Celtics @ Sixers - Preseason Game 2

[LloydFree]

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Also Porter isn't in Horford's league either. Not even close. Horford was the Celtics' best player throughout the playoffs last year and Porter disappeared for 2 point-like games multiple times in the Hawks/Celtics series.

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Hayward last year made the All star team in the WEST and imo he’s a legit 2nd piece on a contender
Horford made everyone around him better check the shooting splits for IT AB and JC with him on vs off the court
There is a reason why AB JC IT all had career years

Man, go ahead with those on/off splits. Ainge gave away Jae Crowder, and he had the best on/off splits of everybody on the team.

Take it from someone who watched Iverson win with Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron Mckie. Giving away Crowder and Bradley in order to pay a very borderline All-star 30 million, will change the entire culture of the team and it's going to be a longer adjustment than people think... Unless Brad Stevens is legitimately the best coach in the league.

[Baller1234a]

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Hayward last year made the All star team in the WEST and imo he’s a legit 2nd piece on a contender
Horford made everyone around him better check the shooting splits for IT AB and JC with him on vs off the court
There is a reason why AB JC IT all had career years

Man, go ahead with those on/off splits. Ainge gave away Jae Crowder, and he had the best on/off splits of everybody on the team.

Take it from someone who watched Iverson win with Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron Mckie. Giving away Crowder and Bradley in order to pay a very borderline All-star 30 million, will change the entire culture of the team and it's going to be a longer adjustment than people think... Unless Brad Stevens is legitimately the best coach in the league.

I also believe it will take a while but I think we should be locked into the 2nd best team in the east by playoff time
I think we will have to gel and we will finally click post ASB

[Kobblehead]

How many proven Top 8 rotation players do the Celtics have?

- Kyrie Irving
- Gordon Hayward
- Al Horford
- Marcus Morris
- Marcus Smart
- Aaron Baynes (generous to even include him)

Losing Bradley, Olynik, Johnson and having to toss Crowder in the Kyrie trade pretty much dismantled their depth. Their depth over the last couple of years was what made them such a quality team.

[rzzzzz]

I also believe it will take a while but I think we should be locked into the 2nd best team in the east by playoff timeI think we will have to gel and we will finally click post ASB

2nd? that would be a significant step backwards. man, if i was LeBron and the Cavs managed to comfortably ease into the top spot, i'd be inclined to stick around. yeah, the Celtics perimeter game should develop, but that fragile front line along with chunks of D is in need of serious transfusion. (kind of like who we had sitting in blazers last night and stashed overseas.)

[Ericb5]

How many proven Top 8 rotation players do the Celtics have?

- Kyrie Irving
- Gordon Hayward
- Al Horford
- Marcus Morris
- Marcus Smart
- Aaron Baynes (generous to even include him)

Losing Bradley, Olynik, Johnson and having to toss Crowder in the Kyrie trade pretty much dismantled their depth. Their depth over the last couple of years was what made them such a quality team.

I didn’t realize it until Zumoff said it last night that the Celtics only have 4 returning players!


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[Ericb5]

Also Porter isn't in Horford's league either. Not even close. Horford was the Celtics' best player throughout the playoffs last year and Porter disappeared for 2 point-like games multiple times in the Hawks/Celtics series.

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Hayward last year made the All star team in the WEST and imo he’s a legit 2nd piece on a contender
Horford made everyone around him better check the shooting splits for IT AB and JC with him on vs off the court
There is a reason why AB JC IT all had career years

I would say that Irving is a legit 2nd piece on a contender, and Hayward is a 3rd.

The problem is that Irving can’t be your primary ball handler, but he has to defend the point. So being second to Lebron was perfect for him. Now I’m not so sure how it is going to work out.

You guys still don’t have a franchise player and that is the hardest thing to find in the nba.


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[Kolkmania]

To be fair, we should have lost this game by 20 if we didn't shoot this well. Unreal to see a player like Redick who consistently converts 3's coming off screens and one-dribble moves.

Nevertheless fun game. Simmons found out how good defenders will approach him in the regular season, he needs to add more creativity around the basket than those floaters from 5 feet to have a decent efficiency. That said, you can see the potential he has and the easy baskets he provides our shooters.

I know Justin Anderson had a good game, but I'm so sick of his pump fake/thriple threat move haha. He's going to drive me nuts this season.

[GoCeltics123]

Wall, Beal, Porter and Gortat are = to Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Horford, IMO. Wall is a better player than Kyrie. The Wizards have continuity. The Celtics have the better coach.

