Player of the Day: Andre Roberson

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Post#201 » by sleestak33 » Mon Oct 9, 2017 11:22 am

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sleestak33 wrote:I think it's clear that HardenASG13 and myself are on the same page in that we simply don't think Roberson should start and his minutes should be limited to 14-16 per game so that he doesn't negatively impact the game so much as he does when playing 30+ minutes. Anybody who thinks that Roberson doesn't cost the team points offensively simply doesn't know basketball or just is pushing their agenda so much their blinded by facts. When he's out there for that long there is no question that he can cost the team anywhere from 8 to as much as 20 points in some games with his historically pathetic offense. Game 4 against Houston was a perfect example as he singlehandedly lost that one going 2-12 on free throws. As a backup role player coming off the bench he could effectively rest the starter for a few minutes at a time and he's not going to really hurt the team so much in limited stretches of 3-5 minutes. I still would much rather have kept Perry Jones or Jeremy Lamb because obviously between these 3 players either one of them had a MUCH higher upside and if Presti would have kept one of them and put them in the role Roberson has had for the last 4 years as a starter and worked with developing them defensively we obviously would have a MUCH better overall player but now we're stuck with a completely one dimensional defensive role player who will never be anything offensively so they need to put him into a rotational role as a backup where he can be the most effective.


Same thing I’ve always said. Presti or the organization seemed to want a Sefolosha-carbon copy replacement once they decided they were gonna let him go in FA.

I’m tired of explaining to these dudes how having to play 4 on 5 is not good for an offense.

Atleast with Kanter gone, these guys can’t change the subject anymore


When Perkins was here OKC started every game essentially playing 3 against 5 on offense and it probably cost them a couple of championships, maybe more. They lost the Dallas series because they got behind almost every game before Harden came in and there's no question they lost to Miami because of Perkins. Adams is at least passable offensively but he has regressed so it's almost the same now if you take into account opposing teams arent even guarding Roberson, especially in the playoffs which is a tremendous advantage since they can take his defender and double team or just stand by the lane clogging everything up. Roberson is showing in the preseason that not only has nothing changed but it's gotten worse as through 3 preseason games he is 0-5 on 3s, 5-9 on free throws (including an airball). We can only hope that Abrines and Ferguson show enough that Donovan will be forced to remove Roberson from the starting lineup come playoff time because they have no chance whatsoever of doing anything against the Warriors and Rockets with him out there.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#202 » by Bergmaniac » Mon Oct 9, 2017 1:26 pm

LOL at Roberson can cost the team "anywhere from 8 to as much as 20 points in some games". Nobody in the league is anywhere near that detrimental offensively.
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Post#203 » by bondom34 » Mon Oct 9, 2017 1:48 pm

Lol at Perry Jones
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Post#204 » by slick_watts » Mon Oct 9, 2017 2:35 pm

i thought roberson was one of the few players who looked great in the melbourne game.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#205 » by sleestak33 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:24 am

slick_watts wrote:i thought roberson was one of the few players who looked great in the melbourne game.


LOL! Now that's hilarious. 0-2 on 3s and 5-9 on free throws including an airball and one that went in after hitting the back of the rim and clanging 8 feet above before it before miraculously falling in. Through 3 preseason games Roberson has only 13 points and is 0-5 on 3 pointers including an airball. He was a big part of the reason that it was a close game. If we had even a remotely decent offensive player in his place that game would have been won by double digits. You Roberson supporters are absolutely delusional.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#206 » by sleestak33 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:30 am

bondom34 wrote:Lol at Perry Jones



Laugh all you want but I would take Perry Jones over Roberson 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. He scored 32 points in an NBA game against the Clippers and 20 in another game and has solid shooting form and knew how to score. In 4 years Roberson's career high is only 17. Jones is bigger and more athletic than Roberson and had they given him the starting role Roberson has had the last 4 years and continued to work with him defensively we unquestionably would have a much better all around player and a solid offensive threat who actually has to be guarded and isn't a laughingstock.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#207 » by Pillendreher » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:05 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Lol at Perry Jones

Laugh all you want but I would take Perry Jones over Roberson 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.


https://basketball.realgm.com/dleague/teams/Iowa-Energy/4/Transaction_History/2016

The Iowa Wolves placed the contract of Perry Jones on waivers.


He got waived by a D-League Team. Just stop man. This is just painful to watch.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#208 » by RalphSampsonJr » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:24 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Lol at Perry Jones

Laugh all you want but I would take Perry Jones over Roberson 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.


https://basketball.realgm.com/dleague/teams/Iowa-Energy/4/Transaction_History/2016

The Iowa Wolves placed the contract of Perry Jones on waivers.


He got waived by a D-League Team. Just stop man. This is just painful to watch.


