Player of the Day: Andre Roberson

[bondom34]

Sure, but calling something the dumbest thing you've seen on the internet isn't baiting, right? And how are you contributing here, btw? I asked a question re: Roberson this year, looking for opinions. Was met with a personal attack and putting a bunch of common words in quotes as if they are confusing ...so yeah

Actually not.

And I'm contributing by asking you to bring actual info instead of baseless remarks with vague wording and speculation.

Info on what!!!! Are you a robot? I'm asking if it's necessary to play a defensive player, roberson, on this year's team, and who his skills are needed against with George on the team. The season hasn't happened yet, so there is no info to present, you'll hafta think of another way to attack the question/dodge it

So youre asking a question and giving an answer but wont use information to back it and now say the question cant be answered. Ok

[hardenASG13]

Actually not.

And I'm contributing by asking you to bring actual info instead of baseless remarks with vague wording and speculation.

Info on what!!!! Are you a robot? I'm asking if it's necessary to play a defensive player, roberson, on this year's team, and who his skills are needed against with George on the team. The season hasn't happened yet, so there is no info to present, you'll hafta think of another way to attack the question/dodge it

So youre asking a question and giving an answer but wont use information to back it and now say the question cant be answered. Ok

How can it be answered with info? It is regarding the upcoming season, with a new roster...is there info on how the team will be im not aware of? The question again is what teams is he necessary against, as paul can guard alot ot the guys he can. Offer an opinion....

[bondom34]

Info on what!!!! Are you a robot? I'm asking if it's necessary to play a defensive player, roberson, on this year's team, and who his skills are needed against with George on the team. The season hasn't happened yet, so there is no info to present, you'll hafta think of another way to attack the question/dodge it

So youre asking a question and giving an answer but wont use information to back it and now say the question cant be answered. Ok

How can it be answered with info? It is regarding the upcoming season, with a new roster...is there info on how the team will be im not aware of?

We have information on the past. If you choose to ignore it that should be done for all players. In which case nobody can refute . we don't know if PG will fit at all. Or Melo. Or maybe Russ plays worse offensively. I can make up anything.

You use the past to predict.

[hardenASG13]

So youre asking a question and giving an answer but wont use information to back it and now say the question cant be answered. Ok

How can it be answered with info? It is regarding the upcoming season, with a new roster...is there info on how the team will be im not aware of?

We have information on the past. If you choose to ignore it that should be done for all players. In which case nobody can refute . we don't know if PG will fit at all. Or Melo. Or maybe Russ plays worse offensively. I can make up anything.

You use the past to predict.

Sure. I don't think okc has ever had melo and Paul George on the roster tho, so it's hard to do here. Yes you can speculate on anyone, that's the point of these player threads, I believe. I'm curious, with okcs offensive fire power, whether a 1 way defender is as useful as in previous years, especially as George can guard alot of the guys he did, and what teams specifically require a defensive specialist to be used alot with all the options okc now has. If you don't have an opinion, fine, don't post

[ThunderBolt]

I’ve said that in an ideal somewhat realistic scenario I would have rather put Adams in the PG trade and kept Oladipo. We could have found an adequate big that is affordable. Maybe we would have been able to let Andre go. As frustrated as I got watching Oladipo, he’s a two way player. As thing stand, I don’t see a situation where Andre’s minutes are reduced much from last year. What we need to hope for is he feels more comfortable on offense and can get to 30% on corner threes. I think he felt pressure to score last year and that won’t be there this year,

[RalphSampsonJr]

How can it be answered with info? It is regarding the upcoming season, with a new roster...is there info on how the team will be im not aware of?

We have information on the past. If you choose to ignore it that should be done for all players. In which case nobody can refute . we don't know if PG will fit at all. Or Melo. Or maybe Russ plays worse offensively. I can make up anything.

You use the past to predict.

Sure. I don't think okc has ever had melo and Paul George on the roster tho, so it's hard to do here. Yes you can speculate on anyone, that's the point of these player threads, I believe. I'm curious, with okcs offensive fire power, whether a 1 way defender is as useful as in previous years, especially as George can guard alot of the guys he did, and what teams specifically require a defensive specialist to be used alot with all the options okc now has. If you don't have an opinion, fine, don't post

I feel Robes will be better suited to playing in this years starting line up than any previous.

You are basically saying (I think correct me if I'm wrong):
Robes doesn't need to be in the starting 5 because PG can play the 3 and defend at a high level?
Therefore chuck Abrines in So we then only have 1/2 crap defenders in that 5 and it won't be to harmful to the team?

