"A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ The Equality & Other Issues Thread

[truth18]

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Nice, Parl. Gil was an ace poet.

[Parliament10]

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Nice, Parl. Gil was an ace poet.

A Pioneer.

[Captain_Caveman]

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As to California... I really should move to L.A. for career reasons. But while I'm coming around on the city as not horrible, it's unappealing for a whole host of reasons. I'm a wine nut so Santa Barbara appeals. I could just drive down south when I needed to. If I had a choice, I'd probably live in SF. But that's out of the question.

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LA is cool, but maaaaaan, the traffic is just something else. I know many people who have carved out awesome lives there, living and working in places like Silver Lake or Santa Monica/Venice, but it's just not for me. Santa Barbara also a no, but San Luis Obispo is sweet if you don't mind college kids. The Sierra Nevada are pretty awesome, and I am glad that I'm getting a chance to experience them. Currently own a truck and do wilderness ****. When I look back at living in Boston, and miserably riding the Red Line to work in an office with other miserable people in the middle of a miserable winter, I just laugh. Why would anyone live that way? Why did I, for so long?

All in all, despite the flaws and costs of living, I can't really imagine NOT living in California. And if you are within walking distance of a beach, well... you don't really need much else. For my money, the best places to live are not actually the cities, but places near them or smaller cities (Marin/Sonoma counties, Chico, SLO, Tahoe). Anyhow, hit me up if you pull the trigger on it or if you have any questions.

That's the big if here - California that's not within 10 miles of the beach is nothing special. I've lived in Sacramento, OC, LA and the IE, and really only one place didn't mostly suck (Westminster). And I had to move out of there when I wanted to buy a house because property values were so insane (not like Westminster is a beach town either - blue collar ville).

If you make great money, avoid commutes longer than 10 miles and live with 10 miles of the beach, California is great. If not, it feels a lot like Arizona or Nevada only ridiculously overpriced and overcrowded.

Harsh take! I've lived 4 places in CA (SF, Irvine, SD, Sierra Foothills) and Westminster would be a distant 5th there.

Could easily name 30 cities or towns that are good places to live, and there are plenty of little pockets that are not on the coast that are nice spots. Tahoe, Chico, Davis, Nevada City, Auburn, Healdsburg, Quincy, Sonora, Bishop, Mammoth, Palm Springs, Ojai, Dunsmuir, St Helena, Sonoma, etc... Just so many small spots where you can just have this unbelievable, epic natural environment practically all to yourself.

Plus, when we are talking about the "coast" it is practically the equivalent of the entire Eastern Seaboard. We haven't even mentioned places like Santa Cruz, Arcata, Grover Beach, Dana Point, Mendocino, Monterey, Half Moon Bay, South OC/North SD County, or the little pockets of place that lie in close proximity to the major cities (Pasadena, Solana Beach, Palo Alto, Pacifica).

I mean, I understand that there are plenty of suck places too (most of LA, Stockton, El Centro, San Bernadino, Bakersfield, Modesto, most of Sacramento, Lancaster/Palmdale, Fresno), but they are easily avoidable for the most part.

[DK-All Day]

I want to see what the NBA would do if a player took a knee during the anthem.

[Captain_Caveman]

My point is it isn’t an epidemic that some people want others to believe. There is a police problem, but it it isn’t a racial one. Not anymore at least.

Kap isn’t anyone in my mind. Wearing a Castro shirt, and pig socks really turns me away. He’s a cartoon character and not one that should be taken seriously.

The Castro love in this country by some progressives is bizarre....I like Jill Stein (generally) and Kaep but really ? I wouldn’t have sent anybody to Castro’s funeral if I were Obama. Didn’t Castro have gay people put into concentration camps?

I could educate you a bit on Castro. Castro, Che, anyone who supports those murderous thugs is despicable. People love these clowns because they stand for what they believe is paradise. They don’t have any clue what they are really talking about. They are what I call useful idiots for the progressives. If, by some chance a Castro type took over here and the U.S. was no more, they would be rounded up just like the rest of us.

