handing high draft picks to players who weren't active.

I agree, but at the same time, with a certain level of inactivity, we should replace teams, and no one will want to take over a team that has an especially crappy roster because they were inactive. We maybe also should set a minimum number of games played (unless massive injuries occur to players you cannot drop) to stay in the league. I think Phystic who had the bottom record has been inactive pretty often. If he is in, fine, but that team needs a good pick. If inactive again, we could replace.

I've been active I just don't post or necessarily check every single day. As for the season last year, ya some stuff came up personally that took my attention and with my team being horrendous it wasn't a priority for me. No worries I will be active and set me lineup. And if I can't I will step away.

Little late to the discussion but I think it's pretty unfair to not be dictating a nonlotto drafting system. That should have been decided when we did the original draft. Those of us that opted to go for youth get pretty screwed with some of the ideas being thrown about

Yeah, a reverse standings snake draft was the plan for this year and the discussion is more for subsequent years where we have some sort of lottery.

But next year there will likely be a lottery of a number of teams and my original idea of equal odds for an undetermined number of teams until you add up digits of Suns wins (likely between 3 and 11) will prevent teams from tanking or just giving up which is basically tanking.

[batsmasher]

Can we do the draft VIA the ESPN league and then move to Yahoo after that? That way we can all see the player pool and associate details?

Kerrsed's solution will work. All available players will be up to date in Yahoo momentarily.

[Kerrsed]

Can we do the draft VIA the ESPN league and then move to Yahoo after that? That way we can all see the player pool and associate details?

Kerrsed's solution will work. All available players will be up to date in Yahoo momentarily.

[batsmasher]

how did I do? does the draft order look right? do the teams look right?

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/52568/draftresults?drafttab=team

[Kerrsed]

how did I do? does the draft order look right? do the teams look right?

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/52568/draftresults?drafttab=team

[wordsenuff]

Everyone is signed in and draft order is set. Does this mean we can start drafting??

[MrMiyagi]

how did I do? does the draft order look right? do the teams look right?

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/52568/draftresults?drafttab=team

Actually, I used my first pick on Dragan Bender, not Kevin Durant. Please fix this.

Looks great. Thanks for doing the transfer Batty.

[batsmasher]

Everyone is signed in and draft order is set. Does this mean we can start drafting??

I'm not sure that many people are keen for a reverse snake. We really have to come to a consensus for a good draft order system.

We're only making 90 picks so it shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks.

[Book1Nation]

Okay so I've always been an ESPN guy and have never used Yahoo for fantasy.

When I go look at my team, none of the players are there. Yet when I go to available players, it does look like all the keepers aren't there. So where are the players? Lol

I guess you can remove them from the available list and not yet assign them to any specific team?

[edurham88]

Okay so I've always been an ESPN guy and have never used Yahoo for fantasy.

When I go look at my team, none of the players are there. Yet when I go to available players, it does look like all the keepers aren't there. So where are the players? Lol

I guess you can remove them from the available list and not yet assign them to any specific team?

Technically we are in the middle of the draft right now, and the players don't show up on our team until the draft is over. So they are assigned to a specific team, but it just doesn't show up on the team pages yet. If you look at the player list you can change the "Status" field to a specific team and see your players there.

[bwgood77]

Everyone is signed in and draft order is set. Does this mean we can start drafting??

I'm not sure that many people are keen for a reverse snake. We really have to come to a consensus for a good draft order system.

We're only making 90 picks so it shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks.

We were more discussing how to handle future drafts and were going to do a reverse snake this year since that is standard for dynasty and it wasn't established last year. The only thing that would be different would be round 5 since there are an odd number of rounds and the top drafting teams get a massive advantage in round 1.

My proposal for next year was what opened discussion about what methods we could use.

I'm sure there are people who drafted win now teams and finished in the top half who would love to do a random order this year but that's not really fair to the teams who went more with the long term approach.

[Stix]

Why dont we just do an auction draft? That pretty much solves everything.

[bwgood77]

Why dont we just do an auction draft? That pretty much solves everything.

I looked into that first (before posting that we will go reverse snake and then have a randomly determined number of lotto teams in future years) to see how the Knicks forum does it. However, the more i thought about it, with 112 players already taken, and the incoming rookie class, I imagine everyone would max bid the top rookies.

Ultimately, with a limited player pool with trying to do it offline in a draft thread, I don't think it would work well, but my first though was also that it might solve all our problems.

Spoiler:

Here is the PM I received from the Knicks commish who runs all their complicated BAT competitions.

Sent: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:39 am

I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for but I'll do the best I can to answer. For our past auction drafts I made everything a blind bid. That would only work in your case if you had someone accepting the bids that was not playing in the game because obviously if everyone submitted their bids to a participant than that person would be at a huge advantage making the blind bids meaningless. The other way that you could do it is just have everyone nominate a player to be put up and have the bids be open for everyone to see. That is usually how auction drafts work on sites like ESPN.

So for example, team A nominates a player and then all teams can submit bids on that player until a bid come in that no one wants to beat. That team would then win that player and then team B gets to nominate someone. You would set a deadline for how long each player was up for auction...usually online sites set it at maybe 1 minute but for something like this you'd probably want to give it longer (time would vary depending on how active all of your participants are). If a bid comes in in the last 15 seconds of an auction (for the 1 minute time of an ESPN type site), then the clock would reset to the minute.

How many "teams" do you have participating in your league?

[edurham88]

Although doesn't an auction also hurt the teams that chose to go young? Instead of getting the advantage of picking early in the draft, everyone would have an equal amount of money and an equal shot at the best players available. Unless we adjusted each team's auction budget based on where they finished in the standings, but that seems complicated.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I went more win now but I get the complaints of the folks who went young so I don't have any issues having a system that benefits them.

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[bwgood77]

Although doesn't an auction also hurt the teams that chose to go young? Instead of getting the advantage of picking early in the draft, everyone would have an equal amount of money and an equal shot at the best players available. Unless we adjusted each team's auction budget based on where they finished in the standings, but that seems complicated.

Yeah, it certainly doesn't give them an advantage but it doesn't put them at a disadvantage either. For example, if a team had the worst record and in the random redraft order got the 15th pick that would probably be viewed as worse than having an equal chance to go after whoever they wanted in an auction.

I just don't think the player pool is deep enough to where people would want to preserve any auction dollars with an auction, and it might be messy to run in a thread.

[MrMiyagi]

I'm still really fine with a reverse order snake draft. We want the league to be geared toward change. Though I'd love to win it again this year, it should be because I drafted well from the worst spot. I mean, if people want to tank and gamble on rookies paying off big-time 3-4 seasons from now, let them. I took older, veteran players for the most part and won it last year. Others did similarly and are in good spots to win it this year.

Like I've said over and over, inactivity is the biggest issue a 16 team Dynasty league has. Any penalties should be revolving around that. If I'm not mistaken there are 738 games that are available to be played (82 games for 9 positions). I think everyone should at least be able to get within 100 games of that, given there are two injury slots. So how about anyone with 101 or more unplayed games gets a 2 spot draft penalty (of course with the 15th pick being the furthest a team could sink to since champ drafts last)? I think it's enough incentive to be active, without utterly crippling a young/bad/injury-riddled team.

[wordsenuff]

I'm fine with the reverse snake order as well. I drafted young last year for the long haul and landed right in the middle of the standings. I'm just ready to get this thing going.

[Book1Nation]

I'm fine with whatever order we decide. I don't even know where the team I took over finished last season lol.

But yeah, ready to start this one too.