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Political Roundtable Part XV

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#961 » by stilldropin20 » Sun Oct 1, 2017 10:58 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:No developed country has ever invoked laws and tax codes to confiscate excessive wealth. Only rogue dictators. So we don't know what would happen if a well informed and educated public voted for officials won campaigned on and the saw these reforms through.


There's probably a reason why no developed country has ever invoked laws and tax codes to confiscate excessive wealth...because no well informed and educated public would ever vote for officials who campaigned on that type of reform.

I'm on board with less capitalism and more socialism in our our laws/policies. A more equitable distribution of wealth/resources is a moral imperative, imo. But I don't believe confiscating people's money (which would probably lead to a civil war) is the answer.


It should not lead to civil unless the wealthy could continue to convince the american people that they should stay poor and the wealthy should stay wealthy. ON second thought. yeah americans will totally continue to buy that.

But if americans finally get woke? it would very likely lead to a world war. not civil. as they will move their wealth to another country, finance that new countries war efforts and propoganda against the US, and come get their money back. So world war? yes. Civil war? maybe. americans just might be that dumb.

either way, thats why you(the US government) should borrow heavily first and build up a massive military. massive! and strap in. If there was ever a war that would be "worth it?" This is the war worth having. At some point, whoever "we"(and I just may have a mouse in my pocket on this one) are fighting against just needs to be educated as to what "we" are fighting for. wealth equality. Cuz aint no wealthy ruling class mofos going to have a rifle in their hand. Poor folk gonna be fighting poor folk. again. Just as we always have. Just so the wealthy can keep their wealth and their power and influence over the poor folk. Always been this way. Hopefully wont always be that way.

286 congressman and the will of about half the american people is all you need.

And I never said confiscate ALL OF THEIR WEALTH. But No individual, no foundation, no family. no one needs over $100 Million. in my plan, you can keep up to $100M. Perhaps more. I say 98% tax on everything over $100M. so one can still be wealthy as ****. $100M is plenty. and large corporation can hold up to $500M. families should be capped at $3-400M as well.

Why do we allow a company like apple to acquire $300 Billion? Why? What is the purpose of having a tax code that allows an american company to be formed around 1977. Make computers and later handhelds which were by and large sold to the american public at profit levels so inappropriately taxed that 40 years later this company has cash reserves at $300Billion ? Am i missing something here? why is this a good thing? Anyone? Does anyone here in this thread actually fully understand how much money that is and how quickly they amassed that absurd amount? Off memory, about 7 years ago they only had about $30 Billion.

And like google and amazon, they've been buying up other corporations up en masse along the way. these guys are NOT sellers. they are global buyers yet still have mass cash reserves.


here's a hint why. we allow them. everyone in this thread who's jaw isn't hanging on the ground by now. everyone who isn't saying to themselves, what the actual fuq!!" You! yes you! You let them have that kind of wealth.

Cuz i've been saying wut dafuq on this stuff for decades. no one wants to hear it. everyone thinks that taxing them hard has to hit mom and pop. It doesn't. mom and pop can still become millionaires just the same. even up to $100Million. and then thats enough. tax it hard after $100M. We can leave indivduals, trusts, and foundations alone with less than 10? 20? 30? 40? Million alone. I dont know where to cut it off. thats clearly open for debate. But there should be a cut off where we the american people say thats too just too much.

its funny. in sports, nearly everyone supports a salary cap. and a draft. bad teams get top picks. and wealthy teams dont get to overspend small markets. otherwise: "its not fair!" whine all the cry babies. But in real life?? :lol: :lol: fuq the poor!! the wealthy get to hoard. the wealthy get to control the narrative with the wealth they were allowed to hoard. the wealthy get to live above the law. the wealthy get to buy off politicians. and we have no real recourse. none. all they have to do is not do it in broad daylight toooooo much. In. broad. effin. daylight. and everyone is A-OK with it. hoard away! then control the narrative via the media that you own!! tell me how its a good and righteous system!! I'll even defend you on REALGM. :lol: :lol:

Never forget this. "Money," and therefore the money supply in this country as it was founded and as the constitution was written, money was never suppose to be anything more than a tool to facilitate the exchange of goods and services.

