Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

As long as we have organized white supremacists somehow walking upright on 2 feet, we have a significant race problem.

Naw you gotta realize that people that call out racism are the real racists.

Honestly I don't think Nazis are the problem. From where I sit as an economist, it's the institutionalized racism built into the criminal justice system. It's casual, passive bias that hurts more than nazis. The stuff that gets blown off as "being politically correct." That stuff is the *heart* of the problem. Being aware of the subtle biases we built into the instructions we've given our police. Taking steps to counter it, like legalizing marijuana and decriminalizing heroin. You can see in the statistics what several generations of differential treatment at the hands of the police has accomplished, just look at the statistics Nate showed a few pages back.

I'm tired of people pointing at political correctness and saying "because of those bad behaving people who take political correctness too far I get to laugh it off and pretend there isn't a problem." It's weak. We're a weak, cowardly nation that's afraid to take responsibility for the suffering we've inflicted.

I strongly agree with this post.

And it strongly agrees with my opinions. When the money supply is constricted on any given segment of people. People will look for ways to make money. But then laws were create laws n enacted with a police force to enforce those laws on that same segment of people. And the judges are harsher on these crimes. it creates an over incarcerated segment of people. Which also breaks up the family.

It all ties into together.

But the police on the streets had nothing to do with any if this. They simply have a job to do and often come from these same streets.

AND when young kids start to be shot on the streets. Something must be done. We the people have to start somewhere.

The Entitlements system as it is. does not appear to be helping at all because we have 3rd n 4th get still on entitlements. I grew up on entitlements for a brief period. Those of us that got free lunches all know each other. Those free lunches hurt more than they helped everyone else. It gave my lazy ass parents the ability to be dead beats and embarrassed me. So much so I worked my ass off. But no one else I knew Made it off of the entitlement. Still on them today. It's a twisted and quite sick system.

Knowledge, opportunity, and jobs! Thday is what we need. Recreating the naivity of the American imagination wouldn't hurt. I say naivety because sometimes being too smart isn't any good for you if you ate not in any kind of position to instill change. Sometimes you just got to put the blinders on and get to work.

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[stilldropin20]

If there was no racial divide in this country, there'd be nothing for the Russians to stir up *shrug*

i edited my post.

if its too much for you ftto read let me say this. Both of your posts do absolutely nothing to help bridge the racial divide. In issue like racism, you are either part of the solution or part of the problem. I'll leave it at that.

So discussing it is part of the problem.

Got it.

you are not discussing. at all really. I'm discussing. and you are hindering the discussion. like i said. part of the solution or part of the problem. no middle ground with racism.

[stilldropin20]

As long as we have organized white supremacists somehow walking upright on 2 feet, we have a significant race problem.

Naw you gotta realize that people that call out racism are the real racists.

im the only person in this thread thoughtfully discussing this. and you keep making me not want to discuss this.

do you understand that you little child!!!!!

Zonker finally contributed something of substance. and you are going to bait this into name calling and we will cover no ground!!!

you are part of the solution or part of the problem. so just stop!!!! grow up for a second!!! and let adults speak or try to engage us like an adult. this is a serious issue and we can bridge this gap if we try.

[stilldropin20]

The intelligent became the "haves" and likely retained control (the elite ruling class) and they have successfully become the owners of the globe. As the human race grew. They got mor eorganized. They created language. math. hierachy. then stuff like religion. all in the name of production (at first for themselves to consume and enjoy) but realized that needed to create economies which also consumed and linked that with even more production. and there is some good in it, production and consumption, invention. But mostly pain and suffering by the groups at the bottom which often make up the vast majority of any given population. and some group has always been at the very bottom in terms of being exploited and that varies in different parts of the world. But in this country no race has suffered more from this "pitting against each" and exploitation than black people via institutional slavery and racism. And that is why those mis leading stats may have even an ounce of truth in them.

I disagree that the "haves" in this country (and elsewhere in many cases) got that way because they were more intelligent. Many of the haves in this country got that way because their ancestors were violent and heartless, virtually wiping out the Native Americans and stealing their land, and enslaving Africans and discriminating against them for centuries. In other words, early racism.