Having Robes in there with all that fire power actually helps eliminate what you hate so much about him.. his lack of offense.
Last year he had a lot of Pressure on him as our lack of offense was clear as day. teams knew it was just Russ and a lil vic.
This year the other team has three all stars to watch. All three are strong spot up shooters as well as having the Adams/Russ pnr (which will have more space to operate!)
Robes now can be a lot freer to move and actually get behind the defense as defenders will be focused on three weapons not just Russ.
Robes will not take as many outside shots this year I don't think. He will be cutting and screening and will be using those three as distractions to get good looks.

Plus his defense is the 2nd best on ball defense in the league. Any team wants that on their squad.

Plus our lack of bench would be magnified if Robes played with them. There is already a lack of offense (well there was last year anyway!) why chuck him in to add to it?
Abrines will keep defenders honest in that 2nd unit

[hardenASG13]

I'm actually fine with him starting, mainly for the reason you state in that the depth on the bench would suffer losing abrines. I don't want him playing nearly as much as in the past tho.

I agree his glaring weakness(offense) will be minimized with this team. That said, with how good they should be on offense, they won't have to be as good defensively as in years past. If he starts and plays 12-20 minutes a night, based on matchup that'd be fine. I do think George can do alot of what he does on D, and particularly in the playoffs vs the warriors, houston, and SAS, they won't be able to tolerate 4 on 5 offense with George being a very capable defender, in addition to adams and Paterson (and hopefully Westbrook who needs to be better on D). There simply isn't a need, especially if the star he's guarding averages over 30 ppg like in this year's playoffs. Maybe that's why I'm so unimpressed with all his reg season stats.....its about can we use you against houston, golden State, and the spurs in the playoffs (I like him vs. the spurs)

I'm also questioning the need for a 1 way defensive wing against teams without anyone that require a defensive specialist to guard (think almost any eastern conference team). If that's the case, why not play a better offensive player in his spot, with robes providing relief for 15 minutes a night. I could care less who starts, but don't think it makes much sense to play him 4th quarter minutes. What teams is it necessary for him to play 30mpg against? Are George and grant that bad on D?

[bondom34]

How can it be answered with info? It is regarding the upcoming season, with a new roster...is there info on how the team will be im not aware of?

We have information on the past. If you choose to ignore it that should be done for all players. In which case nobody can refute . we don't know if PG will fit at all. Or Melo. Or maybe Russ plays worse offensively. I can make up anything.

You use the past to predict.

Sure. I don't think okc has ever had melo and Paul George on the roster tho, so it's hard to do here. Yes you can speculate on anyone, that's the point of these player threads, I believe. I'm curious, with okcs offensive fire power, whether a 1 way defender is as useful as in previous years, especially as George can guard alot of the guys he did, and what teams specifically require a defensive specialist to be used alot with all the options okc now has. If you don't have an opinion, fine, don't post

I do but we've done this before. And having a bunch of one way offensive players would seem like an ideal role for Roberson. You just lost a bunch of defense in the lineup with Melo. But I dont really care anymore because nobody's convincing you anything anyway.

[Kizz Fastfists]

That said, with how good they should be on offense, they won't have to be as good defensively as in years past. If he starts and plays 12-20 minutes a night, based on matchup that'd be fine.

They are going to have to get through the team that had the #1 offense and #2 defense last year. You don't do that with a "fine" defense. They need to be the #1 defense with a top 5 offense to have a chance against GS. They are not going to beat GS by trying to outscore them.

[RalphSampsonJr]

I'm actually fine with him starting, mainly for the reason you state in that the depth on the bench would suffer losing abrines. I don't want him playing nearly as much as in the past tho.

I agree his glaring weakness(offense) will be minimized with this team. That said, with how good they should be on offense, they won't have to be as good defensively as in years past. If he starts and plays 12-20 minutes a night, based on matchup that'd be fine. I do think George can do alot of what he does on D, and particularly in the playoffs vs the warriors, houston, and SAS, they won't be able to tolerate 4 on 5 offense with George being a very capable defender, in addition to adams and Paterson (and hopefully Westbrook who needs to be better on D). There simply isn't a need, especially if the star he's guarding averages over 30 ppg like in this year's playoffs. Maybe that's why I'm so unimpressed with all his reg season stats.....its about can we use you against houston, golden State, and the spurs in the playoffs (I like him vs. the spurs)

I'm also questioning the need for a 1 way defensive wing against teams without anyone that require a defensive specialist to guard (think almost any eastern conference team). If that's the case, why not play a better offensive player in his spot, with robes providing relief for 15 minutes a night. I could care less who starts, but don't think it makes much sense to play him 4th quarter minutes. What teams is it necessary for him to play 30mpg against? Are George and grant that bad on D?

