Knicks sign Trey Burke

[3toheadmelo]

It's a Burke thread so this will be my last comment on DSJ (maybe ever), but FACT is, he is a point guard who is shooting 40% from the field, shooting at an alarming clip, while having an assist to turnover ratio of just over 1. I'm not saying he won't be good, but my god has he been overrated so far. I mean prior to his last game he had 5 assists in his first three games. 6 turnovers. A .83 assist to turnover ratio. He's a point guard. That's really, really, bad. We should want to finally rid ourselves of such types of players.

he's been hitting his team mates with open looks every single game. they just couldn't hit their shots. he's a pure PG, just like frank. he could've had 6+ assists in those games where he only had 3. just like how frank only had 3 in his first game, he could've easily had 5+. his defense has even been good too. i mean i know im not crazy cause mavs fans are saying the same things as well. he's been living right up to his expectations in my eyes. that one game where he shot like 30% is because he was out there with complete bums and was used as the first option on offense. they rested the whole starting lineup besides him. so stuff like that is gonna happen as a rookie.

i just don't see this ball dominant player that only looks to score. people who don't watch the games say that about him. hell he's even driving LESS to the rim to get his team mates open looks.

this is why i don't even bother mentioning DSJ on this board anymore, besides the BAF threads. too much people just look at the box scores and come to conclusions based off just that.

If we had taken DSJ, most of the same folks bashing him now would be worshipping him.

exactly

[blueNorange]

It's a Burke thread so this will be my last comment on DSJ (maybe ever), but FACT is, he is a point guard who is shooting 40% from the field, shooting at an alarming clip, while having an assist to turnover ratio of just over 1. I'm not saying he won't be good, but my god has he been overrated so far. I mean prior to his last game he had 5 assists in his first three games. 6 turnovers. A .83 assist to turnover ratio. He's a point guard. That's really, really, bad. We should want to finally rid ourselves of such types of players.

he's been hitting his team mates with open looks every single game. they just couldn't hit their shots. he's a pure PG, just like frank. he could've had 6+ assists in those games where he only had 3. just like how frank only had 3 in his first game, he could've easily had 5+. his defense has even been good too. i mean i know im not crazy cause mavs fans are saying the same things as well. he's been living right up to his expectations in my eyes. that one game where he shot like 30% is because he was out there with complete bums and was used as the first option on offense. they rested the whole starting lineup besides him. so stuff like that is gonna happen as a rookie.

i just don't see this ball dominant player that only looks to score. people who don't watch the games say that about him. hell he's even driving LESS to the rim to get his team mates open looks.

this is why i don't even bother mentioning DSJ on this board anymore, besides the BAF threads. too much people just look at the box scores and come to conclusions based off just that.

If we had taken DSJ, most of the same folks bashing him now would be worshipping him.

not me, 6 foot tall shooting guards never last in the nba(iverson was the exception) because there's so many of them.

[E-Balla]

DSJ such an Isiah Thomas pick omg

Isiah Thomas lottery pick? Oxymoron.

Nate Robinson, Frye, Lee, McGrady, Camby, sure he traded away too many picks but, lets not act like he didn't draft too

Nate was drafted by the Suns at 21, David Lee was drafted at 30, and Camby/McGrady were great picks. Let's be real here if that was meant as an insult Pooch screwed himself (pun intended) on that one.

[Garbagelo]

dsj is gonna be jonny flynn, even with the prepubescent boy shoulders.

LOL BnO

I thought you would have stopped making calls about young players since you messed up your Steph Curry call

[blueNorange]

dsj is gonna be jonny flynn, even with the prepubescent boy shoulders.

LOL BnO

I thought you would have stopped making calls about young players since you messed up your Steph Curry call

i admit my err, nobody thought curry would take his un-athletic skinny fat body and become a ripped tank.

