Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[Revived]

Chriss and Bender both have a lot to learn still, not sure either of them should be starting, we're off playing small ball with both Warren and Jackson starting.

The 2016 draft was a really s***ty draft for us to have two top 10 picks in. Similar to the 2013 draft.

[sunwillrise0304]

len should also start


i like this line up
bled
booker
jj
chriss
len
sixth man :warren
second unit ulis daniels warren bender chandler

[bwgood77]

Here is my take. You guys are naming PG's who will do nothing for us in the rebuild! Let's play the year out and hope we can get some positive value for Bledsoe! We need him to have a good year so we can trade him.

Also, I see a lot of hate with James. He is a score first PG lol. What is wrong with that? He looks like our best PG in preseason. I remember when we had IT on the team, and 90% of you complained. He was a 6th man doing what he was told to do and score. Nothing will make you guys happy. Enjoy the rebuild, enjoy the youth, and hope our team develops.

I am positive that our future will be built around these two guaranteed.

Josh Jackson
Booker

I like Chriss, Bender, and Warren but they aren't really showing more than role players at the moment. I think this will be Warren's year to show his true skills. Chriss and Bender need to improve.

I am excited to watch this team grow!

Well Murray could probably help but he is going nowhere as SA needs him and have been developing him. I don't know that I'd want Smart or Rozier, but I don't think they are going anywhere either.

I agree that I think we are fine at PG. If we trade Bledsoe we will need to have a suitable replacement. I don't see Mike James or Tyler Ulis being that guy. I don't see Mike James being the next Isaiah Thomas.

If you watched Warren last year you would have seen his true skills. In some respect I guess everyone is a role player, but TJ is a scorer but also quite a ball hawk. He's probably already better than you think.

Welcome to the forums.

[bwgood77]

Chriss and Bender both have a lot to learn still, not sure either of them should be starting, we're off playing small ball with both Warren and Jackson starting.

The 2016 draft was a really s***ty draft for us to have two top 10 picks in. Similar to the 2013 draft.

We'd probably be looking better had we kept our 13 and 27 and Bogdan and gotten Skal with that 27th pick and whoever we wanted at 13, though I haven't given up on Chriss in the least bit. But that would have probably given us better depth, and Skal is looking as good as Chriss alone, not even considering the 13th and Bogdan and the depth that could have added.

[Kerrsed]

Just read that despite Ball's 40% 3PT shooting in college, he has hit just 3/52 in the Summer Leagues and Preseason combined. Those pesky NBA defenders seem to bit a bit tougher for him to handle. Long gone are the days of him shooting over the heads of opposing 5'10 PG's that pretend to defend him.

[bwgood77]

Just read that despite Ball's 40% 3PT shooting in college, he has hit just 3/52 in the Summer Leagues and Preseason combined. Those pesky NBA defenders seem to bit a bit tougher for him to handle. Long gone are the days of him shooting over the heads of opposing 5'10 PG's that pretend to defend him.

Yes, very interested to see how he does overall in the league. I wasn't very high on him despite great passing and shooting in college. It's hard to discount what he did do in summer league and preseason so far but it is a very limited sample size. I think he could be like Rondo a bit but a less athletic version overall. I expect Jackson, Smith and Isaac to be better in the long run, and maybe a few others. Though those were my favorites in the draft so I am probably biased. Not as high on Fox as some. Love his attitude and all that but think he could be more of a one trick pony...getting to the rim and scoring...not bad but his shooting was always worrisome to me.

[garrick]

Just read that despite Ball's 40% 3PT shooting in college, he has hit just 3/52 in the Summer Leagues and Preseason combined. Those pesky NBA defenders seem to bit a bit tougher for him to handle. Long gone are the days of him shooting over the heads of opposing 5'10 PG's that pretend to defend him.

Yes, very interested to see how he does overall in the league. I wasn't very high on him despite great passing and shooting in college. It's hard to discount what he did do in summer league and preseason so far but it is a very limited sample size. I think he could be like Rondo a bit but a less athletic version overall. I expect Jackson, Smith and Isaac to be better in the long run, and maybe a few others. Though those were my favorites in the draft so I am probably biased. Not as high on Fox as some. Love his attitude and all that but think he could be more of a one trick pony...getting to the rim and scoring...not bad but his shooting was always worrisome to me.

His wonky shooting style worried me too which made me glad he didn't drop down in the draft where the Suns could have drafted him, I mean Kidd was a poor shooter coming into the league but his shot was at least more normal where you didn't have to worry about him getting his shot blocked.

It also helped that he was a really good defender something that Ball isn't know for so he always had that and play making to fall back on, once teams realize he wants to pass first he might just become a slightly better shooting version of Ricky Rubio.

[LukasBMW]

Bledsoe and Chandler don't look totally engaged yet. It's almost like they can see this season will be another waste and want out.

If it is true that we want to move them, then at least we see the writing on the wall and realize that we should tank from day 1.

[Qwigglez]

It's too bad there are no more disgruntled stars. I think we may entertain a deal with the Bucks, possibly Bledsoe/Chandler for Monroe/Parker. Maybe have to give up Chriss or Bender or some other asset.

[MathiasPW]

Chriss and Bender both have a lot to learn still, not sure either of them should be starting, we're off playing small ball with both Warren and Jackson starting.

The 2016 draft was a really s***ty draft for us to have two top 10 picks in. Similar to the 2013 draft.

We'd probably be looking better had we kept our 13 and 27 and Bogdan and gotten Skal with that 27th pick and whoever we wanted at 13, though I haven't given up on Chriss in the least bit. But that would have probably given us better depth, and Skal is looking as good as Chriss alone, not even considering the 13th and Bogdan and the depth that could have added.

