"A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ The Equality & Other Issues Thread

[ViperGTS]

Not sure what your point is as there are more white people than black people in the country.

Regardless, the fact that Kaepernick wants increased funding and reform in the police only helps everyone.

I have several white friends that have been treated entirely unfairly by the police at various points.

My point is it isn’t an epidemic that some people want others to believe. There is a police problem, but it it isn’t a racial one. Not anymore at least.

Kap isn’t anyone in my mind. Wearing a Castro shirt, and pig socks really turns me away. He’s a cartoon character and not one that should be taken seriously.

The Castro love in this country by some progressives is bizarre....I like Jill Stein (generally) and Kaep but really ? I wouldn’t have sent anybody to Castro’s funeral if I were Obama. Didn’t Castro have gay people put into concentration camps?

I could educate you a bit on Castro. Castro, Che, anyone who supports those murderous thugs is despicable. People love these clowns because they stand for what they believe is paradise. They don’t have any clue what they are really talking about. They are what I call useful idiots for the progressives. If, by some chance a Castro type took over here and the U.S. was no more, they would be rounded up just like the rest of us.

[truth18]

The Rice case is a bit murky for sure..but not one that is cut and dried. And to be fair, most of those black on black crimes are happening in the inner city areas. I would love to get into a discussion on how to change it, but it is a generational discussion that’s nobody wants to have. It’s too hard, to difficult to understand the problem and in a lot of ways, unwilling to look at ourselves as part of the problem in come circumstances.

I think we need to take the morality out of it - it’s a public health problem.

And if you really want to be horrified, read up on Milton Hall’s shooting. Unequivocal manslaughter, unreasonable use of force, and Eric Holder’s DOJ gave it a pass.

That’s the crux of my argument. I feel like I’m be made to feel like I’m back in 1955 Alabama. That’s my biggest issue.

But you're not. That's on you, man.

You're a good dude, don't let some asshats who happen to share your skin color make you feel like everyone thinks of you that way.

I have tons of issues with various aspects of various "black" cultures in America, doesn't mean everyone who is black is like that.

It's all good.

[ViperGTS]

Not sure what your point is as there are more white people than black people in the country.

Regardless, the fact that Kaepernick wants increased funding and reform in the police only helps everyone.

I have several white friends that have been treated entirely unfairly by the police at various points.

My point is it isn’t an epidemic that some people want others to believe. There is a police problem, but it it isn’t a racial one. Not anymore at least.

Kap isn’t anyone in my mind. Wearing a Castro shirt, and pig socks really turns me away. He’s a cartoon character and not one that should be taken seriously.

Doesn't have to be an epidemic to be an issue.

I can only speak to my personal experience but I very much believe there are various types of serious racial bias in the police that could be fixed with more funding at better training.

We may just disagree, that's fine imo, your opinion doesn't offend me, we just have different takes.

Either way, I think more funding and better training would only help everyone. Racial bias or not.

See your opinion, while I disagree with the premise isn’t to be dismissed out of hand. I believe there are small pockets of racism in a lot of areas/departments. Any training is good training and I could piggy back on that with some ideas of my own.

What I have enjoyed (so far at least with myself) is this conversation seems to be civil and is exactly what needs to happen on a national level.

I appreciate that immensely.

[truth18]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

[ViperGTS]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

It’s not really a race war that I’m worried about. I actually don’t believe that has anything to do with it. It’s about driving us apart. This is just one aspect that is being used. I have so many feeling on the situation and ideas on how to fix them but no one listens. They don’t want to listen. That’s my big problem.

[Froob]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

It’s not really a race war that I’m worried about. I actually don’t believe that has anything to do with it. It’s about driving us apart. This is just one aspect that is being used. I have so many feeling on the situation and ideas on how to fix them but no one listens. They don’t want to listen. That’s my big problem.

There was an article written yesterday that only one side of the anthem issue is worth listening to even when the other side is idiotic how can you be sure if you don’t hear them out?

[Andrew McCeltic]

My point is it isn’t an epidemic that some people want others to believe. There is a police problem, but it it isn’t a racial one. Not anymore at least.

