Player of the Day: Andre Roberson

[hardenASG13]

ESPN just ranked Roberson the 85th player in the NBA. Enes didn't make the top 100. Just as long as you two know more than every NBA basketball executive, coach, scout and ESPN's experts we can just take your word for it. We could go the other way and stick with reality that you two have no clue about basketball and that is why you can not find anyone else to agree with you that isn't related to, or in love with, Enes.

It doesn't matter who says Roberson is better, even if the stats say so or experts say so.. these guys are too in love with the Kanternator to see reality.
This here [at realgm] is their only outlet to display their love for the man. Lets not be so cold hearted about this, let's entertain their loose grip on reality and let them have their fantasy of Enes Kanter being "good" and Robes being "bad"
There's nothing anyone can say. Not even facts will help this cause. That there my friends, is true love.
These two need to start their own feed and just go back and forth on who loves Kanter the most. Or who hates Robes the most. Whatever one gets them off quickest

Are you talking about me.....i don't love kanter, but certainly like him as luxury offensive player, what he was signed to be.

[Antinomy]

I wasn't gonna continue beating a dead horse but...

It's funny how Kanter's name wasn't brought up at all until the pro-Roberson guys needed a scapegoat. I don't even know why his name came into the discussion. We're talking about Roberson here.

I couldn't care less if either of them were on the team next year. I like Kanter because of his more prevalent skill, consistency & his ability to draw doubles but let's not act either of them are positives. I just think Kanter isn't utilized optimally.

Claiming Roberson is a net positive then citing +/- where he plays 95% of his minutes with Russ is facetious at best.

[bondom34]

Roberson without Russ is a negative 4.1. Kanter withou Russis a negative 7.3.

[bondom34]

Roberson without Russ is a negative 4.1. Kanter withou Russ is a negative 7.3.

Roberson without Kanter or Russ is a negative 4.2. Kanter without Robes or Russ is a negative 8.

[sleestak33]

I wasn't gonna continue beating a dead horse but...

It's funny how Kanter's name wasn't brought up at all until the pro-Roberson guys needed a scapegoat. I don't even know why his name came into the discussion. We're talking about Roberson here.

I couldn't care less if either of them were on the team next year. I like Kanter because of his more prevalent skill, consistency & his ability to draw doubles but let's not act either of them are positives. I just think Kanter isn't utilized optimally.

Claiming Roberson is a net positive then citing +/- where he plays 95% of his minutes with Russ is facetious at best.

It's hard to believe that anybody would even use +/- on a message board because it's obviously a completely meaningless stat. If Roberson were coming off the bench like he should be he would have one of the worst +/- ratings in the league but his is good because he plays with the league MVP and the starters. You can't reason with these fans on here that just don't know basketball and they're the same ones that supported the pathetic Perkins when he was here. I guess it's just blind loyalty and they just can't conceive that the coach and GM could possibly make this kind of a mistake with player personnel for this long because surely they must know what they're doing. I would a thousand times rather have Perry Jones or Jeremy Lamb than Roberson and for the life of me I can't figure out why Presti chose the player who had by far the lowest ceiling in Roberson. Had they kept Lamb and put him in the starting lineup in Roberson's place we would have one heck of a two-way player right now. Instead we're stuck with a guy who goes 3-21 on free throws in the playoffs.

[bondom34]

Who cares about the score?

Why win when you can lose?

[Kizz Fastfists]

It's hard to believe that anybody would even use +/- on a message board because it's obviously a completely meaningless stat. If Roberson were coming off the bench like he should be he would have one of the worst +/- ratings in the league but his is good because he plays with the league MVP and the starters.

Roberson had a positive +/- in '14-'15 when Russ and kd missed most of the season. I guess Lance Thomas, Sebation Telfair, Kendrick Perkins and Perry Jones were carrying Roberson? Damn. If Roberson is THAT bad and those guys are THAT good why aren't they starting on playoff teams?

