Political Roundtable Part XV

[Ruzious]

His tax bill will throw our budget way out of whack... for years to come.

[Ruzious]

I don't know if anyone's watching Trump's press conference but he LITERALLY fishing for compliments and praise.

Speechless...

The man is the biggest attention W---e ever. A totally dispicable man.

It's like Eddie Haskel grew up to be President and is trying to show Mr and Mrs Clever were wrong about him.

[cammac]

A comment made by Senator Ron Johnson R. at a high school assembly when a student asked

Is Health care a right

So he answered the young woman: “I think it’s probably more of a privilege. Do you consider food a right? Do you consider clothing a right? Do you consider shelter a right? What we have as rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have the right to freedom. Past that point, everything else is a limited resource that we have to use our opportunities given to us so that we can afford those things.

God Love America

[Kanyewest]

Given the higher suicide rates, opioid addiction, and mass shootings, there needs to be more investment in mental health services or not to make it a taboo to seek help. Of course, taking away guns would help. Both seem unlikely to be supported by the Republican party.

[Zonkerbl]

A comment made by Senator Ron Johnson R. at a high school assembly when a student asked

Is Health care a right

So he answered the young woman: “I think it’s probably more of a privilege. Do you consider food a right? Do you consider clothing a right? Do you consider shelter a right? What we have as rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have the right to freedom. Past that point, everything else is a limited resource that we have to use our opportunities given to us so that we can afford those things.

God Love America

It's not a right guaranteed in the Constitution. But in a country as wealthy as this, where we could TOTALLY afford to give everyone healthcare if we so decided, I don't know what to call it. What do you call selfishness that is so strong it can be classified as a mental health disease? Sociopathy?

[stilldropin20]

Man, all the fauzrage over small ball nonsense. Just to get a "gotchya"

And none of you really give a rat's ass about the wealth divide!!

"How can we tax them!!!" How dare we!!! Even consider it!!!

Trump showed up 5 days late!!puerto Rico has been broke for decades. Infrastucture rotting away!!! Uh oh!! Hurricane hits!! Lets build em a new island." N 1/4 my family is from the damn island before any of you even says a word"

Gotya!! Tho!! Gotya!!! Over here!! Gotya!! Over there!! Gotya!!!

You guys even think that we don't have the resources? Thad the United States is broke??

Any if you think that we are actually beyond broke? As in 20 trillion in debt??

Yall silly man. I'm glad I can move the eff out after YOU run this place into oblivion.

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[dckingsfan]

And none of you really give a rat's ass about the wealth divide!!

Not true and saying it over and over won't make it true. Your solution is worse than the problem - you can come up with something better. Keep thinking...

[dckingsfan]

A comment made by Senator Ron Johnson R. at a high school assembly when a student asked

Is Health care a right

So he answered the young woman: “I think it’s probably more of a privilege. Do you consider food a right? Do you consider clothing a right? Do you consider shelter a right? What we have as rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have the right to freedom. Past that point, everything else is a limited resource that we have to use our opportunities given to us so that we can afford those things.

God Love America

It's not a right guaranteed in the Constitution. But in a country as wealthy as this, where we could TOTALLY afford to give everyone healthcare if we so decided, I don't know what to call it. What do you call selfishness that is so strong it can be classified as a mental health disease? Sociopathy?

Actually, I am with Senator Johnson on this... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the inalienable rights. With healthcare there is a cost - someone has to pay for the service and someone has to render the service. I don't think that can be an inalienable right - right?

When you say healthcare, social security, education, etc. are rights, you go down a very slippery slope. For healthcare for example, what level of coverage is a right? Who determines what level is a right. I could do the same for SS and education.

So, it needs another definition. One that I think you are trying to get to Zonk - something along best allocation of resources to our population from our government.

[Ruzious]

Man, all the fauzrage over small ball nonsense. Just to get a "gotchya"

And none of you really give a rat's ass about the wealth divide!!

"How can we tax them!!!" How dare we!!! Even consider it!!!