Not a tool for the wealthy hoard and then to control the narrative, control congress, control the president, control everything. our founding fathers saw this in europe and purposely wanted to avoid that here in the states. yet here we are.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#962 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 12:25 am

montestewart wrote:I think I'm seeing a one-world government at the end of this rainbow.



ok. i gotta few mins to address.

yes one world goverment is exaclty what the wealthy elite ruling class wants. to protect their international wealth. let's say your a massive international central bank that has massive gold reserves in austria, and london, and paris, and Naples and Milan. and some rogue nation comes in and gets all the gold in austria? he can use that gold to further fund himself and invade your Paris reserves as well?

Do we have any history buffs on here? and world war buffs? napoleanic war buffs? I'm kind of a war buff. i read a lot. i watch all the histories etc. So much so that depending on who's history im reading I understand all the nuance being used to invoke me to feel a certain way about any given occurence. Its kind of like watching Aljezeera, CNN and FOX all day long (like i do as well) and just watch both sides spin away. In between all of their spin, you actually find certain truths.

and i keep waiting for someone to tell the actual truth about most wars. No one ever tells the truth in these histories. I say this because they never follow the money. they never follow the oil. they never follow the gold. Never. Not once. it barely gets mentioned. a tad here and a tad there. maybe 20 seconds insert here and there in a 7-8 hour history.

yet wars cost massive amounts of money. Nothing has ever or will ever cost more. ever wonder why they cost so much and we here so little about the money trail? the gold trail? the oil trail? Instead we see and hear about buildings torn apart and hear about the lives that were lost and a story about human suffering while telling us about some "leader" (that almost never holds a rifle in his hand) led some group to victory in any given "battle." But we never hear about the transfer of wealth that occurs? not directly. indirectly the real story is there. the lines get redrawn. the land gets divided. and if you follow gold reserves you see which country end up with massive gold reserves after war compared to pre-war. But ya gotta dig for that story. they dont tell you that story.

Yet Every single crime, robbery, invasion, everything...when the FBI, CIA, and DEA get involved the first thing they begin to do is "follow the money." yet no war "story" follows the money? why not? Now I've done quite a bit of my own research on this (call it a hobby) and i can tell you why they dont tell you about the money trail nor transfers of wealth that occur during and after wars: because they dont want the public to realize how easy it is to just take back the wealth.

and its even easier in congress. the pen can do so much more in a day than what any world war can do in a decade.

But getting back to One-world governement. Thats what they want. One system, one Gov, one military, one everything that they loan money to because they understand no politician has the backbone to make people pay(taxes) for stuff now.

With one world government (aside from a few rogue naitons-ie the bad guy their media tells you all about) their wealth is always safe. Just need a dumb proletariat that allows them to continue to hoard the wealth. central banks everywhere. with a Bank of international settlements to govern disputes between various national central banking systems. (like when one country is at war with another.) opposing (privately owned) central banks are essentially at war with each other. Did you know that the international custom(amongs governements with their central banks) is that the victor of war agrees to pay off the loser's debts to the loser's central bank!!??? is your jaw on the ground yet??? it should be!!!! why would a winner pay off a loser's debts?? Could it be because all of the money is essentially coming from the same place to fund both sides of the conflict?? if not why pay em back?? Unless of course you just raid a neighboring central bank? Or nationalize your own central bank and its gold reserves? then invade the neighboring country?

and of course they want rogue governments too. and by rogue? i mean someone with the balls to stand up to them. and say no! you dont get to own everything. those rogue governments are then squeezed with sanctions. once the money and resources are constricted those "rogue" governments are forced to "use force.' Now we got conflict!!! lots of money to spend during conflict. Sound familiar?? the narrative continues. things get ugly. further the narrative. bad things happen just like they will whenever and where ever you severely constrict the money supply. the one world government(UN and Nato) gets involved. air strikes, zone strikes, boots on the ground. all of which cost massive money which we borrow from the elite ruling class at 5% compounded interest. yay!! the good ol american way!! the wealthy elite ruling then make more money off of wars. that they usually played a major role in creating the conflict by hoarding wealth and constricting the money supply. rinse and repeat. often and forever.

if you seize their wealth you begin to seize their ability to create war propoganda preventing them from pitting us against each other both here at home and abroad with other nations.

get serious about it folks. educate yourselves beyond the narrative they taught you in the books their companies published and their politicians endorsed.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#963 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 3:34 am

so who is ready to learn more???

someone asked about the "money supply" earlier? are you ready to really learn about the money supply?

you say we cant confiscate wealth of the wealthy? who wants to learn how the wealth of everyday americans was indeed confiscated and not via taxes but laws?

anybody care to follow some money trails? Some gold trails?

who wants to learn about all of this and much much more?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#964 » by gtn130 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 1:28 pm

SD20, bro, how many people do you think bother to read your unhinged conspiracy novels?
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Post#965 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 2, 2017 2:00 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:I'm not saying bannon or Trump are the agents for change. I'm saying that they've rallied the base that has the appetite for this kind of change. There is a very very big difference between the two.

