Media Day and Training Camp 2017

[Nazrmohamed]

I liked Jennings last year. I actually thought we ran a pretty cool offense when he was on the court. He have his full effort to reinvent himself in NY. The ball was whipping around, tons of P&R and guys getting great feeds in motion.
Problem was
A- it wasnt the triangle and to Phil probably looked too disorganized and not deliberate enough
B- he plays zero defense
C- he cant hit 3s
Point is jennings was like that QB in HS who gets the touchdown but breaks the play and coach is pissed....but it worked.

Anyway thats old news. All Ill implore you to do is forget just about everything you know about our last regime and system and remember that its now Horniceks system here, fully. Guys who made sense might not make sense. Guys who didnt make sense may emerge. I think you'll soon realize that its those who run, jump high, shoot the furthest or can score the quickest will have the most value....at least internally. I think Willy still has a role. But I just don't see that role as being a C in a 2 bigman lineup. The things you say hes good at are great reasonings for why he might hold his own for 20 minutes a night in a 1 bigman lineup with 2 SFs and 2 guards, probably average 11&9 and be highly tradeable.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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To be fair, Shane was a midget who relied entirely on speed in college and never developed an outside shot and Toney simply had no feel for the game and ran into every single screen set on him.

[Tron Carter]

starting kp/kanter to go "against the grain" of the small ball era is just asking for failure. which is fine with me.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I liked Jennings last year. I actually thought we ran a pretty cool offense when he was on the court. He have his full effort to reinvent himself in NY. The ball was whipping around, tons of P&R and guys getting great feeds in motion.
Problem was
A- it wasnt the triangle and to Phil probably looked too disorganized and not deliberate enough
B- he plays zero defense
C- he cant hit 3s
Point is jennings was like that QB in HS who gets the touchdown but breaks the play and coach is pissed....but it worked.

Anyway thats old news. All Ill implore you to do is forget just about everything you know about our last regime and system and remember that its now Horniceks system here, fully. Guys who made sense might not make sense. Guys who didnt make sense may emerge. I think you'll soon realize that its those who run, jump high, shoot the furthest or can score the quickest will have the most value....at least internally. I think Willy still has a role. But I just don't see that role as being a C in a 2 bigman lineup. The things you say hes good at are great reasonings for why he might hold his own for 20 minutes a night in a 1 bigman lineup with 2 SFs and 2 guards, probably average 11&9 and be highly tradeable.

Please tell me you didn't just post start Enes in one post and trade Willy in another.

[Tron Carter]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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To be fair, Shane was a midget who relied entirely on speed in college and never developed an outside shot and Toney simply had no feel for the game and ran into every single screen set on him.

comparing frank to prospects like toney douglas and shane larkin is just disrespectful. kid has been a pro since he was 15.

[Phish Tank]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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To be fair, Shane was a midget who relied entirely on speed in college and never developed an outside shot and Toney simply had no feel for the game and ran into every single screen set on him.

Fair. But the general point was that neither were ready and they ended up not only hurting the team while on the floor but also their confidence, which has also lingered.


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[NBA Fan 1234]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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To be fair, Shane was a midget who relied entirely on speed in college and never developed an outside shot and Toney simply had no feel for the game and ran into every single screen set on him.

Fair. But the general point was that neither were ready and they ended up not only hurting the team while on the floor but also their confidence, which has also lingered.


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Frank has been playing against men for a while now, though...even though he's young, I think he's absolutely ready. Having the background of a professional player also gives me confidence that he won't get shaken. He's been through the highs and the lows, even if the target is bigger in NY.

[BKlutch]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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At the beginning of his rookie season, KP came off the bench. Then he started after he has some experience. Maybe Frank will be able to do the same.

[Phish Tank]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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At the beginning of his rookie season, KP came off the bench. Then he started after he has some experience. Maybe Frank will be able to do the same.

KP started the entire season


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[blueNorange]

Willy plays more defense than Kanter and it's not even close. I know Willy has work to do on that end, but even he showed flashes...whereas Kanter has never played a lick of defense. Also, Willy actually passes the ball.

willy plays more defense, okay ... he still sucks at defense.

that's like saying jr smith is more inefficient than jamal crawful.

Yeah, so did Marc Gasol at the same age. Willy has the size and he's light on his feet, so there's no reason why he can't be a good defender as he gets more playing time - he's also shown flashes there, so it's far from out of the question. At the very least, he'll end up solid on that end IMO.

