Preseason Game #3 : Utah Jazz @ Phoenix Suns

Revived · Post #141 » by **Revived** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:50 am

Kerrsed wrote:Anyone remember in the draft how JJ's biggest knocks were his shooting and having no 3 point shot?

He was supposed to be a great playmaker and he has 8 turnovers.

Regardless, all this is just preseason.

YouTube · Post #142 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:50 am

Another Bender Blunder.

Blackification · Post #143 » by **Blackification** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:51 am

28 turnovers in 3 quarter. amazing

i think josh jackson will be the leader in turnovers throughout preseason so far after this game.

grumpysaddle · Post #144 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:54 am

Bender during the Suns "pregame" warmup...

Blackification · Post #145 » by **Blackification** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:57 am

Get it Peters,

Donovan Mitchell is a beast

Post #146 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:57 am

Nice first shot as a Sun.

grumpysaddle · Post #147 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:00 am

Watson called a quick yoga timeout. Things will be better after the timeout guysssss

Jdiddy701 · Post #148 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:01 am

Wow, we suck.

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YouTube · Post #149 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:03 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Wow, we suck.

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bigfoot · Post #150 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:03 am

68 turnovers in 2 and 3/4 games ... bush league basketball

grumpysaddle · Post #151 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:05 am

Phoenix Generals.

Post #152 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:06 am

darealjuice wrote:How is it entirely coaching? The coaches are not the ones on the court. You can tell a guy to do something, but if they don't do it then they're at least in part to blame for not doing it. There's a shot clock, once you run through your offense and get nothing you're basically forced to ISO. This is what happens when you have a team of young, inexperienced players all playing together, insane amounts of turnovers and lack of attention to detail.

Our biggest coaching problem is the stupid ass way we defend pick and rolls. For some reason our scheme is to have the man defending the screener sinks all the way to the rim and gets themselves caught with 2 on 1 with a downhill ball handler and a rolling big man or leaving a wide open popping big on the perimeter. We definitely have plays that are bad and not suited to our personnel and our coaching is mediocre at best, but I just don't want people to think that replacing a coach is suddenly going to turn this team into a well-oiled machine on both ends. It's not, it's gonna take time.

It's the lack of options. We have a bunch of young players who need direction and set plays they can go to. As mentioned, they run through their first soft pick and when that fails, it ends up with an ISO play. Where's the off-ball movement? Where's the ball movement? Where's the 2nd and 3rd screen? ISO is fine as a final option but often we see Booker or Bledsoe going to ISO with more half the shot clock left. If we have a team of experienced players and they still make boneheaded plays, then yeah, it's a player issue. But because our guys are young, our failure to run plays well rest heavily on training, coaching and discipline. I don't think our guys lack talent or athleticism so it has to be our coaches responsbility to make sure they are using these attributes the right way. But this is only one side of the court.

On the other end, I agree with you. We have very average iso defense and worse team defense.

Regarding the coaching change, I have to disagree. I don't think someone will come in and turn this team into a well-oiled machine immediately but all we've seen since Watson has taken over is Devin Booker becoming a scoring machine which one could argue he would've developed into regardless of coaching. We've seen TJ's defense improve marginally, we've seen Len plateau and we've seen Chriss playing more minutes than he should have. I just don't know how much accountability there is on this team.

I'm not taking blame away from our players because ultimately, they are the ones who are on the court but it's hard to put more blame on a bunch of inexperienced, developing players when the coaching staff is suppose to help them become better players and a better team and I haven't seen much of that outside of Warren and Booker individually becoming better.

8on · Post #153 » by **8on** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:09 am

good old Mike James. never saw a shot he didn't like

bigfoot · Post #154 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:13 am

dantley4prez wrote:good old Mike James. never saw a shot he didn't like

3-5 shooting ... better than either Bledsoe, Booker, Ulis or Daniels who are all shooting poorly.

8on · Post #155 » by **8on** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:15 am

bigfoot wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:good old Mike James. never saw a shot he didn't like

3-5 shooting ... better than either Bledsoe, Booker, Ulis or Daniels who are all shooting poorly.

you'd have to agree he's a shoot first point guard, yes?

YouTube · Post #156 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:17 am

dantley4prez wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:good old Mike James. never saw a shot he didn't like

3-5 shooting ... better than either Bledsoe, Booker, Ulis or Daniels who are all shooting poorly.

you'd have to agree he's a shoot first point guard, yes?

Yeah, and? Whats your point?

8on · Post #157 » by **8on** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:18 am

Kerrsed wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
3-5 shooting ... better than either Bledsoe, Booker, Ulis or Daniels who are all shooting poorly.

you'd have to agree he's a shoot first point guard, yes?

Yeah, and? Whats your point?

my point is that he never saw a shot he didn't like.

YouTube · Post #158 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:20 am

dantley4prez wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
you'd have to agree he's a shoot first point guard, yes?

Yeah, and? Whats your point?

my point is that he never saw a shot he didn't like.

OH! I see! Because he's a shoot first PG, that means he just chucks up shots and ignore teammates, GOTCHA!

So glad we could put him in a nice little box for you! Super!

Good to know, because shoot first PG's dont go anywhere in the league! :eyeroll:

Mulhollanddrive · Post #159 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:20 am

Ulis is coming off ankle surgery, have to give him gametime to get his feel and match fitness back.

8on · Post #160 » by **8on** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:22 am

Kerrsed wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Yeah, and? Whats your point?

my point is that he never saw a shot he didn't like.

OH! I see! Because he's a shoot first PG, that means he just chucks up shots and ignore teammates, GOTCHA!

So glad we could put him in a nice little box for you! Super!

Good to know, because shoot first PG's dont go anywhere in the league! :eyeroll:

i didn't say it was a bad thing. i just said what it was. chill out, dawg.