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jfs1000d wrote:Guys, Trump is wealthy, he has done it through marketing and branding. He is in real estate, which is probably the one area of business that is brass knuckles fighting. The guy is tough. But, his branding is better than his results. No one takes him seriously in the business community. There are now 500 fortune 500 CEOs who think they can be a better president than him.
truth18 wrote:canman1971 wrote:LeBron. Good lord. This thread turned to turds pretty quick if we are quoting that bozo.
I doubt it. Lebron is actually pretty great with social issues.
On a separate note:
This thread is showing why we are the best board on here. Lots of intelligent and productive discussion on here and for the most part everyone has been quite respectful to one another.
As someone who would respond (but never bring up on my own) to posts about social or political issues on here but never wanted a "politics thread" as Andrew calls it, I think we have a lot to be proud of here.
truth18 wrote:Trump was not a successful business man, quite the opposite.
He was an extremely successful reality star and I suppose you could call his political venture a technical success, but he was a poor business man with a host of failed ventures that consistently brought him to bankruptcy.
You have to get the details right or you risk your entire argument being intellectually dishonest.
theman wrote:truth18 wrote:Trump was not a successful business man, quite the opposite.
He was an extremely successful reality star and I suppose you could call his political venture a technical success, but he was a poor business man with a host of failed ventures that consistently brought him to bankruptcy.
You have to get the details right or you risk your entire argument being intellectually dishonest.
Now who is showing his ignorance? Trump is a billionaire. You don't become that without your successes out numbering your failures.
He was a successful businessman decades before he became a reality star. Why do you think they gave him that show? Because he was successful.
KGboss wrote:theman wrote:truth18 wrote:Trump was not a successful business man, quite the opposite.
He was an extremely successful reality star and I suppose you could call his political venture a technical success, but he was a poor business man with a host of failed ventures that consistently brought him to bankruptcy.
You have to get the details right or you risk your entire argument being intellectually dishonest.
Now who is showing his ignorance? Trump is a billionaire. You don't become that without your successes out numbering your failures.
He was a successful businessman decades before he became a reality star. Why do you think they gave him that show? Because he was successful.
He's also made a fortune **** on the little guy, never paying his debts, often times not paying employees or contractors and has generally built his empire off the backs of everyone he's come in contact with.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:KGboss wrote:theman wrote:
Now who is showing his ignorance? Trump is a billionaire. You don't become that without your successes out numbering your failures.
He was a successful businessman decades before he became a reality star. Why do you think they gave him that show? Because he was successful.
He's also made a fortune **** on the little guy, never paying his debts, often times not paying employees or contractors and has generally built his empire off the backs of everyone he's come in contact with.
Yeah, theman, you need to work on sniffing the smell of bullsh*t a little better. Trump has "worked" his entire life, to his credit, but he inherited a tremendous fortune from his father. And it turns out if he'd just put that fortune into the market, he would have more money now than he earned by his business ventures and investments. So he underperformed the growth of the economy as a whole over the last 40ish years. He didn't squander his entire fortune, but he hasn't been a great businessman. He's been mediocre to bad.
He has led businesses into bankruptcy, and a long list of businesses doesn't mean anything. A lot of those are empty titles - why "Trump Ice Inc" and "Trump Ice LLC"? They're just designations for tax and liability purposes, and maybe for money laundering. Can you name a "Trump Book"? The fact he has "Trump Books LLC" doesn't mean it's a business in any meaningful sense of the word - it could mean he took some of his money and used it to pay to print copies of "The Art Of The Deal."
fallguy wrote:
Yeah, in the battle of Trump's business career vs. Index fund, you're better off with the latter.
Sort of related: it's beyond me why people like to trumpet the idea that we need a businessman (it's always a man they want) in charge of the government. As though a national public policy organization is best served by Wall Street style thinking.
But Trump didn't do that he actually built something. And it wasn't all Trump, and I could be wrong, but I seem to recall the neighborhood around Trump Tower was pretty bad before he built it. How many just did he create building it? Andrew McCeltic wrote:Because after the end of the Cold War, and Bill Clinton's neoliberal compromise with economic conservatism, we all embraced the idea that capitalism is the foundation of American health and prosperity, and that government mostly just has to get out of the way, and that non-market-based public services are mostly just a drag or a drain on the forward movement of the economy. That's simplistic, wrong, corrosive, dangerous, destructive, so that we only "believe in" economics, as being closest to nature, and don't "believe in" civics or education or journalism or the public good. So the idea that a businessman would be the best president stems from the idea that the role of government is basically to do what's good for businesses and get out of the way.
theman wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:Because after the end of the Cold War, and Bill Clinton's neoliberal compromise with economic conservatism, we all embraced the idea that capitalism is the foundation of American health and prosperity, and that government mostly just has to get out of the way, and that non-market-based public services are mostly just a drag or a drain on the forward movement of the economy. That's simplistic, wrong, corrosive, dangerous, destructive, so that we only "believe in" economics, as being closest to nature, and don't "believe in" civics or education or journalism or the public good. So the idea that a businessman would be the best president stems from the idea that the role of government is basically to do what's good for businesses and get out of the way.
It is so much better to take money from hard working people to give to layabouts.
Captain_Caveman wrote:theman wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:Because after the end of the Cold War, and Bill Clinton's neoliberal compromise with economic conservatism, we all embraced the idea that capitalism is the foundation of American health and prosperity, and that government mostly just has to get out of the way, and that non-market-based public services are mostly just a drag or a drain on the forward movement of the economy. That's simplistic, wrong, corrosive, dangerous, destructive, so that we only "believe in" economics, as being closest to nature, and don't "believe in" civics or education or journalism or the public good. So the idea that a businessman would be the best president stems from the idea that the role of government is basically to do what's good for businesses and get out of the way.
It is so much better to take money from hard working people to give to layabouts.
Except that is not what is happening at all. We are the least taxed nation in the civilized world, particularly if you are affluent. There is, and has been for quite some time, widespread and extensive wealth consolidation from the lower and middle classes into the hands of the super wealthy. It is a Robber Baron era relived.
The idea that poor people are the ones taking your money is pure fantasy in every respect. Not one shred of validity to that statement.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:theman wrote:
It is so much better to take money from hard working people to give to layabouts.
Except that is not what is happening at all. We are the least taxed nation in the civilized world, particularly if you are affluent. There is, and has been for quite some time, widespread and extensive wealth consolidation from the lower and middle classes into the hands of the super wealthy. It is a Robber Baron era relived.
The idea that poor people are the ones taking your money is pure fantasy in every respect. Not one shred of validity to that statement.
Right, and Bill Clinton, a Democrat, led the way in welfare reform, in part because of conservative urban legends about “welfare queens”.
GoCeltics123 wrote:Can we, as Americans, agree that the USMNT being out of the World Cup is a disaster?
GoCeltics123 wrote:Can we, as Americans, agree that the USMNT being out of the World Cup is a disaster?
m haynes wrote:I voted for the nut job Trump, knowing he wasn't qualified and would cause trouble for our so call government. The standard quo on both side are lying cheating, self serving scum balls. They could care less for any average Joe. They only care about the power and money. The Republican and Democrat are both looking like idiots. So IMO Trump is doing his ( driving them crazy) job. Exposing the fraud that make up our government. The whole thing is a joke, your a fool if you think either party gives a crap about YOU.