Political Roundtable Part XV

[cammac]

we all want a free and open society. we all want equality. many americans are dumb. its a fact. they need to be educated so we can then be further united.

we face many evils in this world as americans, foreign and domestic, known and unknown.

I agree that "many Americans are dumb," especially those who supported Trump and believe that his policies are the right medicine for what ails America. You apparently count yourself among that group.

While Trump came on about Las Vegas as he should he has still been basically silent about Puerto Rico which is a cluster F--k. Both hurricanes paths were well known. Canada sent a Frigate to the Turks & Caicos before Irma hit from Halifax was there day after hurricane hit giving aid and water to the Islands. They had to pull away because of Maria but returned 1st to Dominica and then again to Turks and Caico's. The Brits have the British Virgin Island in much better shape than the USA Virgin Islands. The Atlantic is a big ocean but seems others can cross and give aid. Trump still believes in the Pinto and Santa Maria speed.

[stilldropin20]

Is there anything that can be done about this?

As Pine would say, the ignore function is your friend. Maybe people can stop quoting in response, so very little slips through. Personally, I still enjoy following a someone who sees 15,000 patients per year, 1.7 per hour, 24/7/365. Hundreds of thousands of teeth!

And SD20 does all that while simultaneously writing and posting long messages on this board pretty much 24/7. Talk about multitasking!

there is this thing called "staff," ya know. you think im running around answering phones, wiping down rooms, sterilizing instruments too? lol. i gotta say. 16 years ago i did run around like that. as mom n pop as we are, we did learn a few things about efficiency along the way.

geez guys. 58 americans just died.

[dckingsfan]

I'm not saying bannon or Trump are the agents for change. I'm saying that they've rallied the base that has the appetite for this kind of change. There is a very very big difference between the two.

So - bait and switch master... Trump has proven to be the GOAT of lying POTUS on issues big and small. He ran on helping the little guy and is literally ripping their hearts out.

its not about bait and switch....

Bait and Switch is absolutely the foundation of the argument - and one that you should consider.

It is also why the Rs/Trump will get decimated in the mid-terms - no need to respond to this - it is rhetorical - we can revisit after the mid-terms.

[dckingsfan]

My condolence to the people in Las Vegas who were brutally murdered and injured by this unhinged man. But with the inane gun laws in the USA things like this are perpetuated yearly. Right now Congress is trying to pass a law making buying silencers and armor piercing rounds easy plus carry permits from one State to be legal across the USA.The NRA will undoubtedly come up with some crap about if the people in the concert were armed it wouldn't happen.

I'm not against guns for hunting or for target shooting but the availability of guns of mass destruction continues to grow. I know I would be calling my Congressman, Senator and State officials.

Nothing is going to change with the current government in power. If anything, the laws will get looser, as congress now seeks to loosen laws on silencers.

With so much fire power already out there, you have to wonder if it would make any difference if gun laws were changed. Already about 300 million guns in the US, and there are estimates as high as 660 million.

Is there some tipping point we could reach where the situation gets so bad, that a solid majority would advocate for change? In the current environment, probably not.

I have to believe your estimate of 600M+ guns is more accurate. And I don't know what it will take for a solid majority to change the paradigm.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't think gun laws change much of anything at this point, but you have to start somewhere. This isn't an overnight fix at this point and anyone who claims to be looking for such is either just plain wrong or trying to play someone for a fool. The longer stricter gun laws take, the longer it will take to clean up the mess in the future. I mean, you don't have to enact littering laws, and littering laws don't stop all littering, but if you allow littering, garbage generally tends to pile up more and more unless you're willing to pay an increasingly steeper price to clean it up over time. It sucks, too, because it's incredibly sad to watch the increasingly steeper price get paid every time.

[dobrojim]

which right ring whack job will be the first to deny this happened and say it was a conspiracy?

Roy Moore or Alex Jones?

[Ruzious]

I don't think gun laws change much of anything at this point, but you have to start somewhere. This isn't an overnight fix at this point and anyone who claims to be looking for such is either just plain wrong or trying to play someone for a fool. The longer stricter gun laws take, the longer it will take to clean up the mess in the future. I mean, you don't have to enact littering laws, and littering laws don't stop all littering, but if you allow littering, garbage generally tends to pile up more and more unless you're willing to pay an increasingly steeper price to clean it up over time. It sucks, too, because it's incredibly sad to watch the increasingly steeper price get paid every time.