Trump showed up 5 days late!!puerto Rico has been broke for decades. Infrastucture rotting away!!! Uh oh!! Hurricane hits!! Lets build em a new island." N 1/4 my family is from the damn island before any of you even says a word"

Gotya!! Tho!! Gotya!!! Over here!! Gotya!! Over there!! Gotya!!!

You guys even think that we don't have the resources? Thad the United States is broke??

Any if you think that we are actually beyond broke? As in 20 trillion in debt??

Yall silly man. I'm glad I can move the eff out after YOU run this place into oblivion.

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Sorry I don't have time - I've been working 15 hours a day for the last month, and now I have to do more. Bottom line - you've done a good job of identifying problems, but your solutions to almost every one is either overly simplistic or far worse than the problems. My suggestion - work with what's there and improve it - rather than break everything and then try to build from scratch and then finding what you built is SD20's Monster named Frank. See Republican healthcare plans.

[DCZards]

Actually, I am with Senator Johnson on this... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the inalienable rights. With healthcare there is a cost - someone has to pay for the service and someone has to render the service. I don't think that can be an inalienable right - right?

When you say healthcare, social security, education, etc. are rights, you go down a very slippery slope. For healthcare for example, what level of coverage is a right? Who determines what level is a right. I could do the same for SS and education.

So, it needs another definition. One that I think you are trying to get to Zonk - something along best allocation of resources to our population from our government.

I agree that healthcare is not a "right" as defined in the nation's laws and constitution. But I believe we are "our brother's keeper" and, imo, it's "morally right" to provide universal healthcare coverage. The same is true about social security (in order to take care of the elderly, disabled, etc.) and public education (as a tool for helping to ensure educational/opportunity equity). Those are the programs that I want to see my tax dollars spent on. That's why I support those candidates who embrace those priorities.

Calling healthcare "a privilege" is about as elitist/selfish as it gets.

[verbal8]

A comment made by Senator Ron Johnson R. at a high school assembly when a student asked

Is Health care a right

So he answered the young woman: “I think it’s probably more of a privilege. Do you consider food a right? Do you consider clothing a right? Do you consider shelter a right? What we have as rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have the right to freedom. Past that point, everything else is a limited resource that we have to use our opportunities given to us so that we can afford those things.

God Love America

It's not a right guaranteed in the Constitution. But in a country as wealthy as this, where we could TOTALLY afford to give everyone healthcare if we so decided, I don't know what to call it. What do you call selfishness that is so strong it can be classified as a mental health disease? Sociopathy?

Is Trumpism the most severe form?

[dckingsfan]

Actually, I am with Senator Johnson on this... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the inalienable rights. With healthcare there is a cost - someone has to pay for the service and someone has to render the service. I don't think that can be an inalienable right - right?

When you say healthcare, social security, education, etc. are rights, you go down a very slippery slope. For healthcare for example, what level of coverage is a right? Who determines what level is a right. I could do the same for SS and education.

So, it needs another definition. One that I think you are trying to get to Zonk - something along best allocation of resources to our population from our government.

I agree that healthcare is not a "right" as defined in the nation's laws and constitution. But I believe we are "our brother's keeper" and, imo, it's "morally right" to provide universal healthcare coverage. The same is true about social security (in order to take care of the elderly, disabled, etc.) and public education (as a tool for helping to ensure educational/opportunity equity). Those are the programs that I want to see my tax dollars spent on. That's why I support those candidates who embrace those priorities.

Calling healthcare "a privilege" is about as elitist/selfish as it gets.

I think the problem is it hasn't been well enough defined. Right - no. Privilege - no. Entitlement?

I had a professor that asked a rhetorical question of a student that asked something similar (about housing). He said if food is a right, housing is a right and healthcare is a right - would there be people that wouldn't want to work? Or would just work enough to having clothing and maybe a bike. And if they didn't work, who would provide the housing, food and healthcare?

And this was many years ago - so the question is still out there...

[I_Like_Dirt]

So, it needs another definition. One that I think you are trying to get to Zonk - something along best allocation of resources to our population from our government.