Painful is the right word..
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#209 » by bondom34 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:26 pm

Yeah. Still laughing
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#210 » by slick_watts » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:00 pm

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slick_watts wrote:i thought roberson was one of the few players who looked great in the melbourne game.


LOL! Now that's hilarious. 0-2 on 3s and 5-9 on free throws including an airball and one that went in after hitting the back of the rim and clanging 8 feet above before it before miraculously falling in. Through 3 preseason games Roberson has only 13 points and is 0-5 on 3 pointers including an airball. He was a big part of the reason that it was a close game. If we had even a remotely decent offensive player in his place that game would have been won by double digits. You Roberson supporters are absolutely delusional.


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robes had a better line than westbrook!

what's the practical difference between an airball and any other missed shot?
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#211 » by slick_watts » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:02 pm

sleestak33 wrote: has solid shooting form and knew how to score.


jones' solid shooting form that has him shooting 29% career on jump shots?
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#212 » by sleestak33 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:14 am

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sleestak33 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:i thought roberson was one of the few players who looked great in the melbourne game.


LOL! Now that's hilarious. 0-2 on 3s and 5-9 on free throws including an airball and one that went in after hitting the back of the rim and clanging 8 feet above before it before miraculously falling in. Through 3 preseason games Roberson has only 13 points and is 0-5 on 3 pointers including an airball. He was a big part of the reason that it was a close game. If we had even a remotely decent offensive player in his place that game would have been won by double digits. You Roberson supporters are absolutely delusional.


Image

robes had a better line than westbrook!

what's the practical difference between an airball and any other missed shot?


Through 4 preseason games Roberson has only 15 points and is 0-5 on 3s and 5-9 on free throws and one of those free throws was a miracle. As I've said before he simply can't start and play the number of minutes he has been playing because the advantage that the better teams have in not guarding him and using his defender to double team or just stand by the lane clogging it when somebody drives is clearly going to be too much to overcome. We saw it in the last 2 playoff series and it's only going to get worse as opposing teams are very aware that it works now and that doesn't even mention how they can start fouling him and sending to the line where he is a disaster. Roberson coming off the bench for 3-4 minute spurts isn't going to hurt the team too much and his minutes played should never exceed 15-16...that would be about right. Everything I've been saying about Roberson is 100% spot on and will all come to fruition this year. The NBA is a cutthroat league and they will find a player's weakness and completely expose it, especially when it's as significant as his.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#213 » by slick_watts » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:38 pm

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slick_watts wrote:
sleestak33 wrote:
LOL! Now that's hilarious. 0-2 on 3s and 5-9 on free throws including an airball and one that went in after hitting the back of the rim and clanging 8 feet above before it before miraculously falling in. Through 3 preseason games Roberson has only 13 points and is 0-5 on 3 pointers including an airball. He was a big part of the reason that it was a close game. If we had even a remotely decent offensive player in his place that game would have been won by double digits. You Roberson supporters are absolutely delusional.


Image

robes had a better line than westbrook!

what's the practical difference between an airball and any other missed shot?


Through 4 preseason games ...


bad sleestak. look at our conversation above. we're not talking about four preseason games, we're talking about the game against melbourne. do you disagree that roberson played well against melbourne or don't you? stop changing subjects.
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Post#214 » by hardenASG13 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:15 pm

slick_watts wrote:
sleestak33 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
Image

robes had a better line than westbrook!

what's the practical difference between an airball and any other missed shot?


Through 4 preseason games ...


bad sleestak. look at our conversation above. we're not talking about four preseason games, we're talking about the game against melbourne. do you disagree that roberson played well against melbourne or don't you? stop changing subjects.


Well sleestak is talking about his entire preseason, where he's been basically worthless. The defense hasn't fallen off with him out of the game. Their best defensive stretch came with him out the last 6 min of the first quarter last night.

Carmelo and abrines aren't the turnstiles defensively you and others claim they are. Grant is very active on D, despite the lazy narratives saying otherwise. Huestis has played circles around him.

Do you agree he is for the most part a non participant on offense? Their offense is 4 on 5 with him out there, and people wonder why it's so iso heavy! Can you not put 2 and 2 together and see that that is out of necessity, if you are designing an offense to be run 4 on 5?

Hang your hat on the Melbourne game ( not NBA competition, Russ clearly not bringing his A game and rightfully so).
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#215 » by bondom34 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:35 pm

If preseason is a concern PG has been a negative and Russ the worst point guard on the roster. Robes has benn very good defensively and shown some passing and ball handling improvements. But his ppg isn't high so he sucks.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#216 » by bondom34 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:37 pm

Oh and Melo with his 49 percent TS. Ship him out too hes useless. See if NY will give them Kanter back with his elite skillz.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#217 » by CROklahoma » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:44 pm

Just stop that nonsense. What passing ? Who did he pass the ball to to say he improved passing ? He is not playing any P&R, nor facilitating anything beside a simple handoffs at the top of flex actions. He had one simple dump off the floor pass to Adams during whole preseason.