So - bait and switch master... Trump has proven to be the GOAT of lying POTUS on issues big and small. He ran on helping the little guy and is literally ripping their hearts out.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#966 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 2, 2017 2:04 pm

DCZards wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:No developed country has ever invoked laws and tax codes to confiscate excessive wealth. Only rogue dictators. So we don't know what would happen if a well informed and educated public voted for officials won campaigned on and the saw these reforms through.

There's probably a reason why no developed country has ever invoked laws and tax codes to confiscate excessive wealth...because no well informed and educated public would ever vote for officials who campaigned on that type of reform.

I'm on board with less capitalism and more socialism in our our laws/policies. A more equitable distribution of wealth/resources is a moral imperative, imo. But I don't believe confiscating people's money (which would probably lead to a civil war) is the answer.

This - we just need our politicians to step-up and actually fix the tax code. There were some well meaning carveouts that boomeranged. We would never have been here if there was a flat tax with no deductions.

And what stilldroppin doesn't get is - when you start confiscating wealth - the same good intensions that came from the well meaning deductions will boomerang.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#967 » by cammac » Mon Oct 2, 2017 2:09 pm

My condolence to the people in Las Vegas who were brutally murdered and injured by this unhinged man. But with the inane gun laws in the USA things like this are perpetuated yearly. Right now Congress is trying to pass a law making buying silencers and armor piercing rounds easy plus carry permits from one State to be legal across the USA.The NRA will undoubtedly come up with some crap about if the people in the concert were armed it wouldn't happen.

I'm not against guns for hunting or for target shooting but the availability of guns of mass destruction continues to grow. I know I would be calling my Congressman, Senator and State officials.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#968 » by bsilver » Mon Oct 2, 2017 3:38 pm

cammac wrote:My condolence to the people in Las Vegas who were brutally murdered and injured by this unhinged man. But with the inane gun laws in the USA things like this are perpetuated yearly. Right now Congress is trying to pass a law making buying silencers and armor piercing rounds easy plus carry permits from one State to be legal across the USA.The NRA will undoubtedly come up with some crap about if the people in the concert were armed it wouldn't happen.

I'm not against guns for hunting or for target shooting but the availability of guns of mass destruction continues to grow. I know I would be calling my Congressman, Senator and State officials.

Nothing is going to change with the current government in power. If anything, the laws will get looser, as congress now seeks to loosen laws on silencers.

With so much fire power already out there, you have to wonder if it would make any difference if gun laws were changed. Already about 300 million guns in the US, and there are estimates as high as 660 million.

Is there some tipping point we could reach where the situation gets so bad, that a solid majority would advocate for change? In the current environment, probably not.
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Post#969 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 3:48 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:I'm not saying bannon or Trump are the agents for change. I'm saying that they've rallied the base that has the appetite for this kind of change. There is a very very big difference between the two.

So - bait and switch master... Trump has proven to be the GOAT of lying POTUS on issues big and small. He ran on helping the little guy and is literally ripping their hearts out.


its not about bait and switch. its about educating that existing trump/bannon base. that base is the most loyal voters in the USA. they are the "ready now" (team) to win. they just need to be educated better on the issues. and by ready now, i mean educated enough to understand a narrative, smart enough to see through blatant lies, stable enough to make time to get out the vote, organized enough to make sure they can accomplish any new voting obstacles.

so if we ever want "radical" change. by radical i mean change that actually makes a difference. this (trump/bannon) base will need to be a part of that message. you need them. without them you aren't getting anything done. so you have got to speak to them.

trump and bannon has them listening. they are awake right now. and this base wants the country back. for all americans. they want wealth equality (which is the true beginning to race equality), they want to be able to protect themselves and the country to be safe, they want better trade deals, they want opportunity for their children.

the divide is mostly identity politics. we need to get "identity politics" out of politics and understand that this is a country of "haves" and "have nots." poor people: black, brown, and white as well as the middle class are all in this together. get color and race out of it. its designed to pit poor people against each other. learn to educate each other. learn to love each other. learn to support each other all races. we are the 99%. we need to stand together. stop letting them use race to pit us against each other.

my heart goes out to all the victims in las vegas as well. but guns are not the problem. people are the problem. get united people. the pen in congress is 10 million times stronger than the gun. equality can only be achieved if we get united.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#970 » by bsilver » Mon Oct 2, 2017 3:52 pm

gtn130 wrote:SD20, bro, how many people do you think bother to read your unhinged conspiracy novels?