A lot of the wealth and privilege in this country dates back centuries, and has been passed on from generation to generation in the form of property, businesses, social networks, access to the top schools, etc. Bottom line: Some of the wealthiest people and families (or haves) in this country owe their wealth to this nation’s sordid history, and not because they're more "intelligent" than the so-called have-nots.

i dont disagree with you post. keep in mind i'm clearly using "got a dime for a cup of coffee" anecdotes as well as some very basic history. But your post doesn't disagree with my feelings. but it does depend on what you consider the "haves."

Sometimes, the "haves" are as you described. But usually they are much bigger than that. The "haves" are often the families/institutions that financed such individuals you describe and sometimes they become the ruling class.

mark zuckerberg just entered this elite group. and maybe he will be responsible? It already looks like he wasn't/isn't all in the name of profits. Google has the entire nation under police state monitoring right now via our smart devices. Google and zuckerberg ar enew comers. maybe they will do the right thing with this information and power? History shows is that they never do though. the nouveau riche though, is often tricked by the old wealth. we'll see.

[gtn130]

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"This is an excellent tax plan" - SD20, Bernie Sanders voter

[montestewart]

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"This is an excellent tax plan" - SD20, Bernie Sanders voter

A famous, prolific, and now departed poster on this board (come on, do I have to hand you the name?) used to think that because he wrote more and longer posts than anyone else, he made more sense than anyone else, if only we could see that

As far as I can see, my taxes are going up. Trump's various tax proposals would likely force many people to sell their houses, erode middle class income, and make saving for retirement more difficult. I guess Trump knew I didn't vote for him and just thought he would design a plan that would **** me royally. If he ****s enough of us, maybe one of his billionaire buddies can buy a new wine bucket, because that's what they'll do with that extra money. A bigger house, a longer yacht, more gilt paint.

[stilldropin20]

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"This is an excellent tax plan" - SD20, Bernie Sanders voter

guys, guys, guys. politics require a give and take.

here's what I would do:


If i were president and had 51 senators and 235 congressmen on my side right now (in this order) I would build up the strongest military we can possibly muster. massive military expansion. borrowing heavily!! and Get ready for the war of wars. Once I have that military in place, with congress write laws that make it impossible to move "american" wealth outside the current american central banking systems without harsh taxes (90% or higher) upon moving it to international tax havens. then I would restructure our bankruptcy laws to where you cant file corporate bankruptcy and hide your personal wealth in personal tax havens, trusts, or foundations or off shore accounts or here in the states. Then i would impose a stiff 98% tax on every single corporation on their assets over $500 million. and do the same for every individual, trust, or foundation with a their assets over $100 million.

Once I seized and nationalized this "old money and new money american wealth," I would then sign an executive order that we are not enforcing bankrupcy laws for the next 5 years on any individual with a net worth of less then $1 million. And then encouraging all american to stop paying their mortgages. This will crush the rest of the international banking cartel within 6 months. All americans can keep your home, keep your car and you dont have to pay for it. same goes for student loans and credit cards. Zero debt for all americans!

And then I park a full-dress carrier group with a recommissioned iowa class battleship just outside of Basel, Switzerland and point the those 16" canons at the rothschild BIS central banking cartel headquarters, and say simply, "go ahead, make my muthphunkin day!"And as the rothschild central banking cartel is being brought to their knees, i would then negotiate our nations debt of 10 trillion down to $2 billion. take it or leave it. If they want the full 10 trillion it will be paid in greenbacks which will be severely devalued. almost worthless at this point as the complete financial global banking markets will be crushed. Once we paid off the dept, i would then nationalize the entire US central banking system.

once the central banks were nationalized, and 5 years had passed I would then offer the american people the opportunity to purchase their homes existing homes 10% (or less depending on how much the home would have been devalued) of the 5 year prior assessed value at low interest rates.

Entire nation's debt gone. central banks gone. 70-80% of the entire global wealth would have been redistributed/nationalized. Banking markets collapses. stock markets collapsed. real estate markets collapsed. and the collapses would be felt around the entire world. Ground zero. Start over.

But no one here will agree with that. No one is ready for that. thats my version of bernie sanders politics. thats who I am. But I understand that the rest of the world is not ready to stand up to the bully bankers. Humans are cowards. the ruling class is well aware.

So within the non-confrontational cowardice framework of tax reform, the best we can do right now is a universal tax break that also benefits the elite ruling class cuz no one wants to stand up to them. But I'm ready when you are!!