The word you are looking for is responsibility, and it's a word that tends to get completely ignored yet goes hand in hand with rights. Instead, it's a woed that gets replaced by "privilege," which is completely missing the point. Health care is a responsibility, and sadly as with most responsibilities that involve actual sacrifice rather than simply taking, it's one that many people seem to want to shirk.

[DCZards]

I think the problem is it hasn't been well enough defined. Right - no. Privilege - no. Entitlement?

I had a professor that asked a rhetorical question of a student that asked something similar (about housing). He said if food is a right, housing is a right and healthcare is a right - would there be people that wouldn't want to work? Or would just work enough to having clothing and maybe a bike. And if they didn't work, who would provide the housing, food and healthcare?

And this was many years ago - so the question is still out there...

I don't think it's an either/or situation. It's possible to encourage (maybe even require) work and, at the same time, ensure that the every citizen's basic need for housing, food and healthcare is met.

Again, it's a matter of priorities.

[stilldropin20]

Ya know, this country has money to burn. I need a new mcmansion!! Get ta work congress!!!

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[cammac]

Actually, I am with Senator Johnson on this... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the inalienable rights. With healthcare there is a cost - someone has to pay for the service and someone has to render the service. I don't think that can be an inalienable right - right?

When you say healthcare, social security, education, etc. are rights, you go down a very slippery slope. For healthcare for example, what level of coverage is a right? Who determines what level is a right. I could do the same for SS and education.

So, it needs another definition. One that I think you are trying to get to Zonk - something along best allocation of resources to our population from our government.

I agree that healthcare is not a "right" as defined in the nation's laws and constitution. But I believe we are "our brother's keeper" and, imo, it's "morally right" to provide universal healthcare coverage. The same is true about social security (in order to take care of the elderly, disabled, etc.) and public education (as a tool for helping to ensure educational/opportunity equity). Those are the programs that I want to see my tax dollars spent on. That's why I support those candidates who embrace those priorities.

Calling healthcare "a privilege" is about as elitist/selfish as it gets.

I think the problem is it hasn't been well enough defined. Right - no. Privilege - no. Entitlement?

I had a professor that asked a rhetorical question of a student that asked something similar (about housing). He said if food is a right, housing is a right and healthcare is a right - would there be people that wouldn't want to work? Or would just work enough to having clothing and maybe a bike. And if they didn't work, who would provide the housing, food and healthcare?

And this was many years ago - so the question is still out there...

Every other advanced democratic societies provides universal healthcare at much lower costs than the USA which closes out a segment of current society and if the Republicans had there way a much larger segment. For me universal healthcare saves money and its payments are put over the breadth of society. The lunacy of thinking the private sector is more efficient than a comprehensive Federal and State government system has been proved wrong in so many countries.

Social security is paid for in every country by the citizens and I know that in Canada a significant portion has been invested in the public sector to enhance the money collected from the private sector. My complaint about the American system is that it is too much worry about tax cuts rather than the quality of service for taxes. But again I haven't a problem with cuts in business taxes if loopholes are eliminated which will provide net income.

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[Zonkerbl]

Actually, I am with Senator Johnson on this... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the inalienable rights. With healthcare there is a cost - someone has to pay for the service and someone has to render the service. I don't think that can be an inalienable right - right?

When you say healthcare, social security, education, etc. are rights, you go down a very slippery slope. For healthcare for example, what level of coverage is a right? Who determines what level is a right. I could do the same for SS and education.

So, it needs another definition. One that I think you are trying to get to Zonk - something along best allocation of resources to our population from our government.

I agree that healthcare is not a "right" as defined in the nation's laws and constitution. But I believe we are "our brother's keeper" and, imo, it's "morally right" to provide universal healthcare coverage. The same is true about social security (in order to take care of the elderly, disabled, etc.) and public education (as a tool for helping to ensure educational/opportunity equity). Those are the programs that I want to see my tax dollars spent on. That's why I support those candidates who embrace those priorities.

Calling healthcare "a privilege" is about as elitist/selfish as it gets.

THAT'S what I was trying to say, thank you.

[Zonkerbl]

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[dckingsfan]

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