Is there anything that can be done about this?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#971 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 3:54 pm

bsilver wrote:
cammac wrote:My condolence to the people in Las Vegas who were brutally murdered and injured by this unhinged man. But with the inane gun laws in the USA things like this are perpetuated yearly. Right now Congress is trying to pass a law making buying silencers and armor piercing rounds easy plus carry permits from one State to be legal across the USA.The NRA will undoubtedly come up with some crap about if the people in the concert were armed it wouldn't happen.

I'm not against guns for hunting or for target shooting but the availability of guns of mass destruction continues to grow. I know I would be calling my Congressman, Senator and State officials.

Nothing is going to change with the current government in power. If anything, the laws will get looser, as congress now seeks to loosen laws on silencers.

With so much fire power already out there, you have to wonder if it would make any difference if gun laws were changed. Already about 300 million guns in the US, and there are estimates as high as 660 million.

Is there some tipping point we could reach where the situation gets so bad, that a solid majority would advocate for change? In the current environment, probably not.


imagine if a guy with a gun was in the room next to this maniac? If it was me, i would have died trying to take him out. same goes for any nut case i see shooting up a crowd. I'm taking that maniac out. we need more americans like me armed and ready to defend a free and open society. americans need to get united and protect each other from terrorism. and this is terrorism no matter who is responsible.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#972 » by cammac » Mon Oct 2, 2017 3:59 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
bsilver wrote:
cammac wrote:My condolence to the people in Las Vegas who were brutally murdered and injured by this unhinged man. But with the inane gun laws in the USA things like this are perpetuated yearly. Right now Congress is trying to pass a law making buying silencers and armor piercing rounds easy plus carry permits from one State to be legal across the USA.The NRA will undoubtedly come up with some crap about if the people in the concert were armed it wouldn't happen.

I'm not against guns for hunting or for target shooting but the availability of guns of mass destruction continues to grow. I know I would be calling my Congressman, Senator and State officials.

Nothing is going to change with the current government in power. If anything, the laws will get looser, as congress now seeks to loosen laws on silencers.

With so much fire power already out there, you have to wonder if it would make any difference if gun laws were changed. Already about 300 million guns in the US, and there are estimates as high as 660 million.

Is there some tipping point we could reach where the situation gets so bad, that a solid majority would advocate for change? In the current environment, probably not.


imagine if a guy with a gun was in the room next to this maniac? If it was me, i would have died trying to take him out. same goes for any nut case i see shooting up a crowd. I'm taking that maniac out. we need more americans like me armed and ready to defend a free and open society. americans need to get united and protect each other from terrorism. and this is terrorism no matter who is responsible.


Praise the NRA!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Much of violence in Chicago is the loose gun laws in Indiana. Gun violence is up slightly in Canada by guns illegally smuggled into Canada and a much worse problem in Mexico the cartels being armed from USA.
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Post#973 » by Wizardspride » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:13 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:I'm not saying bannon or Trump are the agents for change. I'm saying that they've rallied the base that has the appetite for this kind of change. There is a very very big difference between the two.

So - bait and switch master... Trump has proven to be the GOAT of lying POTUS on issues big and small. He ran on helping the little guy and is literally ripping their hearts out.


its not about bait and switch. its about educating that existing trump/bannon base. that base is the most loyal voters in the USA. they are the "ready now" (team) to win. they just need to be educated better on the issues. and by ready now, i mean educated enough to understand a narrative, smart enough to see through blatant lies, stable enough to make time to get out the vote, organized enough to make sure they can accomplish any new voting obstacles.

so if we ever want "radical" change. by radical i mean change that actually makes a difference. this (trump/bannon) base will need to be a part of that message. you need them. without them you aren't getting anything done. so you have got to speak to them.

trump and bannon has them listening. they are awake right now. and this base wants the country back. for all americans. they want wealth equality (which is the true beginning to race equality), they want to be able to protect themselves and the country to be safe, they want better trade deals, they want opportunity for their children.

the divide is mostly identity politics. we need to get "identity politics" out of politics and understand that this is a country of "haves" and "have nots." poor people: black, brown, and white as well as the middle class are all in this together. get color and race out of it. its designed to pit poor people against each other. learn to educate each other. learn to love each other. learn to support each other all races. we are the 99%. we need to stand together. stop letting them use race to pit us against each other.

my heart goes out to all the victims in las vegas as well. but guns are not the problem. people are the problem. get united people. the pen in congress is 10 million times stronger than the gun. equality can only be achieved if we get united.