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[Ruzious]

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"This is an excellent tax plan" - SD20, Bernie Sanders voter

guys, guys, guys. politics require a give and take.

here's what I would do:


If i were president and had 51 senators and 235 congressmen on my side right now (in this order) I would build up the strongest military we can possibly muster. massive military expansion. borrowing heavily!! and Get ready for the war of wars. Once I have that military in place, with congress write laws that make it impossible to move "american" wealth outside the current american central banking systems without harsh taxes (90% or higher) upon moving it to international tax havens. then I would restructure our bankruptcy laws to where you cant file corporate bankruptcy and hide your personal wealth in personal tax havens, trusts, or foundations or off shore accounts or here in the states. Then i would impose a stiff 98% tax on every single corporation on their assets over $500 million. and do the same for every individual, trust, or foundation with a their assets over $100 million.

Once I seized and nationalized this "old money and new money american wealth," I would then sign an executive order that we are not enforcing bankrupcy laws for the next 5 years on any individual with a net worth of less then $1 million. And then encouraging all american to stop paying their mortgages. This will crush the rest of the international banking cartel within 6 months. All americans can keep your home, keep your car and you dont have to pay for it. same goes for student loans and credit cards. Zero debt for all americans!

And then I park a full-dress carrier group with a recommissioned iowa class battleship just outside of Basel, Switzerland and point the those 16" canons at the rothschild BIS central banking cartel headquarters, and say simply, "go ahead, make my muthphunkin day!"And as the rothschild central banking cartel is being brought to their knees, i would then negotiate our nations debt of 10 trillion down to $2 billion. take it or leave it. If they want the full 10 trillion it will be paid in greenbacks which will be severely devalued. almost worthless at this point as the complete financial global banking markets will be crushed. Once we paid off the dept, i would then nationalize the entire US central banking system.

once the central banks were nationalized, and 5 years had passed I would then offer the american people the opportunity to purchase their homes existing homes 10% (or less depending on how much the home would have been devalued) of the 5 year prior assessed value at low interest rates.

Entire nation's debt gone. central banks gone. 70-80% of the entire global wealth would have been redistributed/nationalized. Banking markets collapses. stock markets collapsed. real estate markets collapsed. and the collapses would be felt around the entire world. Ground zero. Start over.

But no one here will agree with that. No one is ready for that. thats my version of bernie sanders politics. thats who I am. But I understand that the rest of the world is not ready to stand up to the bully bankers. Humans are cowards. the ruling class is well aware.

So within the non-confrontational cowardice framework of tax reform, the best we can do right now is a universal tax break that also benefits the elite ruling class cuz no one wants to stand up to them. But I'm ready when you are!!

There's far left, and there's wacko left. You're at far wacko left. But I'm guessing you were just spitballing to get a reaction. A 98% tax would mean no big business in the US. It'd take a dictator to pull that off. And that's not Bernie Sanders. You are not anything... like Bernie Sanders. That's not who you are. Trust me on that. If that thought ever occurs to you again that you are like Bernie, realize you're having a malfunction.

[stilldropin20]

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"This is an excellent tax plan" - SD20, Bernie Sanders voter

guys, guys, guys. politics require a give and take.

here's what I would do:


If i were president and had 51 senators and 235 congressmen on my side right now (in this order) I would build up the strongest military we can possibly muster. massive military expansion. borrowing heavily!! and Get ready for the war of wars. Once I have that military in place, with congress write laws that make it impossible to move "american" wealth outside the current american central banking systems without harsh taxes (90% or higher) upon moving it to international tax havens. then I would restructure our bankruptcy laws to where you cant file corporate bankruptcy and hide your personal wealth in personal tax havens, trusts, or foundations or off shore accounts or here in the states. Then i would impose a stiff 98% tax on every single corporation on their assets over $500 million. and do the same for every individual, trust, or foundation with a their assets over $100 million.

Once I seized and nationalized this "old money and new money american wealth," I would then sign an executive order that we are not enforcing bankrupcy laws for the next 5 years on any individual with a net worth of less then $1 million. And then encouraging all american to stop paying their mortgages. This will crush the rest of the international banking cartel within 6 months. All americans can keep your home, keep your car and you dont have to pay for it. same goes for student loans and credit cards. Zero debt for all americans!