[Fat]

he's been hitting his team mates with open looks every single game. they just couldn't hit their shots. he's a pure PG, just like frank. he could've had 6+ assists in those games where he only had 3. just like how frank only had 3 in his first game, he could've easily had 5+. his defense has even been good too. i mean i know im not crazy cause mavs fans are saying the same things as well. he's been living right up to his expectations in my eyes. that one game where he shot like 30% is because he was out there with complete bums and was used as the first option on offense. they rested the whole starting lineup besides him. so stuff like that is gonna happen as a rookie.

i just don't see this ball dominant player that only looks to score. people who don't watch the games say that about him. hell he's even driving LESS to the rim to get his team mates open looks.

this is why i don't even bother mentioning DSJ on this board anymore, besides the BAF threads. too much people just look at the box scores and come to conclusions based off just that.

If we had taken DSJ, most of the same folks bashing him now would be worshipping him.

exactly

im surprised you havent gone off the deep end about dsj yet i know you was a big supporter #respect.

[3toheadmelo]

If we had taken DSJ, most of the same folks bashing him now would be worshipping him.

exactly

im surprised you havent gone off the deep end about dsj yet i know you was a big supporter #respect.

BAF is where i get to embrace smith as if he was my own so now i get to root for smith and frank at the same time hehe

[robillionaire]

If we took DSJ the same people hating on him now would be worshipping him and the same people worshipping him now would be hating on him. Haters gonna hate and homers gonna homer. Reality doesn't matter that much

[sushibear]

If we took DSJ the same people hating on him now would be worshipping him and the same people worshipping him now would be hating on him. Haters gonna hate and homers gonna homer. Reality doesn't matter that much

Nah. Wasn't a fan of him from the beginning. Dude is skilled but is he marbury skilled? We need winners

[Kampuchea]

Trey Burke? FFS, we need to move on from Perry.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Trey Burke? FFS, we need to move on from Perry.

What exactly is wrong with this signing? Please, enlighten us. I know you've been anti-Knicks for a while, but there are actually no downsides to this deal.

[Fat]

If we took DSJ the same people hating on him now would be worshipping him and the same people worshipping him now would be hating on him. Haters gonna hate and homers gonna homer. Reality doesn't matter that much

i personally give all rookies at least a 3 year window before i really judge or begin to judge on a serious note. Frank could start off slow and look like the better player later or dsj could keep his feet on the pedal while frank looks average or they both might be really good players.. who knows but judging off a rookie season let alone pre-season is silly.

i already seen the frank/dsj stuff coming because frank is raw and dsj was already the better player its not shocking to see he looks better right now.

im still a firm believer frank is the better prospect down the line with more upside but we shall see.

[moocow007]

Isiah Thomas lottery pick? Oxymoron.

Nate Robinson, Frye, Lee, McGrady, Camby, sure he traded away too many picks but, lets not act like he didn't draft too

Nate was drafted by the Suns at 21, David Lee was drafted at 30, and Camby/McGrady were great picks. Let's be real here if that was meant as an insult Pooch screwed himself (pun intended) on that one.

Especially TMac. TMac was a steal in one of the thinnest drafts in NBA history. Other than Tim Duncan (who was about as obvious a choice as you can get) going 1st, the only other player besides Duncan and McGrady (who was taken 9th overall) that reached any sort of star level was Chauncey Billups (3rd overall).

The rest? LOL...talk about just an absolutely BRUTAL draft. Adonal "Tin" Foyle 8th overall. Yikes. Here's the rest of the lottery picks:

2 Keith Van Horn PF United States Philadelphia 76ers Utah (Sr.)
4 Antonio Daniels PG United States Vancouver Grizzlies Bowling Green (Sr.)
5 Tony Battie C/F United States Denver Nuggets Texas Tech (Jr.)
6 Ron Mercer SF United States Boston Celtics (from Dallas) Kentucky (So.)
7 Tim Thomas SF United States New Jersey Nets Villanova (Fr.)
8 Adonal Foyle C Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Golden State Warriors Colgate (Jr.)
10 Danny Fortson PF United States Milwaukee Bucks Cincinnati (Jr.)
11 Tariq Abdul-Wahad SF France Sacramento Kings San Jose State (Sr.)
12 Austin Croshere PF United States Indiana Pacers Providence (Sr.)
13 Derek Anderson SG United States Cleveland Cavaliers Kentucky (Sr.)
14 Maurice Taylor PF United States Los Angeles Clippers Michigan (Jr.)