The Robes haters, and Robes lovers out here are just an example how terrible someone's fanatical perception can go.

Reality about him is simple. He should play situational. Guard top dog wings in the league. 16-20 mins per game average. If playing against juggernauts like GSW, Cavs, Spurs, Rockets, use his minutes on the floor wisely, considering he'll contribute on the defensive end of the floor, but hurt you massively on offensive end, considering scouting report he brought himself.

I'm just really terribly dissapointed at him, considering his sayings about the time he alledgedly spent during offseason(s). He didn't improve a single thing in his game during his time in last few seasons, beside his toughness. Damnit, I'm watching all that Defensive highlights over youtube in past 2 years, the pest he is, the tough nights he gives to mvp caliber players.
And then I'm in a situation where I have to defend him in convos with some of my friends, who actually know the bussiness, do some scouting for European teams for Balkans.
You just cant have him for starter minutes on the floor if you are competing for championship. There has to be something he can do efficiently on the other end of the floor too. His cutting is great, but we aint the Warriors. We will never have a system like that, you have to have your main personnel to buy into that, and our guys dont want to move so much off the ball so much, to create that much opportunities for Robes cuting abilities ...

He had/has enourmous potential if he could just convert SOME of his wide open shots guys create for him. Its clear that he will never ever be a below average shooter, meaning his lifespan in NBA will be a lot shorter than it could be, when he starts to slow down ...
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Post#218 » by hardenASG13 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:50 pm

bondom34 wrote:If preseason is a concern PG has been a negative and Russ the worst point guard on the roster. Robes has benn very good defensively and shown some passing and ball handling improvements. But his ppg isn't high so he sucks.


Lots of guys have been very good defensively....what else you got? His improvements ball handling and passing (if you are going to claim that) still put him way behind average NBA players in that regard on the wing.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#219 » by bondom34 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:54 pm

CROklahoma wrote:Just stop that nonsense. What passing ? Who did he pass the ball to to say he improved passing ? He is not playing any P&R, nor facilitating anything beside a simple handoffs at the top of flex actions. He had one simple dump off the floor pass to Adams during whole preseason.

The Robes haters, and Robes lovers out here are just an example how terrible someone's fanatical perception can go.

Reality about him is simple. He should play situational. Guard top dog wings in the league. 16-20 mins per game average. If playing against juggernauts like GSW, Cavs, Spurs, Rockets, use his minutes on the floor wisely, considering he'll contribute on the defensive end of the floor, but hurt you massively on offensive end, considering scouting report he brought himself.

I'm just really terribly dissapointed at the time he alledgedly spent during offseason(s). He didn't improve a single thing in his game during his time in last few seasons, beside his toughness.
He had/has enourmous potential if he could just convert SOME of his wide open shots guys create for him. Its clear that he will never ever be a below average shooter, meaning his lifespan in NBA will be a lot shorter than it could be, when he starts to slow down ...

He passwd that one time to!!!

No, you don't call out a single play as improvement but if you havent noticed it you havent been paying attention. Im not a Roberson"lover". He is a flawed player but a great defender and arguably best perimeter defender in the league who anchored a defense. You remove him fine but its the same terrible argument for starting Kanter over Adams. Its blind ball watching, which is fine if thats the level of analysis anyone wants but I would rather win games. He has historically dragged this defense to above average (unless you argue Russ has been a great defender on the perimeter an is the reason these lineups show as much) and continues to do so. Again if all you do is stare at the ball for 48 minutes fine. But thats not analysis.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#220 » by bondom34 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:00 pm

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bondom34 wrote:If preseason is a concern PG has been a negative and Russ the worst point guard on the roster. Robes has benn very good defensively and shown some passing and ball handling improvements. But his ppg isn't high so he sucks.


Lots of guys have been very good defensively....what else you got? His improvements ball handling and passing (if you are going to claim that) still put him way behind average NBA players in that regard on the wing.

And Melo has been horribly inefficient. Trade him too he sucks! Hes well behind average in that regard.

Parr ofnthe problem is using preseason. Part is that hes been elite defensively for years. Part is that theres more to how good a player is than his offense. Maybe they can get Enes back.

Edit: I will leave it there. It wont ever matter what anyone says unless he eithee becomes a top 5 SG or the trade for an all offense one way bad shooting guard anyway. I will let slick go here because he has more patience for truly poor analysis than I ever will.
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