Kap isn’t anyone in my mind. Wearing a Castro shirt, and pig socks really turns me away. He’s a cartoon character and not one that should be taken seriously.

The Castro love in this country by some progressives is bizarre....I like Jill Stein (generally) and Kaep but really ? I wouldn’t have sent anybody to Castro’s funeral if I were Obama. Didn’t Castro have gay people put into concentration camps?

I could educate you a bit on Castro. Castro, Che, anyone who supports those murderous thugs is despicable. People love these clowns because they stand for what they believe is paradise. They don’t have any clue what they are really talking about. They are what I call useful idiots for the progressives. If, by some chance a Castro type took over here and the U.S. was no more, they would be rounded up just like the rest of us.

Yeah, history is complicated but I feel like other liberals don’t always have a great take on Che, Castro, Lenin.. and I have sympathy for Marxist critiques of capitalism, but I don’t want to overthrow the state or behead billionaires - I think the challenge is to get through politics and entrenched interests to find a sustainable and optimal balance.

I think left wing types sometimes build up so much momentum and potential energy in resisting that once the existing power structure starts to bend, they overshoot the runway and go too far, or seem so extreme, that they either defeat themselves or become oppressive in a different way.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

It’s not really a race war that I’m worried about. I actually don’t believe that has anything to do with it. It’s about driving us apart. This is just one aspect that is being used. I have so many feeling on the situation and ideas on how to fix them but no one listens. They don’t want to listen. That’s my big problem.

Well, we got a politics sticky, so.. share them, and we’ll listen and critique them like we would a trade idea.

[truth18]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

It’s not really a race war that I’m worried about. I actually don’t believe that has anything to do with it. It’s about driving us apart. This is just one aspect that is being used. I have so many feeling on the situation and ideas on how to fix them but no one listens. They don’t want to listen. That’s my big problem.

Same.

I consider myself middle left generally and far left socially so many of my friends are hyper liberals who give me **** for suggesting we actually have a calm conversation.

I get that stern language is sometimes needed but the way things are headed no one is even going to be able to hear each other. People need to learn how to carry on a conversation, lol.

****, people here may get on me for that, but it's honestly how I feel.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Rice case is a bit murky for sure..but not one that is cut and dried. And to be fair, most of those black on black crimes are happening in the inner city areas. I would love to get into a discussion on how to change it, but it is a generational discussion that’s nobody wants to have. It’s too hard, to difficult to understand the problem and in a lot of ways, unwilling to look at ourselves as part of the problem in come circumstances.

I think we need to take the morality out of it - it’s a public health problem.

And if you really want to be horrified, read up on Milton Hall’s shooting. Unequivocal manslaughter, unreasonable use of force, and Eric Holder’s DOJ gave it a pass.

Yeah I know there have been shootings by cops that really spin my wheel. In real life, most know me as not the greatest police supporter ever because of this. It is an issue no doubt. However, it’s not worth kneeling for or racist in any way.

That’s the crux of my argument. I feel like I’m be made to feel like I’m back in 1955 Alabama. That’s my biggest issue.

Yeah that’s a fair point re: 1955 stuff. Taking off but I’ll try to respond to it later.

[Froob]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

It’s not really a race war that I’m worried about. I actually don’t believe that has anything to do with it. It’s about driving us apart. This is just one aspect that is being used. I have so many feeling on the situation and ideas on how to fix them but no one listens. They don’t want to listen. That’s my big problem.

Same.

I consider myself middle left generally and far left socially so many of my friends are hyper liberals who give me **** for suggesting we actually have a calm conversation.

I get that stern language is sometimes needed but the way things are headed no one is even going to be able to hear each other. People need to learn how to carry on a conversation, lol.

****, people here may get on me for that, but it's honestly how I feel.

Parties in general are just a bad system. It becomes sports and you must pledge your loyalty to the party 100% and it gets to the point where people just want their party to win and don’t really care about the success of the country. People need to think for themselves and stop getting so attached to parties.