And then I park a full-dress carrier group with a recommissioned iowa class battleship just outside of Basel, Switzerland and point the those 16" canons at the rothschild BIS central banking cartel headquarters, and say simply, "go ahead, make my muthphunkin day!"And as the rothschild central banking cartel is being brought to their knees, i would then negotiate our nations debt of 10 trillion down to $2 billion. take it or leave it. If they want the full 10 trillion it will be paid in greenbacks which will be severely devalued. almost worthless at this point as the complete financial global banking markets will be crushed. Once we paid off the dept, i would then nationalize the entire US central banking system.

once the central banks were nationalized, and 5 years had passed I would then offer the american people the opportunity to purchase their homes existing homes 10% (or less depending on how much the home would have been devalued) of the 5 year prior assessed value at low interest rates.

Entire nation's debt gone. central banks gone. 70-80% of the entire global wealth would have been redistributed/nationalized. Banking markets collapses. stock markets collapsed. real estate markets collapsed. and the collapses would be felt around the entire world. Ground zero. Start over.

But no one here will agree with that. No one is ready for that. thats my version of bernie sanders politics. thats who I am. But I understand that the rest of the world is not ready to stand up to the bully bankers. Humans are cowards. the ruling class is well aware.

So within the non-confrontational cowardice framework of tax reform, the best we can do right now is a universal tax break that also benefits the elite ruling class cuz no one wants to stand up to them. But I'm ready when you are!!

There's far left, and there's wacko left. You're at far wacko left. But I'm guessing you were just spitballing to get a reaction. A 98% tax would mean no big business in the US. It'd take a dictator to pull that off. And that's not Bernie Sanders. You are not anything... like Bernie Sanders. That's not who you are. Trust me on that. If that thought ever occurs to you again that you are like Bernie, realize you're having a malfunction.

im ready when you are, Ruz.

this could work you know. all you need 286 people and the will of the american people behind it.

[payitforward]

I know its a simple concept for all the savants in this thread but Please indulge me once again. If you constrict basic needs enough (and in the modern world that means the money supply), you will create despair then desperation. Its despair, desperation and such that leads to fear.

So dont fall for it! and definitely do not fall for any stats that say black people are more violent that white people.

As I said, your heart is on the right side... but, tbh, I'm pretty sure you don't even know what "the money supply" is!! Zonk must be laughing up his sleeve or crying in his beer or both or something!

[payitforward]

guys, guys, guys. politics require a give and take.

here's what I would do:


If i were president and had 51 senators and 235 congressmen on my side right now (in this order) I would build up the strongest military we can possibly muster. massive military expansion. borrowing heavily!! and Get ready for the war of wars. Once I have that military in place, with congress write laws that make it impossible to move "american" wealth outside the current american central banking systems without harsh taxes (90% or higher) upon moving it to international tax havens. then I would restructure our bankruptcy laws to where you cant file corporate bankruptcy and hide your personal wealth in personal tax havens, trusts, or foundations or off shore accounts or here in the states. Then i would impose a stiff 98% tax on every single corporation on their assets over $500 million. and do the same for every individual, trust, or foundation with a their assets over $100 million.

Once I seized and nationalized this "old money and new money american wealth," I would then sign an executive order that we are not enforcing bankrupcy laws for the next 5 years on any individual with a net worth of less then $1 million. And then encouraging all american to stop paying their mortgages. This will crush the rest of the international banking cartel within 6 months. All americans can keep your home, keep your car and you dont have to pay for it. same goes for student loans and credit cards. Zero debt for all americans!

And then I park a full-dress carrier group with a recommissioned iowa class battleship just outside of Basel, Switzerland and point the those 16" canons at the rothschild BIS central banking cartel headquarters, and say simply, "go ahead, make my muthphunkin day!"And as the rothschild central banking cartel is being brought to their knees, i would then negotiate our nations debt of 10 trillion down to $2 billion. take it or leave it. If they want the full 10 trillion it will be paid in greenbacks which will be severely devalued. almost worthless at this point as the complete financial global banking markets will be crushed. Once we paid off the dept, i would then nationalize the entire US central banking system.

once the central banks were nationalized, and 5 years had passed I would then offer the american people the opportunity to purchase their homes existing homes 10% (or less depending on how much the home would have been devalued) of the 5 year prior assessed value at low interest rates.