Talk about ugly as frick LOL. When Danny Fortson is the guy with the highest PER in the group, you know you're in trouble.

And it's not like there were any other gems in this draft. The only "steal" would be Captain Jack (Stephen Jackson) in the 2nd round. Brevin Knight (16th overall) and Bobby Jackson (23rd overall) were about the only other guys of any significant merit in this entire draft.

Robinson was also a terrific pick at 21, just as David Lee was a terrific pick at 30. Both these guys (especially Lee) I had mentioned before the draft as possible sleepers. Why? Because they showed that they have a specific thing (or things) they do that is NBA caliber. Doesn't mean they are going to be stars, but means it's highly likely that they'll find minutes in the NBA. Gotta have NBA level talent in something to be able to play in the NBA. More likely for a guy that is bad at things and great at things to find a role than a guy that is good at a lot but not great at anything.

[reub]

This was from Burke's 2013 DraftExpress scouting report:

"The engine behind the #1 offense in college basketball, Burke was arguably the best pick and roll point guard in the NCAA this season, able to put incredible pressure on the defense thanks to the tremendous balance he brings between scoring and facilitating for others. The fact that he can make shots from anywhere on the floor, find the open man instantaneously, or get to the rim makes him extremely difficult to game-plan against. A highly creative passer, Burke can make plays for teammates in a number of ways, using lobs, bounce passes, kick-outs or dump-offs to find the open man confidently in the half-court or in transition. He sees the floor well, and is not predictable at all with the way he decides to attack the defense on any given possession, thanks to his tremendous versatility. A fantastic ball-handler with the ability to create offense with either hand and also change speeds at will, Burke has terrific timing and patience in the half-court, not being afraid to use his body to seek out contact in the lane or put a defender on his hip in the mid-range area to create an advantage. He is an expert at stopping and using an extra dribble or two to force the defense to react, and then subsequently reading what happens, either finding the open man or pulling up off the dribble himself. His maturity as a playmaker came a long way this season, as he did a great job cutting down on turnovers this season, coughing the ball up on just 13% of his possessions, second best among DX Top-100 ranked point guards...All things considered, it's difficult not to consider Burke the best point guard in this year's draft class when evaluating how much of a complete package he brings to the table offensively. Athletic, intelligent, competitive point guards who can create, distribute and score are incredibly rare and coveted assets, and despite his defensive limitations he should have no issues carving out a long career as a NBA starter, as long as he's able to stay healthy. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trey-Burke-36200/ ©DraftExpress - Source:

It gives me hope.

[moocow007]

This was from Burke's 2013 DraftExpress scouting report:

"The engine behind the #1 offense in college basketball, Burke was arguably the best pick and roll point guard in the NCAA this season, able to put incredible pressure on the defense thanks to the tremendous balance he brings between scoring and facilitating for others. The fact that he can make shots from anywhere on the floor, find the open man instantaneously, or get to the rim makes him extremely difficult to game-plan against. A highly creative passer, Burke can make plays for teammates in a number of ways, using lobs, bounce passes, kick-outs or dump-offs to find the open man confidently in the half-court or in transition. He sees the floor well, and is not predictable at all with the way he decides to attack the defense on any given possession, thanks to his tremendous versatility. A fantastic ball-handler with the ability to create offense with either hand and also change speeds at will, Burke has terrific timing and patience in the half-court, not being afraid to use his body to seek out contact in the lane or put a defender on his hip in the mid-range area to create an advantage. He is an expert at stopping and using an extra dribble or two to force the defense to react, and then subsequently reading what happens, either finding the open man or pulling up off the dribble himself. His maturity as a playmaker came a long way this season, as he did a great job cutting down on turnovers this season, coughing the ball up on just 13% of his possessions, second best among DX Top-100 ranked point guards...All things considered, it's difficult not to consider Burke the best point guard in this year's draft class when evaluating how much of a complete package he brings to the table offensively. Athletic, intelligent, competitive point guards who can create, distribute and score are incredibly rare and coveted assets, and despite his defensive limitations he should have no issues carving out a long career as a NBA starter, as long as he's able to stay healthy. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trey-Burke-36200/ ©DraftExpress - Source:

It gives me hope.

Problem is the only parts of that scouting report that turned out to be accurate are the highlighted ones. He's still young, so sure. But honestly, I watched enough Michigan games and I don't agree with a lot of the above. And it's not just hindsight. I said the same before the draft when others were hyping him. He doesn't do anything well enough at the NBA level to be a lead guard. College level good doesn't equal NBA level good. Now, doesn't mean he sucks or can't play in the NBA, but just not near as good as he was pegged to be by some folk (like the above scout). John Beilein (head coach at Michigan) did a great job maximizing Burke's strengths and hiding his weaknesses (some of which were actually on the offensive end and specifically with his ability to create and facilitate as the above scouting report believes). Same thing he's done and still doing with almost all his players (Tim Hardaway Jr, Glenn Robinson III, Mitch McGary, Nik Stauskas, Caris Levert, etc.). It's why he's such a great and successful coach.

[Kampuchea]

Trey Burke? FFS, we need to move on from Perry.

What exactly is wrong with this signing? Please, enlighten us. I know you've been anti-Knicks for a while, but there are actually no downsides to this deal.

I'm a Knicks fan, unsure as to why you insinuate otherwise.

Burke proved he's worse than Jennings, what exactly is RIGHT with this signing?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Trey Burke? FFS, we need to move on from Perry.

What exactly is wrong with this signing? Please, enlighten us. I know you've been anti-Knicks for a while, but there are actually no downsides to this deal.

I'm a Knicks fan, unsure as to why you insinuate otherwise.

Burke proved he's worse than Jennings, what exactly is RIGHT with this signing?

Right, a Knicks fan.

Well...he's better than Sessions and Jack and we can cut him easily if it doesn't work out with no long-term cap-hits. Tell me, what exactly is wrong with this signing?

[MaseInYourFace]

Nate Robinson wasn't that good as a Knick. It's time to correct history there now that's it's been a few years. He played his best basketball in Chicago.

[thebuzzardman]

What exactly is wrong with this signing? Please, enlighten us. I know you've been anti-Knicks for a while, but there are actually no downsides to this deal.

I'm a Knicks fan, unsure as to why you insinuate otherwise.

Burke proved he's worse than Jennings, what exactly is RIGHT with this signing?

Right, a Knicks fan.

Well...he's better than Sessions and Jack and we can cut him easily if it doesn't work out with no long-term cap-hits. Tell me, what exactly is wrong with this signing?

It's like when people b*tch about the Beasley signing. As if somewhat talented players are just laying around for the Knicks to swoop up. Beas was worth a shot, he'll score and there is only a 1 year commitment. Actually, it's why I didn't mind the Sessions signing either.

What's the deal with Sessions - is his money guaranteed no matter what?

[Isiahthomass]

Hey don't get me wrong. I would love Frank to succeed. I guess I'm saying this as someone who views this franchise as just being snake-bitten and is disappointed with our continued bad luck. I do feel like DSJ would have been the better pick though.

Not entirely sure the bolded is true

Of course it is true. I am a Knicks fan. Anything that helps the team. All I know is what I've seen thus far, and our history is not on our side.