[ViperGTS]

I do agree though Viper that people tend to freak out in an apocalyptic way these days. We have some serious issues, but we aren't headed towards a race war or nuclear apocalypse as many seem to think.

It’s not really a race war that I’m worried about. I actually don’t believe that has anything to do with it. It’s about driving us apart. This is just one aspect that is being used. I have so many feeling on the situation and ideas on how to fix them but no one listens. They don’t want to listen. That’s my big problem.

Same.

I consider myself middle left generally and far left socially so many of my friends are hyper liberals who give me **** for suggesting we actually have a calm conversation.

I get that stern language is sometimes needed but the way things are headed no one is even going to be able to hear each other. People need to learn how to carry on a conversation, lol.

****, people here may get on me for that, but it's honestly how I feel.

I agree. I’m middle right for the most part yet feel like if I’m even a bit right I must be a racist.

Such are the times we live in. Yuck.

[London2Boston]

Americans and the uber patriotism always makes me laugh abit as an outsider. I mean, half of us in England don't even like our national anthem. The only time I ever even acknowledge or sing it is when I'm drunk as **** before an International Football Match.

Hell, a leader of one of our main political parties openly doesn't even sing it and he's currently the most popular politician in the popularity polls

It's not even that we are super liberal or anything as we are far from it, but I suppose we aren't as in your face patriotic for this to have become such a big story here.

It's a **** song as well honestly. America the Beautiful, on the other hand, is a **** banger.

I never understood why this is such a popular opinion lol I think it sounds great (when they don't butcher the ending), I think Canada's sounds far worse. But, I would prefer a song that wasn't about war..there's too much glorifying that as it is. That's what leads to little questioning of tossing more money into Afghanistan with seemingly no strategy or clear goal...instead of healthcare, education, literally anything else hell I'd rather buy gold toilet seats for everyone. But guess that's one for another thread.

Tbf, yours craps all over ours as a song at least. Anyone like me who couldn't really care for the Monarcy just has to half sing along to it

[Parliament10]

It is said, that a safe and civilized society, needs 1 Police Officer for every 200 citizens.
That being true: Shouldn't there be 1 Meta-Police for every 200 Police Officers?

Police organizations should not Police themselves. Just like Citizens shouldn't Police themselves.
We need a complete separate and Independent Federal Agency, to Police, the Police.

Minority Policing presence, should match the Minority percentage of the Criminal Population.
This would include, Judges and other Court personnel, and Corrections Facilities employees.

I think that if these changes were made, that we would see a significant decrease in the current injustices.

The Fact that Athletes have to Stand Up, and Minority-related Groups are Protesting.
Means that the proper people are not doing, what they should.

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[Parliament10]

Memo reinforces rule that NBA players, coaches stand for anthem
Zach Lowe | ESPN Senior Writer | 09-30-17

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20864858/nba-memo-reinforces-rule-players-coaches-stand-national-anthem

The memo, a copy of which was obtained by ESPN, was distributed by deputy commissioner Mark Tatum. It instructs teams that "the league office will determine how to deal with any possible instance in which a player, coach, or trainer does not stand for the anthem."

The memo states that individual teams "do not have the discretion to waive" the rule that players, coaches and staff stand for the anthem. The league has the discretion to discipline players who violate the rule. It is not clear if the league would exercise it in the event of any protest. The league also does not want teams independently disciplining players, sources say, and has encouraged open dialogue within teams.

In the memo, Tatum suggests teams might address the current political climate by having players and coaches give a joint pregame address at their first home games.

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[Parliament10]

Wow.
Big Brother speaks.

[truth18]

What does a joint pregame address even mean?

[Parliament10]

What does a joint pregame address even mean?

It means, Write Down your Protest.
In Triplicate.

[ViperGTS]

What does a joint pregame address even mean?

Probably a player speaking...such as when Jaylen spoke last season. As misguided as some of that message will be...it is definitely worth listening to and doesn’t go right up the tailpipe of those who hold the flag and anthem sacred.

Best of both worlds in other words.

[Parliament10]

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