Willy is not good, although he has shown flashes and has the potential, but Kanter is absolute trash. He was one of the worst defensive players in the NBA since entering the league.

kanter is trash defensively, but i think you and others don't know how good it is to have a scoring machine like kanter off the bench for 18-20 minutes.

not to mention i feel like kristaps should never play more than 30 minutes to preserve his health and stamina during games.

[Nazrmohamed]

Whenever there is an old guy signed, it almost becomes a myth about what he can do. Sessions can't do any of those you mentioned. You start Sessions to intentionally tank games. Not any of those stability stuff you mention. Again, Baker over Frank: Likely. Jack over Frank: Doubtful but not out of question. Sessions over Frank: LOL.

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whenever the knocks add a young player it almost becomes a myth about what he can do.
you dont start a rookie unless its an exceptional situation or a desperate one
and at PG you certainly dont

You start a player regardless of position if he is ready for it / is the best option. It has nothing to do with it being an exceptional or desperate situation.

Well then don't argue that cuz by your definition we should start Jack. Hes sure to be better today than Frank. The argument for Frank is that right now we should be more concerned about developing assets and at pick 8 his portential would be best fulfilled getting him as many touches as he can. Hes already got nba length, weight and plays great defense. He'll figure the rest out along the way.....or maybe he won't but emerge as a decent SG prospect

[Jose7]

KP started every regular season game he played as a rookie.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I think NLR is right... frank will come off the bench, initially, and it will be a good decision to do so. Last thing you want is for a young PG to be put in the fire and fail. Think Shane Larkin or toney Douglas to that extent. Neither recovered


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At the beginning of his rookie season, KP came off the bench. Then he started after he has some experience. Maybe Frank will be able to do the same.

KP started every regular season game since coming into the NBA besides one this past year when he was coming back from an injury.

[Phish Tank]

To be fair, Shane was a midget who relied entirely on speed in college and never developed an outside shot and Toney simply had no feel for the game and ran into every single screen set on him.

Fair. But the general point was that neither were ready and they ended up not only hurting the team while on the floor but also their confidence, which has also lingered.


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Frank has been playing against men for a while now, though...even though he's young, I think he's absolutely ready. Having the background of a professional player also gives me confidence that he won't get shaken. He's been through the highs and the lows, even if the target is bigger in NY.

You might be right. Unlike the other two situations, there’s no pressure to win. He might end up okay


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[Jose7]

KP should never play more than 30 minutes a game to preserve health? You guys just write stupid **** some times. As a licensed therapist and a fan I just shake my damn head.

[NBA Fan 1234]

willy plays more defense, okay ... he still sucks at defense.

that's like saying jr smith is more inefficient than jamal crawful.

Yeah, so did Marc Gasol at the same age. Willy has the size and he's light on his feet, so there's no reason why he can't be a good defender as he gets more playing time - he's also shown flashes there, so it's far from out of the question. At the very least, he'll end up solid on that end IMO.

Willy is not good, although he has shown flashes and has the potential, but Kanter is absolute trash. He was one of the worst defensive players in the NBA since entering the league.

kanter is trash defensively, but i think you and others don't know how good it is to have a scoring machine like kanter off the bench for 18-20 minutes.

not to mention i feel like kristaps should never play more than 30 minutes to preserve his health and stamina during games.

I think I do, but ok.

whenever the knocks add a young player it almost becomes a myth about what he can do.
you dont start a rookie unless its an exceptional situation or a desperate one
and at PG you certainly dont

You start a player regardless of position if he is ready for it / is the best option. It has nothing to do with it being an exceptional or desperate situation.

Well then don't argue that cuz by your definition we should stay Jack. Hes sure to be better today than Frank. The argument for Frank is that right now we should be more concerned about developing assets and at pick 8 his portential would be best fulfilled getting him as many touches as he can. Hes already got nba length, weight and plays great defense. He'll figure the rest out along the way.....or maybe he won't but emerge as a decent SG prospect

Present day Jack...? Have you seen him the last few years? He's fragile and is nowhere near the player he was even three / four years ago.

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[drekwins]

As much as I hate to say it (really just his contract), I see Noah as an important piece of this team right now. We have a lot of guys that appear to be really high character and likeable guys. However, some of them are just flat out goofy. For instance, Kanter, KP, Willy, Kuz, Beasley, etc. It's important to have the personalities of Noah, Jack, Frank, Baker and Lee to keep the team focused, structured and playing high intensity defense.

[K_ick_God]

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