[hardenASG13]

Blinders off.....who does okc need Roberson against now (who has a wing Paul George can't guard)? Not denying they have some filthy defensive possibilities with him out there, worth exploring, but can't they seemingly outscore almost everyone while playing a lineup with russ/pg/melo/patterson/adams, or Russ,george, grant, melo, adams, or Russ, abrines, george,patterson, adams, all of which would be fine defensively. What teams in particular is he of use against now, that they couldn't simply outscore while being just good on defense instead of very good?

[slick_watts]

Blinders off.....who does okc need Roberson against now (who has a wing Paul George can't guard)? Not denying they have some filthy defensive possibilities with him out there, worth exploring, but can't they seemingly outscore almost everyone while playing a lineup with russ/pg/melo/patterson/adams, or Russ,george, grant, melo, adams, or Russ, abrines, george,patterson, adams, all of which would be fine defensively. What teams in particular is he of use against now, that they couldn't simply outscore while being just good on defense instead of very good?

this is the dumbest thing i've ever read on the internet.

'need'
'outscore'
'good on defense instead of very good'

golden state didn't 'need' kevin durant. should they trade him to us for andre roberson?

the tools are available to have this conversation intelligently and with some measure of actual precision. we don't 'need' anything.

[hardenASG13]

Blinders off.....who does okc need Roberson against now (who has a wing Paul George can't guard)? Not denying they have some filthy defensive possibilities with him out there, worth exploring, but can't they seemingly outscore almost everyone while playing a lineup with russ/pg/melo/patterson/adams, or Russ,george, grant, melo, adams, or Russ, abrines, george,patterson, adams, all of which would be fine defensively. What teams in particular is he of use against now, that they couldn't simply outscore while being just good on defense instead of very good?

this is the dumbest thing i've ever read on the internet.

'need'
'outscore'
'good on defense instead of very good'

golden state didn't 'need' kevin durant. should they trade him to us for andre roberson?

the tools are available to have this conversation intelligently and with some measure of actual precision. we don't 'need' anything.

What?....yes outscore, yes good instead of very good on defense (if you play 2 average defenders (Russ and melo), 2 above average (adams and george), and 1 below average (abrines) the d is still fine. Maybe that doesn't show up on a CARMELO spreadsheet (nobody is impressed), but it's true. Look at golden state! Did klay come in as a shutdown defender? Nope, but that's what the team NEEDED him to be. What are you even talking about here?

Maybe I should say need to use instead of need for you? Roberson is very bad on offense, and if you don't need his defensive boost because teammates are competent on that end this year, what's the point in 'using' him?

[slick_watts]

What?....yes outscore, yes good instead of very good on defense (if you play 2 average defenders (Russ and melo), 2 above average (adams and george), and 1 below average (abrines) the d is still fine.

what is 'fine'? the problem with this kind of discussion with you is that you say things like 'the d is still fine', which is an ambiguous statement without any meaning for anyone else. define that in terms that others might be able to understand. do you think we'd still have a top 10 defense utilizing that starting lineup?

our starters last year (with sabonis or gibson) were the #2 defensive starters in the nba. where would your proposed lineup be? how many pp100 are we losing swapping roberson for abrines, do you think?

'the d is still fine'

Maybe that doesn't show up on a CARMELO spreadsheet (nobody is impressed), but it's true.

jealous?

Look at golden state! Did klay come in as a shutdown defender? Nope, but that's what the team NEEDED him to be. What are you even talking about here?

klay thompson is not a shutdown defender.

Maybe I should say need to use instead of need for you? Roberson is very bad on offense, and if you don't need his defensive boost because teammates are competent on that end this year, what's the point in 'using' him?

because the net impact of roberson is greater than the net impact of other players? duh?

[bondom34]

Defense doesn't count.