PG was asked about him and Robes defense and he raised a good point.
He basically said it's really helpful to have a D guy like Robes so the all stars don't have to exhaust themselves too heavily on that end and can concentrate on getting buckets.
Having guys like Robes and Adams will be good to clean up the mess and do the dirty work. While the Melos and PGs can use up more energy on the offensive end

[RalphSampsonJr]

That said, with how good they should be on offense, they won't have to be as good defensively as in years past. If he starts and plays 12-20 minutes a night, based on matchup that'd be fine.

They are going to have to get through the team that had the #1 offense and #2 defense last year. You don't do that with a "fine" defense. They need to be the #1 defense with a top 5 offense to have a chance against GS. They are not going to beat GS by trying to outscore them.

Yep. I think a lot of people just get it in their heads that it's about just outscoring teams.
Defense seems to be a luxury in today's NBA but if you have a top 3 perimeter defender when the top teams are best at scoring from the perimeter, you HAVE to play him 30 mins

[sleestak33]

Roberson simply can't be in the starting lineup or play as much as he has been because the elite teams take his defender and completely ignore him while using him to double team whoever has the ball or just stand by the lane and wait for somebody to drive which mucks up the offense for everybody else. In the history of me watching NBA playoff basketball I have never seen a player that the other team literally did not guard like this and now I've seen it twice with Roberson against the Warriors and Rockets. People wonder why KD and Westbrook shot the ball so bad in their closeout game and the last 3 games of that series when they were up 3-1 and nobody wants to recognize the fact that was in large part due to the fact that Roberson's defender, mostly Draymond Green, was ignoring him since he's no threat to score and was double teaming Russ or KD forcing them to shoot bad shots. Roberson is a completely limited one dimensional role player who should come off the bench, play just a few minutes at a time to rest your starter and the most he should ever play in a game is maybe 14-16 minutes because any more than that he starts costing the team too many points offensively. This is his role and it's all he ever will be and this team has no chance against the Warriors, Rockets and Spurs starting him and playing him like they're doing now. On top of that I believe teams will start fouling him intentionally to send him to the line like we saw Houston do in the playoffs and he now has the shooting "yips". After watching him go 3-21 on free throws in the playoffs I think he will continue to shoot like that for the rest of his career because it's mental now.

[hardenASG13]

That said, with how good they should be on offense, they won't have to be as good defensively as in years past. If he starts and plays 12-20 minutes a night, based on matchup that'd be fine.

They are going to have to get through the team that had the #1 offense and #2 defense last year. You don't do that with a "fine" defense. They need to be the #1 defense with a top 5 offense to have a chance against GS. They are not going to beat GS by trying to outscore them.

Yep. I think a lot of people just get it in their heads that it's about just outscoring teams.
Defense seems to be a luxury in today's NBA but if you have a top 3 perimeter defender when the top teams are best at scoring from the perimeter, you HAVE to play him 30 mins

What does it matter what their defense is ranked?
The fact is, this year, they can be good, not great on D most nights and still win games (like, top 10 good). When they play golden State, yeah they need to step it up on D, collectively. Playing a guy who's a great defender, but unfortunately can't play at all on offense isn't the answer. Everyone stepping up their levels is, as a team.

Yes, he can give a blow 12-15 minutes a night. While outscoring them isnt likely tonwork either the notion that if he's out there, they could slow golden State is also ridiculous! They are the best offense, probably ever. They are going to score, alot. They need to find a balance of how much to use him (unless he developed some confidence in the oddseason) and I think 30mpg is way too much. Its equally as crazy to think you can stop them, because of 1 guy who's a good defender, who usually switches in screens anyway, and who s assignement went for 34 ppg in last year's playoffs despite his best effort.

[hardenASG13]

I'm actually fine with him starting, mainly for the reason you state in that the depth on the bench would suffer losing abrines. I don't want him playing nearly as much as in the past tho.

I agree his glaring weakness(offense) will be minimized with this team. That said, with how good they should be on offense, they won't have to be as good defensively as in years past. If he starts and plays 12-20 minutes a night, based on matchup that'd be fine. I do think George can do alot of what he does on D, and particularly in the playoffs vs the warriors, houston, and SAS, they won't be able to tolerate 4 on 5 offense with George being a very capable defender, in addition to adams and Paterson (and hopefully Westbrook who needs to be better on D). There simply isn't a need, especially if the star he's guarding averages over 30 ppg like in this year's playoffs. Maybe that's why I'm so unimpressed with all his reg season stats.....its about can we use you against houston, golden State, and the spurs in the playoffs (I like him vs. the spurs)

I'm also questioning the need for a 1 way defensive wing against teams without anyone that require a defensive specialist to guard (think almost any eastern conference team). If that's the case, why not play a better offensive player in his spot, with robes providing relief for 15 minutes a night. I could care less who starts, but don't think it makes much sense to play him 4th quarter minutes. What teams is it necessary for him to play 30mpg against? Are George and grant that bad on D?