I dunno if I would conflate Che or even communism with Castro's de facto dictatorship. I mean, Russia is ostensibly a democracy right now.

And yeah, policing is verrrrry different among many black and white communities in this country, even regardless of class.

[ermocrate]

God Bless America

God bless who fight for social justice, whatever country is from.

[ermocrate]

I hope the whole kneeling thing doesn't make its way to the nba. It's really a bummer politics is mixing with sports. Also it's bad business.

Sport is part of the politics, politics cover everything regarding men. The only way politics can avoid sports to have teams made of animals or plants.

[ermocrate]

The Castro love in this country by some progressives is bizarre....I like Jill Stein (generally) and Kaep but really ? I wouldn’t have sent anybody to Castro’s funeral if I were Obama. Didn’t Castro have gay people put into concentration camps?

I could educate you a bit on Castro. Castro, Che, anyone who supports those murderous thugs is despicable. People love these clowns because they stand for what they believe is paradise. They don’t have any clue what they are really talking about. They are what I call useful idiots for the progressives. If, by some chance a Castro type took over here and the U.S. was no more, they would be rounded up just like the rest of us.

I dunno if I would conflate Che or even communism with Castro's de facto dictatorship. I mean, Russia is ostensibly a democracy right now.

And yeah, policing is verrrrry different among many black and white communities in this country, even regardless of class.

Fun fact the Castro de facto dictatorship depends, for many aspects, from USA behaviour.

[ermocrate]

Well...2,600 AA murders in 2015 (versus 230 of Caucasians) doesn’t exactly make your third post valid. In fact those numbers are even higher as I have seen the 2016 numbers. It’s a catastrophic problem as inner city youth are being slaughtered wholesale and no one wants to confront that issue. If people turned all their “racists areound every corner” argument to that, maybe..just maybe we could knock that number in half. If not more.

Are you arguing that a skin tone changes people's attitude?

[truth18]

I want to see what the NBA would do if a player took a knee during the anthem.

Same here but I'm guessing that no player takes a knee.

The protest has been going on for a while and no player has done anything. Yes, Trump has turned the protest into something about him and is currently feuding with Curry, but time and time again, NBA players show that they are mainly about their bottom line and perception in the media. It's why Lebron/Melo/CP3 took a stand in a controlled environment a few years back. It's why Jordan said his famous sneakers line.

I can't knock them though. It's their choice, would be cool to see one player do it though, even a scrub.

[Big Baby]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

[Slax]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Dude these protests started during the Obama administration. They were one of the most discussed topics during the 2016 primaries. They're not something brand new that started with Trump.

[ViperGTS]

Well...2,600 AA murders in 2015 (versus 230 of Caucasians) doesn’t exactly make your third post valid. In fact those numbers are even higher as I have seen the 2016 numbers. It’s a catastrophic problem as inner city youth are being slaughtered wholesale and no one wants to confront that issue. If people turned all their “racists areound every corner” argument to that, maybe..just maybe we could knock that number in half. If not more.

Are you arguing that a skin tone changes people's attitude?

No I’m arguing that people want to take the easiest way out. Instead of confronting the real problem, they resurrect a fairly dead issue, insofar as it being a common problem anymore.

The truth gets twisted by a lot of people.

[Big Baby]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Dude these protests started during the Obama administration. They were one of the most discussed topics during the 2016 primaries. They're not something brand new that started with Trump.

"There were about 760 police shooting incidents this year and NINE of them were of unarmed black people."

"We're in a vortex of stupid."

I'm with this Jew:

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This "vortex of stupid" isn't about racism. For white libtards, it's about their hatred of Trump. For blacks, it's about 1) Taking Trump's election as a slap in the face after eight years of Obama and 2) This applies to white libtards as well which is: Shaming blacks who voted for Trump because Trump did receive a lot more blacks and Hospanic votes than they imagined possible. Because you know, white libtards are sooooooo anti-racism lol.