[bondom34]

And I need the groundhog day gif

[hardenASG13]

What?....yes outscore, yes good instead of very good on defense (if you play 2 average defenders (Russ and melo), 2 above average (adams and george), and 1 below average (abrines) the d is still fine.

what is 'fine'? the problem with this kind of discussion with you is that you say things like 'the d is still fine', which is an ambiguous statement without any meaning for anyone else. define that in terms that others might be able to understand. do you think we'd still have a top 10 defense utilizing that starting lineup?

our starters last year (with sabonis or gibson) were the #2 defensive starters in the nba. where would your proposed lineup be? how many pp100 are we losing swapping roberson for abrines, do you think?

'the d is still fine'

Maybe that doesn't show up on a CARMELO spreadsheet (nobody is impressed), but it's true.

jealous?

Look at golden state! Did klay come in as a shutdown defender? Nope, but that's what the team NEEDED him to be. What are you even talking about here?

klay thompson is not a shutdown defender.

Maybe I should say need to use instead of need for you? Roberson is very bad on offense, and if you don't need his defensive boost because teammates are competent on that end this year, what's the point in 'using' him?

because the net impact of roberson is greater than the net impact of other players? duh?

Fine as in good enough to win if your offense is great, as you won't be bad enough on D where you will lose as long as you are good enough on offense.

Not jealous.....nobody is a shutdown defender, even your boy. But thompson became damn good because the team NEEDED him to. Guys actually are capable of doing that, despite what your algorithms tell you.

Also his net impact 'was' good. I'm talking about 'this' season, and 'whether' his skill set is still as useful?

[bondom34]

What are these algorithms and who is using them?

[hardenASG13]

What are these algorithms and who is using them?

Slick watts. They may not be algorithms was taking a shot at him and how smart he thinks he is.

[bondom34]

What are these algorithms and who is using them?

Slick watts. They may not be algorithms was taking a shot at him and how smart he thinks he is.

So basically baiting/trolling, which is againat board rules. And not adding to the discussion while weakening your own argument by sounding this way. And refuting points that were never made.

[hardenASG13]

What are these algorithms and who is using them?

Slick watts. They may not be algorithms was taking a shot at him and how smart he thinks he is.

So basically baiting/trolling, which is againat board rules. And not adding to the discussion while weakening your own argument by sounding this way. And refuting points that were never made.

Sure, but calling something the dumbest thing you've seen on the internet isn't baiting, right? And how are you contributing here, btw? I asked a question re: Roberson this year, looking for opinions. Was met with a personal attack and putting a bunch of common words in quotes as if they are confusing ...so yeah

[bondom34]

Slick watts. They may not be algorithms was taking a shot at him and how smart he thinks he is.

So basically baiting/trolling, which is againat board rules. And not adding to the discussion while weakening your own argument by sounding this way. And refuting points that were never made.

Sure, but calling something the dumbest thing you've seen on the internet isn't baiting, right? And how are you contributing here, btw? I asked a question re: Roberson this year, looking for opinions. Was met with a personal attack and putting a bunch of common words in quotes as if they are confusing ...so yeah

Actually not.

And I'm contributing by asking you to bring actual info instead of baseless remarks with vague wording and speculation.

[hardenASG13]

So basically baiting/trolling, which is againat board rules. And not adding to the discussion while weakening your own argument by sounding this way. And refuting points that were never made.

Sure, but calling something the dumbest thing you've seen on the internet isn't baiting, right? And how are you contributing here, btw? I asked a question re: Roberson this year, looking for opinions. Was met with a personal attack and putting a bunch of common words in quotes as if they are confusing ...so yeah

Actually not.

And I'm contributing by asking you to bring actual info instead of baseless remarks with vague wording and speculation.

Info on what!!!! Are you a robot? I'm asking if it's necessary to play a defensive player, roberson, on this year's team, and who his skills are needed against with George on the team. The season hasn't happened yet, so there is no info to present, you'll hafta think of another way to attack the question/dodge it