Entire nation's debt gone. central banks gone. 70-80% of the entire global wealth would have been redistributed/nationalized. Banking markets collapses. stock markets collapsed. real estate markets collapsed. and the collapses would be felt around the entire world. Ground zero. Start over.

But no one here will agree with that. No one is ready for that. thats my version of bernie sanders politics. thats who I am. But I understand that the rest of the world is not ready to stand up to the bully bankers. Humans are cowards. the ruling class is well aware.

So within the non-confrontational cowardice framework of tax reform, the best we can do right now is a universal tax break that also benefits the elite ruling class cuz no one wants to stand up to them. But I'm ready when you are!!

There's far left, and there's wacko left. You're at far wacko left. But I'm guessing you were just spitballing to get a reaction. A 98% tax would mean no big business in the US. It'd take a dictator to pull that off. And that's not Bernie Sanders. You are not anything... like Bernie Sanders. That's not who you are. Trust me on that. If that thought ever occurs to you again that you are like Bernie, realize you're having a malfunction.

If you ever needed an indication that words like "left" & "right" have lost all meaning, this guy would be where to look. Has no idea whatever of what he is saying. An amazing dude.

[dckingsfan]

If you ever needed an indication that words like "left" & "right" have lost all meaning, this guy would be where to look. Has no idea whatever of what he is saying. An amazing dude.

Something I have been thinking about... are parties (the vehicles if you will) are set up for "left" & "right" or maybe the way I looked at it "left", "middle & "right" But as you point out it has lost meaning. It is difficult to get a handle on where people align. Probably a topic that needs a deep dive. I don't have my mind wrapped around it enough to be concise.

As an example: I think there is still conservatives but that used to equate to social + fiscal + war hawks if you will - and that has clearly changed. But the Republican party doesn't seem to be made up of "conservatives" any longer - there are still conservatives in the Republican party but it is different.

Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/politics/trump-tax-cuts-deficit-republicans-congress.html?mcubz=0

[Pointgod]

As long as we have organized white supremacists somehow walking upright on 2 feet, we have a significant race problem.

Naw you gotta realize that people that call out racism are the real racists.

im the only person in this thread thoughtfully discussing this. and you keep making me not want to discuss this.

do you understand that you little child!!!!!

Zonker finally contributed something of substance. and you are going to bait this into name calling and we will cover no ground!!!

you are part of the solution or part of the problem. so just stop!!!! grow up for a second!!! and let adults speak or try to engage us like an adult. this is a serious issue and we can bridge this gap if we try.

Calm down snowflake. You notice I've avoided replying to you directly because you're obviously someone who falls in love with the sound of their own voice. Please spare me the wall of pointless text and don't reply to my post.

[stilldropin20]

alright. thats what i thought: none of you are even remotely serious about redistributing the wealth disparity. I didn't think you were.

digging in on a % here and a % point there is just plain futile. a fool's errand. a waste of time. you accomplish nothing. you pay for nothing. we will still be starring down the barrel of 35-40Trillion in debt when trump or Pence(even worse) leaves office. and most americans are right there with you. Afraid of their own shadows. Its out damn money, country, government, everything. and you have no interest in actually taking it back. They own your souls and your entire thought process. been brain washing you since birth. drink dat kool aide up!!

And thats why people like me have first order and second order politics. I know human beings are cowards. The ol' "If you cant beat them join them." So I'll gladly take my 39 down to 25% s-corp tax break and run with it. and I will gladly give the ruling class a 39 down to 20% C-corp tax break along the way. At leas this way the economy will continue to grow and I can continue to make some damn money. and I will take care of my tiny little circle. and I will gladly pass my earnings down to my children tax free, thank you.

get serious about wealth redistribution, though? and give me a call.

and this aint no different that your voter fraud cry baby antic. get serious about true 100% voter reformation and give me a call. I'll be the first to agree. two forms of state issued ID's, 2 forms of proof of residency via utilty bill, and a thumb print to back it all up. Do that and I'm in.

Libs are so funny, swim around in their go nowhere sand traps they think are swimming pools. call me when you get radical.

Trump 2020!!! drain the swamp! America first! bring back jobs! and yada yada yada. he's going to win again. I bring the kleenex back in 2020. I'm out!