Vortex of stupid indeed.

[ermocrate]

Well...2,600 AA murders in 2015 (versus 230 of Caucasians) doesn’t exactly make your third post valid. In fact those numbers are even higher as I have seen the 2016 numbers. It’s a catastrophic problem as inner city youth are being slaughtered wholesale and no one wants to confront that issue. If people turned all their “racists areound every corner” argument to that, maybe..just maybe we could knock that number in half. If not more.

Are you arguing that a skin tone changes people's attitude?

No I’m arguing that people want to take the easiest way out. Instead of confronting the real problem, they resurrect a fairly dead issue, insofar as it being a common problem anymore.

The truth gets twisted by a lot of people.

Did you know you can be one of those people? Or you think you are the truth holder?

Most of the black men are killed by the black man, most of the white men are killed from white men. Don't you think it's a matter of context?

And how did you explain all the social disparity between the ethnic groups? Black are just lazy don't want to study in college, don't want to work or does this depend on the tan?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Progressives of every race have been drawing attention to all three issues, and they’re a big reason Sanders had so much support in the primaries.

Glad you agree all three of those problems matter, even if you don’t agree with the protests, or see police brutality/abuse of force as a connected or related issue.

[ermocrate]

Where were these people when Obama incarcerated more black people than his 4 predecessors combined?

Where were these people when unemployment rate among young black people was at its highest during Obama's tenure?

Where were these people when hundreds of thousands of black families were being kicked out of their homes because they were hooked, lined and sinked by our financial institutions? Yet Obama and Eric Holder - who are both raking in millions right now from Wall Street and their donors - were telling Americans that they (Wall St) were too big to fail or prosecute, essentially telling America to go "F*ck off! We're above the law and you ain't!"?

Where were these pseudo-intellectual jocks then?

Selective outrage here. It's already backfiring on them. Good!

Is not this movement the determines the idiocy of Trump, his idiocy has it's legs. This is not something again the administration, it's just this administration that it is using the protest to his advantage to polarize the simpathy of a number of categories. It's not hard to understand that.

[Parasite]

Big Baby nails it. Facts don’t care about your feelings. Keep that narrative rolling though!

[ViperGTS]

Are you arguing that a skin tone changes people's attitude?

No I’m arguing that people want to take the easiest way out. Instead of confronting the real problem, they resurrect a fairly dead issue, insofar as it being a common problem anymore.

The truth gets twisted by a lot of people.

Did you know you can be one of those people? Or you think you are the truth holder?

Most of the black men are killed by the black man, most of the white men are killed from white men. Don't you think it's a matter of context?

And how did you explain all the social disparity between the ethnic groups? Black are just lazy don't want to study in college, don't want to work or does this depend on the tan?

I’m not really sure where you are going with this to be honest. Most murders are intra race. The disparity issue is quite hard to describe without hurting feelings on one side or the other. I fully disavow any statement saying any race is lazy. Period. For anyone to think that is beyond my comprehension.

No, a majority of these black on black and minority murders happen in lower income areas. It’s a cycle that some are able to escape while a large minority never even have a chance. This is due to so many factors, but the biggest is the city managers. They, probably for monetary reasons, don’t want to do anything to solve the problem. Again, that’s just a small part.

[Andrew McCeltic]

This "vortex of stupid" isn't about racism. For white libtards, it's about their hatred of Trump. For blacks, it's about 1) Taking Trump's election as a slap in the face after eight years of Obama and 2) This applies to white libtards as well which is: Shaming blacks who voted for Trump because Trump did receive a lot more blacks and Hospanic votes than they imagined possible. Because you know, white libtards are sooooooo anti-racism lol.

Vortex of stupid indeed.

Mods, glad there’s a politics thread - but can we hold it to the regular board standards, too? Like, don’t use insults like “libtards”?

Big, Big Baby, will give my thoughts on what you’re saying here a little later.