Giannis >> Kyrie. Hayward > Middleton. Horford > Monroe. Brogdon, Snell and a healthy Parker are as good as anybody else the Celtics have. Horford's reputation is bigger than his actual performance. The Celtics are paying him 100 million to do slightly more than Greg Monroe.

Also Porter isn't in Horford's league either. Not even close. Horford was the Celtics' best player throughout the playoffs last year and Porter disappeared for 2 point-like games multiple times in the Hawks/Celtics series.

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Standard stats argument goes down the drain right there.

And Andrew Wiggins is an All-Star because he averaged 24 PPG last year right? Oh wait...

And Middleton the same as Hayward? Hayward being in the top 10 of offensive efficiency in the league last year, next to a guy who is a role player? Oof man I really wish you watched more basketball before making opinions like that.

[Negrodamus]

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Also Porter isn't in Horford's league either. Not even close. Horford was the Celtics' best player throughout the playoffs last year and Porter disappeared for 2 point-like games multiple times in the Hawks/Celtics series.

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Standard stats argument goes down the drain right there.

And Andrew Wiggins is an All-Star because he averaged 24 PPG last year right? Oh wait...

And Middleton the same as Hayward? Hayward being in the top 10 of offensive efficiency in the league last year, next to a guy who is a role player? Oof man I really wish you watched more basketball before making opinions like that.

More laughing emojis. It definitely helps your argument. You're winning so hard!

[LloydFree]

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Also Porter isn't in Horford's league either. Not even close. Horford was the Celtics' best player throughout the playoffs last year and Porter disappeared for 2 point-like games multiple times in the Hawks/Celtics series.

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Standard stats argument goes down the drain right there.

And Andrew Wiggins is an All-Star because he averaged 24 PPG last year right? Oh wait...

And Middleton the same as Hayward? Hayward being in the top 10 of offensive efficiency in the league last year, next to a guy who is a role player? Oof man I really wish you watched more basketball before making opinions like that.

Ad hominem and lots of emojis... Always good sign of a high level post.

Anyway come talk to me when the Celtics get to a Finals with Horford and Hayward as 2 of their top​ 3 players.

[Baller1234a]

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Hayward last year made the All star team in the WEST and imo he’s a legit 2nd piece on a contender
Horford made everyone around him better check the shooting splits for IT AB and JC with him on vs off the court
There is a reason why AB JC IT all had career years

Man, go ahead with those on/off splits. Ainge gave away Jae Crowder, and he had the best on/off splits of everybody on the team.

Take it from someone who watched Iverson win with Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron Mckie. Giving away Crowder and Bradley in order to pay a very borderline All-star 30 million, will change the entire culture of the team and it's going to be a longer adjustment than people think... Unless Brad Stevens is legitimately the best coach in the league.

Yet standard stats work?
Now I’m not saying Horford is a top 20 player but he is in that top 30 range and imo is a 3rd best player on a champions level team.
I kinda see him as a draymond green type can handle the ball one of the best passers for a center can stretch the floor and can create good looks for everyone which is very valuable for a team

[Baller1234a]

Horford ain't Sh anymore. I love that the Celtics used up their CAP space on Horford and Hayward. Brad Stevens turning in a Larry Brown like coaching performance with a bunch of role players have clouded people's thoughts. Horford isn't great. Hayward isn't great. Guys like Beal, and Middleton are just as good as them. And somewhere along the line an NBA starting Center/PF averaging 15 points and 6 Rebounds became a superstar.

Standard stats argument goes down the drain right there.

And Andrew Wiggins is an All-Star because he averaged 24 PPG last year right? Oh wait...

And Middleton the same as Hayward? Hayward being in the top 10 of offensive efficiency in the league last year, next to a guy who is a role player? Oof man I really wish you watched more basketball before making opinions like that.

Ad hominem and lots of emojis... Always good sign of a high level post.

Anyway come talk to me when the Celtics get to a Finals with Horford and Hayward was 2 of their top​ 3 players.

I think it is a possibility as soon as next year depending on what happens with Lebron now winning the championship? We have to hope either Tatum or Brown is the real deal

[LloydFree]

Hayward last year made the All star team in the WEST and imo he’s a legit 2nd piece on a contender
Horford made everyone around him better check the shooting splits for IT AB and JC with him on vs off the court
There is a reason why AB JC IT all had career years

Man, go ahead with those on/off splits. Ainge gave away Jae Crowder, and he had the best on/off splits of everybody on the team.