[montestewart]

no...don't go...please...

[Ruzious]

alright. thats what i thought: none of you are even remotely serious about redistributing the wealth disparity. I didn't think you were.

digging in on a % here and a % point there is just plain futile. a fool's errand. a waste of time. you accomplish nothing. you pay for nothing. we will still be starring down the barrel of 35-40Trillion in debt when trump or Pence(even worse) leaves office. and most americans are right there with you. Afraid of their own shadows. Its out damn money, country, government, everything. and you have no interest in actually taking it back. They own your souls and your entire thought process. been brain washing you since birth. drink dat kool aide up!!

And thats why people like me have first order and second order politics. I know human beings are cowards. The ol' "If you cant beat them join them." So I'll gladly take my 39 down to 25% s-corp tax break and run with it. and I will gladly give the ruling class a 39 down to 20% C-corp tax break along the way. At leas this way the economy will continue to grow and I can continue to make some damn money. and I will take care of my tiny little circle. and I will gladly pass my earnings down to my children tax free, thank you.

get serious about wealth redistribution, though? and give me a call.

and this aint no different that your voter fraud cry baby antic. get serious about true 100% voter reformation and give me a call. I'll be the first to agree. two forms of state issued ID's, 2 forms of proof of residency via utilty bill, and a thumb print to back it all up. Do that and I'm in.

Libs are so funny, swim around in their go nowhere sand traps they think are swimming pools. call me when you get radical.

Trump 2020!!! drain the swamp! America first! bring back jobs! and yada yada yada. he's going to win again. I bring the kleenex back in 2020. I'm out!

C'mon, you heartily applauded Trump's tax plan at least a couple of times, and it includes a repeal of the estate tax. That's the opposite of wealth redistribution, and your other ideas (that I read) on wealth redistribution have zero chance of even getting discussed by any politician. So, I think you're being disingenuous in your verbiagery.

[dckingsfan]

I actually support lower corporate taxes, we are out of whack with the rest of the world. I don't have a breakdown in the rates that were prescribed. But they need to get rid of the carveouts - especially for income above a certain rate.

What I have a problem with is eliminating the AMT without an alternative for those top rates. The deductions are going to kill the tax revenue base. Getting rid of the estate tax is just foolish - it will come back anyway.

I am disheartened by the lack of fiscal prudency of both parties. Trump won on the back of illogic. Bernie was right there pulling Hillary back.

I see the next election based on who has the biggest giveaways.

[stilldropin20]

alright. thats what i thought: none of you are even remotely serious about redistributing the wealth disparity. I didn't think you were.

digging in on a % here and a % point there is just plain futile. a fool's errand. a waste of time. you accomplish nothing. you pay for nothing. we will still be starring down the barrel of 35-40Trillion in debt when trump or Pence(even worse) leaves office. and most americans are right there with you. Afraid of their own shadows. Its out damn money, country, government, everything. and you have no interest in actually taking it back. They own your souls and your entire thought process. been brain washing you since birth. drink dat kool aide up!!

And thats why people like me have first order and second order politics. I know human beings are cowards. The ol' "If you cant beat them join them." So I'll gladly take my 39 down to 25% s-corp tax break and run with it. and I will gladly give the ruling class a 39 down to 20% C-corp tax break along the way. At leas this way the economy will continue to grow and I can continue to make some damn money. and I will take care of my tiny little circle. and I will gladly pass my earnings down to my children tax free, thank you.

get serious about wealth redistribution, though? and give me a call.

and this aint no different that your voter fraud cry baby antic. get serious about true 100% voter reformation and give me a call. I'll be the first to agree. two forms of state issued ID's, 2 forms of proof of residency via utilty bill, and a thumb print to back it all up. Do that and I'm in.

Libs are so funny, swim around in their go nowhere sand traps they think are swimming pools. call me when you get radical.

Trump 2020!!! drain the swamp! America first! bring back jobs! and yada yada yada. he's going to win again. I bring the kleenex back in 2020. I'm out!