What have you seen from the Trump/Bannon base that indicates they're about "all Americans"?

Educate me.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#974 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:18 pm

cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
bsilver wrote:Nothing is going to change with the current government in power. If anything, the laws will get looser, as congress now seeks to loosen laws on silencers.

With so much fire power already out there, you have to wonder if it would make any difference if gun laws were changed. Already about 300 million guns in the US, and there are estimates as high as 660 million.

Is there some tipping point we could reach where the situation gets so bad, that a solid majority would advocate for change? In the current environment, probably not.


imagine if a guy with a gun was in the room next to this maniac? If it was me, i would have died trying to take him out. same goes for any nut case i see shooting up a crowd. I'm taking that maniac out. we need more americans like me armed and ready to defend a free and open society. americans need to get united and protect each other from terrorism. and this is terrorism no matter who is responsible.


Praise the NRA!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Much of violence in Chicago is the loose gun laws in Indiana. Gun violence is up slightly in Canada by guns illegally smuggled into Canada and a much worse problem in Mexico the cartels being armed from USA.


i live in chicago. blocks from englewood where nearly 50% of these shootings occur. I have over 4000 police officers as patients. we discuss this daily. Daily. as in every single day. Bottom line: you could not be any more wrong!! chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the union. there are 300 million guns already in circulation. people that want guns tom commit crime will get guns. if we magically took all the guns away they will find other weapons.

the answer is for the everyday citizen that obeys laws to also be armed. legally armed. and laws on their side to protect them from protecting themselves. then for americans to get used to protecting themselves. the police can NOT be everywhere. its not physically possible.

the solutions are :

1. legal conceal and carry with well trained individuals. arduous training.
2. Laws that allow those with conceal and carry to then protect themeselves.
3. cameras everywhere to make sure these same americans understand their actions will be on film and reviewed to minimize overzealous vigilante justice.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#975 » by cammac » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:21 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
imagine if a guy with a gun was in the room next to this maniac? If it was me, i would have died trying to take him out. same goes for any nut case i see shooting up a crowd. I'm taking that maniac out. we need more americans like me armed and ready to defend a free and open society. americans need to get united and protect each other from terrorism. and this is terrorism no matter who is responsible.


Praise the NRA!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Much of violence in Chicago is the loose gun laws in Indiana. Gun violence is up slightly in Canada by guns illegally smuggled into Canada and a much worse problem in Mexico the cartels being armed from USA.


i live in chicago. blocks from englewood where nearly 50% of these shootings occur. I have over 4000 police officers as patients. we discuss this daily. Daily. as in every single day. Bottom line: you could not be any more wrong!! chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the union. there are 300 million guns already in circulation. people that want guns tom commit crime will get guns. if we magically took all the guns away they will find other weapons.

the answer is for the everyday citizen that obeys laws to also be armed. legally armed. and laws on their side to protect them from protecting themselves. then for americans to get used to protecting themselves. the police can NOT be everywhere. its not physically possible.

the solutions are :

1. legal conceal and carry with well trained individuals. arduous training.
2. Laws that allow those with conceal and carry to then protect themeselves.
3. cameras everywhere to make sure these same americans understand their actions will be on film and reviewed to minimize overzealous vigilante justice.


So full of CRAP
You are on the lunatic fringe of American citizens.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#976 » by montestewart » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:29 pm

bsilver wrote:
gtn130 wrote:SD20, bro, how many people do you think bother to read your unhinged conspiracy novels?

Is there anything that can be done about this?