Stll too early to tell. We would look better NOW, cause mainly Bogdan is much more ready to play than any of our teenagers. Skal is just greener grass on the other side...lots of flaws if u look closely, I am sure.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Chriss and Bender both have a lot to learn still, not sure either of them should be starting, we're off playing small ball with both Warren and Jackson starting.

The 2016 draft was a really s***ty draft for us to have two top 10 picks in. Similar to the 2013 draft.

We'd probably be looking better had we kept our 13 and 27 and Bogdan and gotten Skal with that 27th pick and whoever we wanted at 13, though I haven't given up on Chriss in the least bit. But that would have probably given us better depth, and Skal is looking as good as Chriss alone, not even considering the 13th and Bogdan and the depth that could have added.

Stll too early to tell. We would look better NOW, cause mainly Bogdan is much more ready to play than any of our teenagers. Skal is just greener grass on the other side...lots of flaws if u look closely, I am sure.

Honestly, I'm still okay with the trade. Marquese has lots of room to grow and shown a variety of flashes. Skal hasn't been relied on as a main contributor the way Marquese has, which has highlighted his flaws. Bogdan has a huge contract for a European coming in, and while he could be the best player of all of them, it'll be hard to tell for a while, given that he's 25 (24?) as opposed to 19 or 20. I'm certainly not lamenting the fact that Papagiannis is not on this roster, but who knows.

[bhawk]

It's too bad there are no more disgruntled stars. I think we may entertain a deal with the Bucks, possibly Bledsoe/Chandler for Monroe/Parker. Maybe have to give up Chriss or Bender or some other asset.

Do Bledsoe and Chandler count as disgruntled? They certainly aren't stars. I'm not happy that Chriss and Bender are busts so far. I'm pissed that the Lakers are suddenly the HOT team. Ball I get... but Kuzma? Dammit. He may be a better pro than Chriss and Bender. Feel like we can't catch a break in the draft...

On the bright side, I don't think we can miss with a top 5 pick next year. So there's that...

EDIT: I do like Jackson's potential so far. He could be really good.

[bwgood77]

Chriss and Bender both have a lot to learn still, not sure either of them should be starting, we're off playing small ball with both Warren and Jackson starting.

The 2016 draft was a really s***ty draft for us to have two top 10 picks in. Similar to the 2013 draft.

We'd probably be looking better had we kept our 13 and 27 and Bogdan and gotten Skal with that 27th pick and whoever we wanted at 13, though I haven't given up on Chriss in the least bit. But that would have probably given us better depth, and Skal is looking as good as Chriss alone, not even considering the 13th and Bogdan and the depth that could have added.

Stll too early to tell. We would look better NOW, cause mainly Bogdan is much more ready to play than any of our teenagers. Skal is just greener grass on the other side...lots of flaws if u look closely, I am sure.

Sure, but Skal has been shooting well, averaging 52% shooting overall, 40% from 3, along with rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. Playing a lot of minutes as well. Without one bad game he'd be playing better. I don't necessarily think he will be better than Chriss. Chriss SHOULD be better having been drafted so much higher, but considering Bogdan and whoever else we may have gotten at 13, and/or could have taken Dejounte Murray at 27, it will be interesting to see how things play out.

[bwgood77]

We'd probably be looking better had we kept our 13 and 27 and Bogdan and gotten Skal with that 27th pick and whoever we wanted at 13, though I haven't given up on Chriss in the least bit. But that would have probably given us better depth, and Skal is looking as good as Chriss alone, not even considering the 13th and Bogdan and the depth that could have added.

Stll too early to tell. We would look better NOW, cause mainly Bogdan is much more ready to play than any of our teenagers. Skal is just greener grass on the other side...lots of flaws if u look closely, I am sure.

Honestly, I'm still okay with the trade. Marquese has lots of room to grow and shown a variety of flashes. Skal hasn't been relied on as a main contributor the way Marquese has, which has highlighted his flaws. Bogdan has a huge contract for a European coming in, and while he could be the best player of all of them, it'll be hard to tell for a while, given that he's 25 (24?) as opposed to 19 or 20. I'm certainly not lamenting the fact that Papagiannis is not on this roster, but who knows.

Yeah, Skal wasn't relied upon as a main contributor until down the stretch last year after their trade, but he's leading the team in minutes this preseason.

[bwgood77]

It's too bad there are no more disgruntled stars. I think we may entertain a deal with the Bucks, possibly Bledsoe/Chandler for Monroe/Parker. Maybe have to give up Chriss or Bender or some other asset.

I don't know why they'd want Bledsoe when they have the ROY starting at PG and with that lineup are outscoring opponents by 12 points per 100 possessions...

From Lowe...

Continuity helps, and their starting lineup with Malcolm Brogdon, Thon Maker, Khris Middleton and Tony Snell -- and without Jabari Parker -- blitzed opponents by 12 points per 100 possessions once Jason Kidd landed on it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20960590/zach-lowe-2017-18-nba-tiers-ratings

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Hot take: I'd trade Booker straight up for Donovan Mitchell. I've seen enough. That guy is for real.

[Damkac]

Hot take: I'd trade Booker

Lifetime ban!

[Damkac]

Would you do Bledsoe for Dejounte Murray and Tony Parker's corpse? And would Spurs do this?

[TeamTragic]

Hot take: I'd trade Booker straight up for Donovan Mitchell. I've seen enough. That guy is for real.

[Kerrsed]

Would you do Bledsoe for Dejounte Murray and Tony Parker's corpse? And would Spurs do this?

Im probably Dejountes biggest supporter on this board and even i would require more coming back. The value just isnt there yet.