DCZards wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:DCZards wrote:
...but if healthcare is a privilege, as you apparently believe it is, and you didn't have a health insurance card or proof that you could pay, would it be alright if the medics didn't treat you and left you there bleeding instead?
bill em. make that bill as redeemable as owing taxes to the IRS. garnish wages. garnish entitlements to pay that medical bill.
Based on your response, it sounds like you agree that everyone should get healthcare regardless of their ability to pay or whether or not they have insurance. So why not institute universal healthcare coverage?
If we're proactive and give people easy access to preventative care (which is a big part of Obamacare), maybe we can change some people's bad health habits and reduce the number of obese Americans--or those with diabetes, high blood pressure and other diseases. Not everyone will take advantage of preventative care, but the surest way to bring down healthcare costs is to reduce the number of people who are forced to rely on emergency care, which is the most costly kind of care.
It really doesn't matter to me whether it's labeled a "right" or a "privilege" as long as everyone has access to affordable healthcare coverage.
access? certainly. even absolutely. but i think we all agree on this? Its just how to pay for it is what we are debating.
i dont think I should ever have to pay for someone else's health care. nor they for me. I feel the same for food. for housing. etc.
now if I'm down on my luck and the government spots me some cash? Sure, but I should repay my debt without discount.
i dont believe in insurance of any type to be honest. I do have liability on my car and malpractice due to the law requiring. but i save myself nearly 20K annually by not having health, full coverage auto, excessive house insurance, i have minimal office policies instead of expensive loss of income and other stuff, i dont have disability ins, nor include myself on my workmens comp.
By not having all of these various types of excessive insurance I save nearly 20K annually.
To that end, i believe unemployment "tax" should cover all unemployment costs. If the american people want unemployment insurance? fine I guess. I dont. I never used it. never will. neither has my fiance. I do pay into. And I'm guessing my kids wont use it either. Just like health insurance. I'm 45 and never used any type of health insurance since I was 12 years old. I have not been to the doctor since my exit physical in the navy. I last had dental work done when i was 22. I have no plans to go to a doctor until I have my prostate checked out in 5 years. I'll pay cash. I have saved myself over nearly $300K in various insurance costs over the last 25 years by basically not having insurance but minimal liability.
Additionally, for those chronically unemployed,
none of them should be allowed
to not work. I dont care if they sweep streets, pick weeds, stand at cross walks, paint buildings, mop floors at a local school, or stare at a screen performing "security" of sorts...whatever it is, everyone works at least 8 hours per day to collect any type of entitlements.
just by virtue of making everyone show up somewhere to "punch" a time card 8 hours per day for their "pay", you create a new dynamic that encourages people to work. where people begin to understand that they will "do something" for 40 hours per week for any given entitlement. so they may as well "try" to find gainful employment. just by showing up somehere 40 hours per week, will make "america" healthier both physically and mentally.
In terms of health care costs. american lifestyles are sedimentary and the diet is poor. lifestyles are stressed and americans consume a lot of drugs. these things drive the need for "more" health care. High costs are driven by the corporate lobbyists owning the established DC politicians who allow (essentially) price gouging.
And it all adds up to a total frickin joke of a "health care" system. just think about that for a second. i'm a doctor and I have NOT seen a doctor in 24 years. Nor a dentist since i left dental school. no dental work has been performed on me by anyone in 23 years. I brush and floss. Thats it. I have a healthy diet. I exercise intelligently. I worked hard which led to some level of self percieved success and therefore I'm happy. my self medication goes no further than a couple drinks per week (its poison) at most, maybe a puff of weed a few time per month(not poison), and maybe some slightly more fun stuff (poison but fun) on 1 or 2 big days per year.
i said this 20 pages ago. I'll say it again. I dont need a doctor and neither do you. you just need to educate yourself on what is healthy.
so you then might then ask," what if you get cancer?" If that happens, then my time has come. like most doctors, no chemo for me thank you very much. no radio. no nothing. when i'm in pain and the end is here? I'll overmedicate with something real good and bow out. sayonara. death is part of life. americans are first too afraid to live. then too afraid to die. so too much "healthcare" is needed in between. and americans dont want to pay for their own effing health care. they want their neighbor to (help) pay for it. don't be such selfish cowards!! That's what i say. and some foo' called me the lunatic fringe. I just might be the most sane person in this thread. can i gets an "AMEN!!" anyone??????
like i said, its a full rebuild.
one as historical growth and the other as a snapshot.