As Pine would say, the ignore function is your friend. Maybe people can stop quoting in response, so very little slips through. Personally, I still enjoy following someone who sees 15,000 patients per year, 1.7 per hour, 24/7/365. Hundreds of thousands of teeth!
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Post#977 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:29 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:So - bait and switch master... Trump has proven to be the GOAT of lying POTUS on issues big and small. He ran on helping the little guy and is literally ripping their hearts out.


its not about bait and switch. its about educating that existing trump/bannon base. that base is the most loyal voters in the USA. they are the "ready now" (team) to win. they just need to be educated better on the issues. and by ready now, i mean educated enough to understand a narrative, smart enough to see through blatant lies, stable enough to make time to get out the vote, organized enough to make sure they can accomplish any new voting obstacles.

so if we ever want "radical" change. by radical i mean change that actually makes a difference. this (trump/bannon) base will need to be a part of that message. you need them. without them you aren't getting anything done. so you have got to speak to them.

trump and bannon has them listening. they are awake right now. and this base wants the country back. for all americans. they want wealth equality (which is the true beginning to race equality), they want to be able to protect themselves and the country to be safe, they want better trade deals, they want opportunity for their children.

the divide is mostly identity politics. we need to get "identity politics" out of politics and understand that this is a country of "haves" and "have nots." poor people: black, brown, and white as well as the middle class are all in this together. get color and race out of it. its designed to pit poor people against each other. learn to educate each other. learn to love each other. learn to support each other all races. we are the 99%. we need to stand together. stop letting them use race to pit us against each other.

my heart goes out to all the victims in las vegas as well. but guns are not the problem. people are the problem. get united people. the pen in congress is 10 million times stronger than the gun. equality can only be achieved if we get united.

What have you seen from the Trump/Bannon base that indicates they're about "all Americans"?

Educate me.


not much. But its not about me educating you. its about you and I educating them. keep in mind, at my core I want wealth redistribution and therefore equality first and foremost. Thats very far left. true wealth equality is the core of true race equality imo. the poor folks have been miseducated. misinformed. and pitted against each other for so long and when the money supply dries up they fight over the scraps remaining imo. wealth inequality is the deeper issue on race inequality imo. everyone (white black and brown) needs to be more informed on these issues. so as to unite us.

we need unity. not pointing of fingers. and if you have you point fingers you afe just keeping the divide strong. stop pointing fingers at those who have been mis/disinformed. let's educate each other. lets stand up for each other. let's unite.

we all want a free and open society. we all want equality. many americans are dumb. its a fact. they need to be educated so we can then be further united.

we face many evils in this world as americans, foreign and domestic, known and unknown.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#978 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:34 pm

cammac wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
cammac wrote:
Praise the NRA!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Much of violence in Chicago is the loose gun laws in Indiana. Gun violence is up slightly in Canada by guns illegally smuggled into Canada and a much worse problem in Mexico the cartels being armed from USA.


i live in chicago. blocks from englewood where nearly 50% of these shootings occur. I have over 4000 police officers as patients. we discuss this daily. Daily. as in every single day. Bottom line: you could not be any more wrong!! chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the union. there are 300 million guns already in circulation. people that want guns tom commit crime will get guns. if we magically took all the guns away they will find other weapons.

the answer is for the everyday citizen that obeys laws to also be armed. legally armed. and laws on their side to protect them from protecting themselves. then for americans to get used to protecting themselves. the police can NOT be everywhere. its not physically possible.

the solutions are :

1. legal conceal and carry with well trained individuals. arduous training.
2. Laws that allow those with conceal and carry to then protect themeselves.
3. cameras everywhere to make sure these same americans understand their actions will be on film and reviewed to minimize overzealous vigilante justice.


So full of CRAP
You are on the lunatic fringe of American citizens.


which makes me the most sane. i know you dont understand that. yet. maybe you never will. #getwoke
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#979 » by DCZards » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:42 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:we all want a free and open society. we all want equality. many americans are dumb. its a fact. they need to be educated so we can then be further united.

we face many evils in this world as americans, foreign and domestic, known and unknown.


I agree that "many Americans are dumb," especially those who supported Trump and believe that his policies are the right medicine for what ails America. You apparently count yourself among that group.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XV 

Post#980 » by DCZards » Mon Oct 2, 2017 4:45 pm

montestewart wrote:
bsilver wrote:
gtn130 wrote:SD20, bro, how many people do you think bother to read your unhinged conspiracy novels?

Is there anything that can be done about this?

As Pine would say, the ignore function is your friend. Maybe people can stop quoting in response, so very little slips through. Personally, I still enjoy following a someone who sees 15,000 patients per year, 1.7 per hour, 24/7/365. Hundreds of thousands of teeth!


And SD20 does all that while simultaneously writing and posting long messages on this board pretty much 24/7. Talk about multitasking!

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