C'mon, you heartily applauded Trump's tax plan at least a couple of times, and it includes a repeal of the estate tax. That's the opposite of wealth redistribution, and your other ideas (that I read) on wealth redistribution have zero chance of even getting discussed by any politician. So, I think you're being disingenuous in your verbiagery.

the estate tax code as written is complete and utter bull. foundations, trusts, et al were all exempt. so the only people that actually paid the estate tax were too stupid to hire a lawyer or CPA to form a trust or foundation and pass the wealth down via those tax exempt loop holes. (the ol' generational knowledge thing again.) so it was a bull artist's estate tax.

So Only the dumb ass mom n pop "estates" were actually paying it the estate taxes. or parents that secretly hated their kids. Or nouveau riche that died young without an estate properly set up. Everyone else has worked the loop holes!!

Not only are there trust and foundation loop holes here in the US but also overseas. Billionaires do not consider themselves americans's anymore. they truly are global citizens with global holdings so they can simply move that wealth overseas to a country they can trust. And this is why "they" even created a central banking system anyway. You think it was to protect the "commoners" wealth? So even if we enacted laws to go after trusts and foundations. which you will not only need 285 members of congress and a sitting president on board but you will also need at least a few judges on all 13 circuit and at least 5 justices on the supreme court. case law going back 200 plus years has left these foundations and trusts alone. Ie. There's no precedent in this country to redistribute wealth. So even if we enacted the laws they will simply move the wealth overseas.

Bottom line: They can hide wealth in trusts and foundations and those trusts and foundations are untouchable for all intents and practical purposes. if that doesn't work they can move the wealth overseas to more favorable government.

Here's the kicker!! In 2016 the total combined wealth held in 501c3 was around $650 Billion. They donated a combined $44 Billion to charity. Like I said 10 pages ago, less than 10%!!!! So even in the mandatory "charitable" foundations, they arent even giving the wealth away. 7% is garbage!!!! a joke!!!! And they can move money in and out, pay themselves salaries. buy planes, buy yachts, perform R n D, etc. Its a tax shelter, estate loop hole, a big frickin piggy bank. Again, the courts have left them alone for 200 plus years so no circuit or district court is going against 200 years of case law.

If ever we do get serious about wealth redistribution you will need to have judges in place all over the country and at least 5 in the highest court that are "on board" and cant be bought. Then you will need to forcefully control the BIS in basel, switzerland(militarily), but not openly. It would need to be covert. So you would need some lunatics like ISIL(i just did obama a solid) for "cover." Then you would need to go in order. forcefully(or shrewdly) repatriate american dollars. once you get those dollas back in the US federal reserve system vs other central banking system, enact tax codes if they move the money out of US FRS. Then enact tax laws harshly taxing wealth held in foundations and trusts over a certain amount. then have judges in place as these laws will most assuredly be challenged in court.

and this is just the tip of the iceberg in regard to wealth redistibution. JTT!!!!

So i repeat. No one is serious about actual wealth redistribution. SO if no one is serious about why in gods green earth should i not want to keep as much as my own damn money along the way.

And here's another thing i need to say. I dont think there is a poster in this thread that even fully understands my posts. There are about 4-5 guys calling me dumb who dont even know what language I'm speaking. My calculus is light years out in front of this. Light years. You guys dont even know what you dont even know.


And thats why I say Obama let them off the hook. But this whole thing got thrust on him too quickly. But still congress was ready to move on this type of legislature if there had been a plan. But the federal reserve ran the whole damn thing. Thats how big they are. they are the dog. the US government is the tail. and none of you even have a clue how big that dog is and how small that tail is.

Raise taxes on the rich!!!, you say?? and they move all their money overseas before the new law is signed.
Hit em with an estate tax, you say!!??? and its already in tax exempt trusts in foundations anyway.

wealth redistribution will take radical (RADICAL!!) legislation. and a full on World war to actually "go get" the wealth. and the rad legislation will still be challenged in the courts. so at the end of the day you need the circuit and supreme court judges too.

Since we all agree that will never happen.

the US government should then covertly take it back. which is actually easier. basically 2008 all over again as I also explained. This time let it crumble. Tell all americans to not pay off any of their debt. complete meltdown. massive inflation. massive devaluation of the retirement accounts, and massive devaluation of the real estate holdings. Ground zero.


These are the only 2 options on real and actual wealth redistribution. If anyone has another I'd gladly hear it. Everything else is a complete waste of time, a fools errand. and has the non-elites fighting over the scraps. again.

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no...don't go...please...

not sure if serious but ok. i'll stay