The time elapsed from the first shot to the shooter killing himself: 5 minutes. 5 minutes to kill at least 58 and injure 500 more. I don't think our forefathers envisioned one 64 year old person being able to do that.

[montestewart]

which right ring whack job will be the first to deny this happened and say it was a conspiracy?

Roy Moore or Alex Jones?

Has anyone ever seen Roy Moore and Alex Jones in the same room together? Makes you think.

[closg00]

which right ring whack job will be the first to deny this happened and say it was a conspiracy?

Roy Moore or Alex Jones?

You should have heard the calls into C-Span this morning, people claiming and believing that Sandyhook did not happen.

[payitforward]

and this aint no different that your voter fraud cry baby antic. get serious about true 100% voter reformation and give me a call. I'll be the first to agree. two forms of state issued ID's, 2 forms of proof of residency via utilty bill, and a thumb print to back it all up. Do that and I'm in.

Libs are so funny, swim around in their go nowhere sand traps they think are swimming pools. call me when you get radical.

Trump 2020!!! drain the swamp! America first! bring back jobs! and yada yada yada. he's going to win again. I bring the kleenex back in 2020. I'm out!

These are unreasonable requirements that would suppress and discourage voting at a time when we should be trying to increase voter turnout. One obvious problem is that many eligible voters, like my 19 year old daughter who lives with me, would not have a utility bill in their name. The same is true for people who rent and don’t pay utilities.

I don’t believe voter fraud is a significant problem. What’s wrong with simply requiring a single government-issued ID?

Zards, "I don't believe voter fraud is a significant problem" is not nearly a strong enough statement. No one has demonstrated -- or, to my knowledge, even delivered evidence worth a second look -- any significant voter fraud in this country.

The reason it's being raised as an issue is precisely in order to gin up some ways to hold down voting by black & other low-income (but especially black) citizens.

Moreover, in his usual whacked out way, stilldripin20 has proposed something both utterly impossible -- & also extremely dangerous if it were possible. For starters, there is no data bank of thumbprints, you fool! How would you use thumbprints for ID.

Moreover, there is an extremely strong sentiment in this country against a big brother government that has that much visibility into who you are. We don't even allow a national ID card -- of any kind! -- but you think it'd be possible to create a national databank of thumbprints? Or desirable, for that matter.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The last person one might expect -- 64 year old white male. Well that's not true the advanced age is the last thing one would expect.

As tragic as this is it would have been even worse had it been a Muslim or a black man or an Arab.

About the only thing I can say is there is a need to try to limit the number of automatic weapons.



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[stilldropin20]

"Listen it don't really matter to me, baby everybody has had to fight to be free."


"But you don't have to live like a refugee"

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[stilldropin20]

Im all for automatic weapons of the streets. And limit semi to cartridges of no more than 9-11 shells. Don't need anything more than that to protect yourself.

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[bsilver]

SD20, bro, how many people do you think bother to read your unhinged conspiracy novels?

Is there anything that can be done about this?

As Pine would say, the ignore function is your friend. Maybe people can stop quoting in response, so very little slips through. Personally, I still enjoy following someone who sees 15,000 patients per year, 1.7 per hour, 24/7/365. Hundreds of thousands of teeth!

Following Wilt Chamberlain would have been a lot more interesting, "If Wilt started at the age of 15, from then up to the age of 55 (when his book was published) he would have had 40 years to sleep with 20,000 women, or 500 different women a year-easy math. That works out to roughly 1.4 women a day."

If I had to look at that many patients/teeth I would have gone off the deep end too.

[Ruzious]

"Listen it don't really matter to me, baby everybody has had to fight to be free."


"But you don't have to live like a refugee"

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I'm freefalling - love Tom Petty.

[Ruzious]

The last person one might expect -- 64 year old white male. Well that's not true the advanced age is the last thing one would expect.

As bad as this tragedy is it would have been even worse had it been a Muslim or a black man or an Arab.

About the only thing I can say is there is a need to try to limit the number of automatic weapons.



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33,000 people die per year from guns, but we're more worried about Muslims than we are about guns. Makes sense?