PG was asked about him and Robes defense and he raised a good point.
He basically said it's really helpful to have a D guy like Robes so the all stars don't have to exhaust themselves too heavily on that end and can concentrate on getting buckets.
Having guys like Robes and Adams will be good to clean up the mess and do the dirty work. While the Melos and PGs can use up more energy on the offensive end

Yes, it's nice, particularly in the regular season. If he really needs 30 minutes of it, at the expense of having a good shooter on the wing, then that's pathetic. Roberson guarding the best wing 12-15 minutes a night is more logical IMO

[Dadouv47]

Roberson is a perfect starter with our new line up IMO. We need his defense and he will have A LOT of space on offense to attack the paint (if we are able move the ball just a bit). He was pretty effective during 2015-2016 PO's on offense because cupcake and westbrook were always being guarded by so many players that he used to have a lot of space. The same should apply to this year with Westbrook, Melo & PG being guarded.

We are also playing smaller and we need his length. We want PG13 to be effective on both sides. letting Roberson guard our opponent best offensive player. Switch him for any other thunder player and we have a TERRIBLE defensive team.

[ThunderBolt]

I think he will continue...for the rest of his career because it's mental now.

There is a similar feeling on this board in regard to the redundancy of your posts.

[ThunderBolt]

Roberson is a perfect starter with our new line up IMO.

I would phrase it as we are the perfect situation for Roberson, not that Roberson is the perfect
starter for our situation. I would much rather have Klay and a few other players.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Roberson is a perfect starter with our new line up IMO. We need his defense and he will have A LOT of space on offense to attack the paint (if we are able move the ball just a bit). He was pretty effective during 2015-2016 PO's on offense because cupcake and westbrook were always being guarded by so many players that he used to have a lot of space. The same should apply to this year with Westbrook, Melo & PG being guarded.

We are also playing smaller and we need his length. We want PG13 to be effective on both sides. letting Roberson guard our opponent best offensive player. Switch him for any other thunder player and we have a TERRIBLE defensive team.

Yep. Exactly

[RalphSampsonJr]

They are going to have to get through the team that had the #1 offense and #2 defense last year. You don't do that with a "fine" defense. They need to be the #1 defense with a top 5 offense to have a chance against GS. They are not going to beat GS by trying to outscore them.

Yep. I think a lot of people just get it in their heads that it's about just outscoring teams.
Defense seems to be a luxury in today's NBA but if you have a top 3 perimeter defender when the top teams are best at scoring from the perimeter, you HAVE to play him 30 mins

What does it matter what their defense is ranked?
The fact is, this year, they can be good, not great on D most nights and still win games (like, top 10 good). When they play golden State, yeah they need to step it up on D, collectively. Playing a guy who's a great defender, but unfortunately can't play at all on offense isn't the answer. Everyone stepping up their levels is, as a team.

Yes, he can give a blow 12-15 minutes a night. While outscoring them isnt likely tonwork either the notion that if he's out there, they could slow golden State is also ridiculous! They are the best offense, probably ever. They are going to score, alot. They need to find a balance of how much to use him (unless he developed some confidence in the oddseason) and I think 30mpg is way too much. Its equally as crazy to think you can stop them, because of 1 guy who's a good defender, who usually switches in screens anyway, and who s assignement went for 34 ppg in last year's playoffs despite his best effort.

So you are saying the thunder should chuck on their 5 best offensive players and just attempt to outscore them?
Do people realise the difference in having Abrines on the floor compared to Robes has on the team?!
I know people hate advanced stats but there is a very significant difference between the two.
Abrines ended the season as one of the worst defensive 2 guards in the league. I know he is only one player but that 1 player is still a fifth of what happens on the floor

[Kizz Fastfists]

So you are saying the thunder should chuck on their 5 best offensive players and just attempt to outscore them? Do people realise the difference in having Abrines on the floor compared to Robes has on the team?!
I know people hate advanced stats but there is a very significant difference between the two.
Abrines ended the season as one of the worst defensive 2 guards in the league. I know he is only one player but that 1 player is still a fifth of what happens on the floor

If they are going to throw their 5 best offensive players on the court Abrines would be on the bench behind Patterson and Roberson. Roberson has been a positive offensive player for the Thunder since his 2nd season. That would include the season that Russ and kd missed time and OKC missed the playoffs. That pesky scoreboard must be telling lies about who the best players and team is again. We really need to get rid of the scoreboard and let a judging panel determine who won because then everyone could just focus on offensive style points.