Take it from someone who watched Iverson win with Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron Mckie. Giving away Crowder and Bradley in order to pay a very borderline All-star 30 million, will change the entire culture of the team and it's going to be a longer adjustment than people think... Unless Brad Stevens is legitimately the best coach in the league.

Yet standard stats work?
Now I’m not saying Horford is a top 20 player but he is in that top 30 range and imo is a 3rd best player on a champions level team.
I kinda see him as a draymond green type can handle the ball one of the best passers for a center can stretch the floor and can create good looks for everyone which is very valuable for a team

There is one Standard stat that will always be relevant. A starting Center who gets 30 minutes per game and only gets 6 RPG, isn't a great player. Horford isn't a top 25-30 player anymore.

[Baller1234a]

Man, go ahead with those on/off splits. Ainge gave away Jae Crowder, and he had the best on/off splits of everybody on the team.

Take it from someone who watched Iverson win with Eric Snow, George Lynch and Aaron Mckie. Giving away Crowder and Bradley in order to pay a very borderline All-star 30 million, will change the entire culture of the team and it's going to be a longer adjustment than people think... Unless Brad Stevens is legitimately the best coach in the league.

Yet standard stats work?
Now I’m not saying Horford is a top 20 player but he is in that top 30 range and imo is a 3rd best player on a champions level team.
I kinda see him as a draymond green type can handle the ball one of the best passers for a center can stretch the floor and can create good looks for everyone which is very valuable for a team

There is one Standard stat that will always be relevant. A starting Center who gets 30 minutes per game and only gets 6 RPG, isn't a great player. Horford isn't a top 25-30 player anymore.

Draymond averaged only a rebound more per game ....
In addition with Horford s type of game he is away from the basket making it harder to get rebounds just like Draymond

[LloydFree]

Yet standard stats work?
Now I’m not saying Horford is a top 20 player but he is in that top 30 range and imo is a 3rd best player on a champions level team.
I kinda see him as a draymond green type can handle the ball one of the best passers for a center can stretch the floor and can create good looks for everyone which is very valuable for a team

There is one Standard stat that will always be relevant. A starting Center who gets 30 minutes per game and only gets 6 RPG, isn't a great player. Horford isn't a top 25-30 player anymore.

Draymond averaged only a rebound more per game ....
In addition with Horford s type of game he is away from the basket making it harder to get rebounds just like Draymond

What? If Horford defended 3 positions at an All-league level, brought the ball up, and passed the ball like Draymond Green... I'd let the 6 RPG slide..

[LloydFree]

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[LloydFree]

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[Baller1234a]

There is one Standard stat that will always be relevant. A starting Center who gets 30 minutes per game and only gets 6 RPG, isn't a great player. Horford isn't a top 25-30 player anymore.

Draymond averaged only a rebound more per game ....
In addition with Horford s type of game he is away from the basket making it harder to get rebounds just like Draymond

What? If Horford defended 3 positions at an All-league level, brought the ball up, and passed the ball like Draymond Green... I'd let the 6 RPG slide..

He’s the best passing center in the game (maybe Marc gasol)
He had ales the ball the ball a lot
He isn’t DPOY level but he is an above average defender

Also rebounds is a flawed stats how many opp. Did he create for others to rebound how many times did he seal off his man so someone like AB could get rebounds

[LloydFree]

Draymond averaged only a rebound more per game ....
In addition with Horford s type of game he is away from the basket making it harder to get rebounds just like Draymond

What? If Horford defended 3 positions at an All-league level, brought the ball up, and passed the ball like Draymond Green... I'd let the 6 RPG slide..

He’s the best passing center in the game (maybe Marc gasol)
He had ales the ball the ball a lot
He isn’t DPOY level but he is an above average defender

Also rebounds is a flawed stats how many opp. Did he create for others to rebound how many times did he seal off his man so someone like AB could get rebounds

Oh geez. I'm done here. Getting flash backs of Jahlil Okafor discussions.

[Baller1234a]

What? If Horford defended 3 positions at an All-league level, brought the ball up, and passed the ball like Draymond Green... I'd let the 6 RPG slide..

He’s the best passing center in the game (maybe Marc gasol)
He had ales the ball the ball a lot
He isn’t DPOY level but he is an above average defender

Also rebounds is a flawed stats how many opp. Did he create for others to rebound how many times did he seal off his man so someone like AB could get rebounds

Oh geez. I'm done here. Getting flash backs of Jahlil Okafor discussions.

Alright how about this
Can you name 30 players better than Horford for a championship team?