[cammac]

and this aint no different that your voter fraud cry baby antic. get serious about true 100% voter reformation and give me a call. I'll be the first to agree. two forms of state issued ID's, 2 forms of proof of residency via utilty bill, and a thumb print to back it all up. Do that and I'm in.

Libs are so funny, swim around in their go nowhere sand traps they think are swimming pools. call me when you get radical.

Trump 2020!!! drain the swamp! America first! bring back jobs! and yada yada yada. he's going to win again. I bring the kleenex back in 2020. I'm out!

These are unreasonable requirements that would suppress and discourage voting at a time when we should be trying to increase voter turnout. One obvious problem is that many eligible voters, like my 19 year old daughter who lives with me, would not have a utility bill in their name. The same is true for people who rent and don’t pay utilities.

I don’t believe voter fraud is a significant problem. What’s wrong with simply requiring a single government-issued ID?

Zards, "I don't believe voter fraud is a significant problem" is not nearly a strong enough statement. No one has demonstrated -- or, to my knowledge, even delivered evidence worth a second look -- any significant voter fraud in this country.

The reason it's being raised as an issue is precisely in order to gin up some ways to hold down voting by black & other low-income (but especially black) citizens.

Moreover, in his usual whacked out way, stilldripin20 has proposed something both utterly impossible -- & also extremely dangerous if it were possible. For starters, there is no data bank of thumbprints, you fool! How would you use thumbprints for ID.

Moreover, there is an extremely strong sentiment in this country against a big brother government that has that much visibility into who you are. We don't even allow a national ID card -- of any kind! -- but you think it'd be possible to create a national databank of thumbprints? Or desirable, for that matter.

Most countries want to increase voter participation and realize that many people don't have some types of identification especially older people on limited incomes or new voters especially students. In Canada they used to do enumeration a team would go door to door and register people it worked well in getting people who could be missed. Today it is a little simpler almost 100% of people have Provincial health cards and can be used for identification. But even a little old lady who came in with a older health card without photo ID would be allowed to vote. I would think the same could be done with medicare cards. Yes some people who are not citizens could vote but think the majority of people are honest.

[dckingsfan]

The last person one might expect -- 64 year old white male. Well that's not true the advanced age is the last thing one would expect.

As bad as this tragedy is it would have been even worse had it been a Muslim or a black man or an Arab.

About the only thing I can say is there is a need to try to limit the number of automatic weapons.

33,000 people die per year from guns, but we're more worried about Muslims than we are about guns. Makes sense?

Perfectly, for 2016. 30+K driving deaths, 60+K opioid, gun deaths 30K+ (includes suicides ~20K), 40K+ Suicides.

vs. 54 Muslim terrorist cause fatalities on US soil.

But, it is a hot button to get elected...

[Wizardspride]

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[CobraCommander]

The last person one might expect -- 64 year old white male. Well that's not true the advanced age is the last thing one would expect.

As bad as this tragedy is it would have been even worse had it been a Muslim or a black man or an Arab.

About the only thing I can say is there is a need to try to limit the number of automatic weapons.

33,000 people die per year from guns, but we're more worried about Muslims than we are about guns. Makes sense?

Perfectly, for 2016. 30+K driving deaths, 60+K opioid, gun deaths 30K+ (includes suicides ~20K), 40K+ Suicides.

vs. 54 Muslim terrorist cause fatalities on US soil.

But, it is a hot button to get elected...

I'm generally a pro-guns rights guy...but

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

We can act like people own guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government....but a lot of the NRA "marketing" is targeted at people protecting themselves against people that look like most of americas athletes. The truth is this...if you die by gun fire it will be at the hands of someone that looks like you...specifically black people get shot by black people and white people get shot by white people. But the other fact is this...our freedoms make mass shootings more likely.. and once again the person most people are NOT afraid of KILLED a ton of people and we will look for mental illness....but if he was Brown or Muslim you can bet the narrative today would be different. Trump would be closing the border....and the alt right would be saying I TOLD YOU...when no one from the alt right gets shot in Chicago or know a Muslim but they buy guns and swear its to protect themselves from Mike Brown and Malik Abdul

Should we change the gun laws??? Would it have mattered???


Btw...they said what???? Bannon wow really
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/10/02/no-evidence-islamic-state-claims-responsibility-las-vegas-shooting/
Btw...